Industry focus on sub ohm only?

[Banana Vap70]

I have been searching for a new tank and it seems that most of the new stuff is focused mostly on sub ohm and I read things here and there, but don't really understand enough to be comfortable getting either the Kanger Sub Tank Nano or the Aspire Nautilus Mini because the of the ohms on the coils. I have mostly used CF4 or something similar that run 2.2 to 2.7 ohms and are top coil tanks, a Protank II mini with 2.5 ohm coils (which I wasn't a huge fan of because I felt it either had a muted taste or a burnt taste) and most recently using cartotanks with carto's that are 3.0 ohm. I guess I gravitated to the higher ohm because from what I read the lower ohms meant a harsher TH and less options for the volts or watts used.

So my first question is about the harsher TH, do lower ohms = stronger TH?

Second question is about the ohm/voltage/wattage, I have looked at the chart and does lower ohms = less voltage wattage options?

I have one juice the maker recommends at least 4.0 volts and it does't taste the same at any other volts, if I was using a 1.5 or 1.8 ohm coil then could I not even vape that juice?

Thoughts, opinions, suggestions?

 

[Niten13]

Most of the new tank are coming with .5 ohm coils but also 1.2-1.5 ohm coils. So that way they can be fired on most devices lower ohms CAN provide more vapor but the TH is more dependent on juice PG/VG ratio than coils. The Aspire Nautilus can be a good starter for lower ohms as its not SUB ohm. The Atlantis and Subtank come with both Sub and above 1 ohm coils.
The Nautilus would be a great way for your to step down on coils if you wanted too and yes you can absolutely vape any juice with any coil. Most of us just follow Wattage or Voltage to taste because it depends on what the juice is in. Different coils have different wicking capabilities and can handle different levels of power.
I can put my frenilla in the subtank with a 1 ohm coil and vape it at 22 watts, its a great vape, I can have the same juice in my Silverplay and vape it at 38 watts with now burning or dry hits.
Its all to taste, fill er up and dial the voltage down, turn up until it tastes good, if it gets dry or burnt turn it down a bit

 

[Banana Vap70]

Thanks Niten - I do prefer a higher VG ratio, 70VG for me is almost too low, because I really do just want a bit of a TH, but I do want some flavor and I'm certainly not opposed to higher vapor, so I was really worried and somewhat confused about how the coil ohm played into that. I know the juice plays a huge part with the TH and kept thinking to myself if the coils ohm play into that as well, then you would have an endless array possibilities.

I almost pulled the trigger on the Nautilus last week, but backed off because of the coil. I guess it's not really sub ohm until it drops below 1.0 (?) so the 1.5 & 1.8 would just be considered low ohm.

Does seem the industry is moving in that direction, most of the newer stuff heading that way, so I might as well figure it out and get on board, or get left behind.

 

[e-pipeman]

Why not try a Nautilus Mini with 1.8 ohm bvc coils? Not harsh at all imho - and vapes like a champ!

 

[Niten13]

Yes Sub Ohm is below 1 ohm, although some of my fav vapes are between .7-1.2 ohm the difference is more in the wicking. The Atlantis, Subtank, and Delta II can probably handle your high VG but really only RTA's like the Silverplay, UD Goblin are made with large juice channels to suck up that thick VG liquid. There are a few others like the LEMO I think that have the nice option for Single coils, easier to build a higher ohm and can wick well enough for high VG.

 

[Banana Vap70]

So progression wise it seems like the Nautilus is the way to go for now, I did notice that the Subtank and Delta II have a minimum requirement for the wattage setting on your mod, so that is something to consider as well as I had not actually thought about that, even though I did already know that. Then progress on to the the RTA. Keeping up with the vaping world is almost a full time job. LOL

Thinking I will start with the Nautilus, upgrade my mod and then proceed from there.

Thank you for today lesson in vaping.

 

[Nibs91]

I agree, it does seem like the industry is now focused on rebuildables, with all the new dual performing tanks coming out. I know many here and anywhere vaping comes up will recommend getting into RTAs and such. I honestly don't have much interest though. I hope something improved comes out soon. I like my Nautilus Mini but 1. I need more juice capacity and 2. the coils seem to be a hit and miss.

 

[Niten13]

No problem! If you are looking into RTA in the near future you can look at the Delta or Subtank mini, that way when you are ready you can switch to the RBA deck. Also with both of those tanks if you are building you can adjust your build and remove the deck without emptying the tank.
The delta 2 looks a little more versatile than the ST mini but I have not had the chance to pick one up yet. I have the full size subtank and build my own coils in both the RBA and stock coil heads. Personally never sought out the Nautilus, maybe go to a nearby B&M and see if you can test the draw on all 3 of them. That way you can get a good feel for the airflow for each tank and the size/capacity.

 

[Niten13]

I agree, it does seem like the industry is now focused on rebuildables, with all the new dual performing tanks coming out. I know many here and anywhere vaping comes up will recommend getting into RTAs and such. I honestly don't have much interest though. I hope something improved comes out soon. I like my Nautilus Mini but 1. I need more juice capacity and 2. the coils seem to be a hit and miss.

This says is all, Coils are always going to be hit and miss, and they cost an arm and a leg. Rebuilding is not difficult and its very affordable, not pressuring anyone here. It is always up to you when you want to take the plunge. I can say that my vaping experience improved dramatically with rebuilding on RDA's first and then moved to RTA. After a while you get to know your Kanthal, Cotton amounts like the back of your hand. I can wick and build a coil in the Subtank stock head at 1.2 ohms and wicked in about 10 mins.

Rebuildings major plus is pure customization based on the users preferance.
For example my Fav build is stovetop coils on my RDAs

 

[Banana Vap70]

I agree, it does seem like the industry is now focused on rebuildables, with all the new dual performing tanks coming out. I know many here and anywhere vaping comes up will recommend getting into RTAs and such. I honestly don't have much interest though. I hope something improved comes out soon. I like my Nautilus Mini but 1. I need more juice capacity and 2. the coils seem to be a hit and miss.

So you are using the BDC coils? Ever try the BVC coils?

 

[Banana Vap70]

No problem! If you are looking into RTA in the near future you can look at the Delta or Subtank mini, that way when you are ready you can switch to the RBA deck. Also with both of those tanks if you are building you can adjust your build and remove the deck without emptying the tank.
The delta 2 looks a little more versatile than the ST mini but I have not had the chance to pick one up yet. I have the full size subtank and build my own coils in both the RBA and stock coil heads. Personally never sought out the Nautilus, maybe go to a nearby B&M and see if you can test the draw on all 3 of them. That way you can get a good feel for the airflow for each tank and the size/capacity.

That is what I was thinking. The Delta II makes it seem like a pretty natural progression, where you can use the fill and vape while playing around with the RTA aspect of it. I wish I cared more for my local B&M. Last time I went in there as a super newbie, they were going to send me out the door with a $300.00 + set up with an RBA, he said he would build my 1st coil for free. Maybe in hind sight I should have gone that route, maybe would be so far behind the times now. LOL

Anyone ever ordered from 101 Vape? They have a Mini Nautilus for $23.99, but they are out of the coils. Hoosier has them for $27.99 and they have the coils and I have ordered from them before. The $4.00 difference doesn't seem like much, but if I get two, then the difference is 3 or 4 coils I could buy. I guess the fact that 101 Vapes lists it as Genuine makes me wonder why they feel they have to list as genuine, do they also sell knock offs?

 

[e-pipeman]

Just get one Nautilus Mini to start with (as long as you have an adv). Get more coils instead - but BOY - these ones last. In my experience you discard them before they pop - which in my case is about the 3.5 week mark (they get a bit wimpy then). Exceptional value and vape - which is nice.

 

[Banana Vap70]

Just get one Nautilus Mini to start with (as long as you have an adv). Get more coils instead - but BOY - these ones last. In my experience you discard them before they pop - which in my case is about the 3.5 week mark (they get a bit wimpy then). Exceptional value and vape - which is nice.

Two vaper household is why I would be getting two, worst case scenario would be that neither of us cared for them, best case either we both love them or at least one of us do, so the possibility of flushed money is reduced some because of that. I didn't care for the protank II, he liked it more then then either the CF4 or cartotank.

 

[e-pipeman]

Two vaper household is why I would be getting two, worst case scenario would be that neither of us cared for them, best case either we both love them or at least one of us do, so the possibility of flushed money is reduced some because of that. I didn't care for the protank II, he liked it more then then either the CF4 or cartotank.

Get one. If you like it, get another. Both have a go with it. I think you'll like it!

 

[Croak]

Just get one Nautilus Mini to start with (as long as you have an adv). Get more coils instead - but BOY - these ones last. In my experience you discard them before they pop - which in my case is about the 3.5 week mark (they get a bit wimpy then). Exceptional value and vape - which is nice.

And if you want to get into rebuilding, there is no easier "throw away" head to rebuild or just simply re-wick than the Kanger OCC heads that come with the Subtanks. And FYI, all of the "sub-ohm" tanks (Atlantis/Subtank/Delta II) handle max VG just fine.

And thanks to the beefy coils and need for good, high-flow wicking all those sub-ohm tanks seem to have a lot more coil head lifespan than previous clearos. I'd burn through Aspire BVC heads on my full size and mini Nautilus tanks about three times as fast as I do with the Atlantis or Subtank. I can count on at least a week out of the sub-heads vaping sticky max VG desert juices that would rape a Nautilus coil in as little as a day.

But even with the 1.2 ohm Subtank Mini heads, you'll want a mod that puts out at least 15w, so there's probably an extra expense for you coming from C(rap)E4 style clearos.

And Banana, the Nautilus Mini came with the BVC coils, that's the first tank Aspire used them on.

Personally, I'd recommend you skip the Nautilus, get a Subtank Mini and a solid and cheap 30w mod like an iStick 30w, try both resistance heads, the 0.5 at over 20w, and the 1.2 between 15-20w, at the various airflow settings to see what you like before ordering replacement heads. And wick the RBA with the Kanger-supplied cotton, see how you like that compared to the pre-built heads, you may find that you don't ever need to buy pre-built heads again, $10 worth of Kanthal and cotton for rebuilding could last you years.

 

[Niten13]

That is what I was thinking. The Delta II makes it seem like a pretty natural progression, where you can use the fill and vape while playing around with the RTA aspect of it. I wish I cared more for my local B&M. Last time I went in there as a super newbie, they were going to send me out the door with a $300.00 + set up with an RBA, he said he would build my 1st coil for free. Maybe in hind sight I should have gone that route, maybe would be so far behind the times now. LOL

Anyone ever ordered from 101 Vape? They have a Mini Nautilus for $23.99, but they are out of the coils. Hoosier has them for $27.99 and they have the coils and I have ordered from them before. The $4.00 difference doesn't seem like much, but if I get two, then the difference is 3 or 4 coils I could buy. I guess the fact that 101 Vapes lists it as Genuine makes me wonder why they feel they have to list as genuine, do they also sell knock offs?

Be happy that you did not walk out with that set up, I would never advise a first set up to be Rebuildable . Just go at a rate your comfortable with!

 

[Banana Vap70]

And if you want to get into rebuilding, there is no easier "throw away" head to rebuild or just simply re-wick than the Kanger OCC heads that come with the Subtanks. And FYI, all of the "sub-ohm" tanks (Atlantis/Subtank/Delta II) handle max VG just fine.

And thanks to the beefy coils and need for good, high-flow wicking all those sub-ohm tanks seem to have a lot more coil head lifespan than previous clearos. I'd burn through Aspire BVC heads on my full size and mini Nautilus tanks about three times as fast as I do with the Atlantis or Subtank. I can count on at least a week out of the sub-heads vaping sticky max VG desert juices that would rape a Nautilus coil in as little as a day.

But even with the 1.2 ohm Subtank Mini heads, you'll want a mod that puts out at least 15w, so there's probably an extra expense for you coming from C(rap)E4 style clearos.

And Banana, the Nautilus Mini came with the BVC coils, that's the first tank Aspire used them on.

That is what it sounded like Niten thought as well as far as the Protank goes. My current max is 11w so yes an upgrade would be in order and I've already started looking around and researching I think the Protank said 20w min and the Delta said 30w min. or possibly reversed, I'm not looking at it right now.

Seems like were going to get dragged kicking and screaming into the future if we like it or not which is okay as it seem the technology is much like computers always in R & D looking for the next best experience and that's okay too. If I had the extra $$ now, I'd just plunge in head first and figure it all out later, that's what I did when I went out and bought my first ego, I didn't have a clue about any of it, just knew that vaping was the future and the way I wanted to go. Onward and upward I suppose.

I am going to try the Nautilus for now and hope I don't end up spending more for coils then just upgrading would have cost, will probably have to watch my juice for a while until I can upgrade and move into the Protank or Delta. There are so many mixed reviews on the BVC coils and so much of it seems juice related, so for now, I'll try to stick with a coil friendly juice. It would be nice not to have to worry so much about that and just customize based on what I want to vape.

 

[Banana Vap70]

Be happy that you did not walk out with that set up, I would never advise a first set up to be Rebuildable . Just go at a rate your comfortable with!

The only reason that I knew better then to do that was the forum here. Had I not already joined the forum and started reading up a little, most didn't make much sense at first, but was clear enough for me to understand that a RBA wasn't for beginners that had only used cigalike and an ego for a few weeks.