Innokin Proton Scion.

[William Dennis]

Hi All. I’m new to this but here we go.
Just had an Innokin Proton Scion delivered and have two problems with it.
1. The tank is getting very HOT both at the base and the mouthpiece ends where the metal is. So hot that it could burn my lips ..!
2. The unit keeps turning itself off when I put it down. There must be a problem with the battery compartment which could be causing the Very Hot issue also.
I am running unit at 450F and 72 Watts so shouldn’t be a problem there.
You Guys got any suggestions other than “return the item”?

 

[hittman]

I don't have that set up but have a different device that I run at 450 and 75 watts and the tip and tank gets hot after maybe 8-10 times but not hot enough to burn. Are you sure you have the right batteries to handle that output? When you say the proton is shutting off, do you mean it's turning off the display and going into standby or do you have to actually turn it back on each time you pick it up? One thing I could think of is to make sure the center pin on the 510 connector is tight and maybe make sure the coil is tight.

 

[William Dennis]

Thanks Hitman. Yea I’m using 18650 batteries as recommended. The point about the coil being in correctly I haven’t checked so I’ll do that and let you know ... Cheers.

 

[bombastinator]

Thanks Hitman. Yea I’m using 18650 batteries as recommended. The point about the coil being in correctly I haven’t checked so I’ll do that and let you know ... Cheers.

The make and model make a difference. EXACTLY what batteries? 18650 is just a size classification. It has nothing to do with chemistry or capacity

 

[William Dennis]

Hi Bombastinator. The batteries being used are 2 x Efest 18650 3000 mAh 35 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Batteries. Does this help?

 

[bwh79]

I am running unit at 450F and 72 Watts

Scion coils are Kanthal, I thought. What tank and coils are you using, that you've got it in TC mode?

 

[William Dennis]

Hi BWH79. It’s got ...

• 1x Scion II Tank (0.36ohm pre-installed)
• 1x Plexus Coil 0.15ohm

 

[Myk]

Proton kit with Scion II or Proton mod with an original Scion?
I don't know the original Scion. The Scion II is a plastic drip tip, it's not conducting heat to burn your lips.

What coil are you using?
You say temperature but I don't know of any temperature control coils for the Scion I/II. The Proton kit sure doesn't come with them.
I'm pretty sure the Proton doesn't kick you out of TC for using non-TC coils. So if you have kathal coils in temperature control and set to 450°F I'm amazed you're not complaining about very burnt hits.
Even if you are using a TC coil 450°F is quite hot if the coil is calibrated right and it's a stubby little tank so that will be a hot (if not burnt vape).

Assuming you have the Proton kit, take it out of temperature control.
Click the joystick 3 times, click on coil, go to wattage, click on it. Hold the joystick up until the wattage flashes. If you are using the Plexus coil set it to 60w. If you are using the quad coil set it to 80w.

 

[bombastinator]

Hi Bombastinator. The batteries being used are 2 x Efest 18650 3000 mAh 35 A IMR High Drain Flat Top Batteries. Does this help?

Yep.thatis what was needed. Your batteries are rewraps and are over rated. There are only a few companies that actually produce batteries(thefactoryneeded is immense) and fest isn’t one of them. They’re a paper caompany that buys second quality batteries from the manufacturers, “rewrap” them with their own logo and updated specs (yes, that is colloquially known as “flat out lying”) and resells them. I know they’re over rated because there is literally no battery on earthmade that has specs that good.

I suggest reading Mooch's blog | E-Cigarette Forum for the details. It is possible he may have the real rating of yourbatteries listed

 

[bwh79]

Hi BWH79. It’s got ...

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  • 1x Scion II Tank (0.36ohm pre-installed)
  • 1x Plexus Coil 0.15ohm

Those are Kanthal material. They are for wattage mode only, not meant for TC (temperature-control) mode. TC can only be used with Stainless Steel alloy, pure Titanium, or pure Nickel coil materials. SS can be used either in wattage or temperature mode, the other two are for TC only. Kanthal and Nichrome should only ever be used in wattage mode.

 

[William Dennis]

Hey Myk, you mention to take my Proton out of “temperature control” - Sorry but how do I do this?
Many thanks for your help Mate.

 

[Myk]

Hey Myk, you mention to take my Proton out of “temperature control” - Sorry but how do I do this?
Many thanks for your help Mate.

Click the joystick 3 times,
Click on coil (a 4th click in that same position),
go to wattage (down 1), click on it.
Hold the joystick up until the wattage flashes. Left or right to adjust.
If you are using the Plexus coil set it to 60w (or maybe even 50w, you might like it low). If you are using the quad coil set it to 80w (again, maybe 10w lower).

If your setting is too low or high for your tastes you can adjust it up (slowly, I suggest no more than 5w at a time)

 

[William Dennis]

Myk got it. Great and Many thanks.
BTW I’ve decided to return the Proton Scion due to it getting very hot. I decided to replace it with the GeekVape Aegis (200W). Do you think it’s a good move or not?
Many thanks.

 

[Myk]

Myk got it. Great and Many thanks.
BTW I’ve decided to return the Proton Scion due to it getting very hot. I decided to replace it with the GeekVape Aegis (200W). Do you think it’s a good move or not?
Many thanks.

It's probably getting hot because you had it in the wrong mode. My Scion II doesn't get hot running SS coils in temperature control even when I was using it on my Proton and/or trying the Plexus coil in wattage.
When temperature control sees an ohm reading it expects it to change with power. When it doesn't it keeps on pumping power. That's going to get hot.

How is it doing in wattage mode?

You never were clear on whether it is powering down requiring 3 clicks to turn back on or the screen was shutting off. If it is shutting down requiring 3 clicks to turn it on when you're using the right mode for the right coils that would be a good reason to return it.

I have both Proton and Legend (which is what I assume you mean because the non-Legend Aegis is 100w, the Legend is 200w) are good 2 battery mods. The Proton seems to have better battery life.
If you mean the Aegis Legend kit the Aero Mesh tank will probably be hot if you run the wrong coils in temperature mode too. If the Scion II is just a hot vape even in wattage mode and you were exaggerating I don't see the Aero Mesh being any different from the looks of it. Other than that I don't know anything about the tank, I don't know if it has temperature control coils available either.

The Legend mod seems to be good to me.
I don't know if the Legend will kick you out of TC for having the wrong coils and I'm not changing mine to find out until I have to rewick.

 

[hittman]

I didn't know which coils came with the proton and scion 2 kit. That does make sense if they are kanthal. The Aegis legend kit comes with a kanthal mesh coil and an Ni80 quad coil.

 

[bwh79]

BTW I’ve decided to return the Proton Scion due to it getting very hot. I decided to replace it with the GeekVape Aegis (200W). Do you think it’s a good move or not?

Before you do anything drastic like that, I'd try using the one you've got in the proper (wattage) mode for a while, and see if you like it any better that way. I have both, and the tank that comes with the Aegis Legend kit, and coils that go in it, are very similar to the Scion II in your Proton kit. They do get pretty warm, but so will anything when you're dumping that much energy into it in such a short amount of time. The only real solution is to vape at lower power levels, but these big-ol' coils aren't really meant for low-power applications and so they won't perform very well if you just drop the wattage to lower levels.

The Proton is just a power-delivery device. You can set it low, or you can set it high, but how that affects the vape experience really depends on what kind of tank or atomizer you stick on top of it. The device itself works just as well at low power as it does at high power (it goes down to...5 or 6 watts? I can't remember which, and mine has no batteries in at the moment), and I don't think exchanging it for another kit with a similar-- and similarly-disappointing -- tank will serve you very well. Maybe just a different tank would be best. Someone's offering up a Joyetech Cubis tank for free in the PIF Group Treasure Chest thread right now: PIF Group Treasure Chest- USA - Please read first post for rules and guidelines

 

[William Dennis]

Hi Myk and thanks but sorry I don’t know what you mean by “When temperature control sees an ohm reading it expects it to change with power. When it doesn't it keeps on pumping power. That's going to get hot.” - I’m pretty new to vaping so please bear with me.
Basically I’m running SS mode and have Wattage down to 50 Watts now and Temp down to 425F and the damn tank is still Red Hot. I’m starting to lose the will with it.
Cheers Buddy.

 

[Myk]

STOP RUNNING IN TEMPERATURE CONTROL!
STOP RUNNING IN TEMPERATURE CONTROL!
STOP RUNNING IN TEMPERATURE CONTROL!
STOP RUNNING IN TEMPERATURE CONTROL!

 

[Myk]

The way temperature control works is it looks for resistance changes in the wire as it heats. Certain wire materials change at a very predictable rate so that rate can be used to predict the temperature.

Kanthal is NOT one of those wire materials. Kanthal has very stable resistance at all temperatures.

So you have a kanthal coil set to .15Ω the mod thinks should be something like .20Ω to be the temperature you are asking for because you're telling the mod it's a stainless steel coil.
The coil gets power and stays at .15Ω, it gets more power, stays at .15Ω. As far as the mod knows you are vaping in the Arctic with -30°F air blowing across the coil and it's trying to help you.

What you have is not a mod problem, it's a user input problem. Every other mod will be just as bad running kathal in SS temperature control.

The coils you are using are for Wattage mode ONLY.

 

[bwh79]

Basically I’m running SS mode and have Wattage down to 50 Watts now and Temp down to 425F and the damn tank is still Red Hot.

“Stop doing that.”
“You’re doing it wrong.”
“It’s not me, it’s you.”

How many different ways can we say it? You’re running SS mode with a Kanthal coil. That’s the problem. You’re using the wrong mode for what you have. That’s why it isn’t working right. Stop doing that. Either get a different tank with a SS coil material, or switch to wattage mode with the Kanthal mesh coils you have now. SS mode is for SS coils. Don’t try to use Kanthal coils in SS mode. It won’t work right, and you won’t have a pleasant experience. But you already know that.