Innokin TC.... Has Arrived.

[Eric Auer]

From FB:

We proudly introduce the new Disrupter°TC, the newly styled curved InnokinCell and the new ATC-Atlas innokin Advanced Temperature Control System!

The new innokin ATC System uses a revolutionary new temperature control technology which is very easy to use and accurately maintains the set temperature within 5° for as long as you vape! No Dry Hits, No Burning and No Limits! This new Innokin ATC System can use Kanthal and other standard coil wire types and is totally different from current temperature control technologies.
We want to hear what you think and we want you to have a chance to win! We will be running Giveaways here on our Facebook page as well as in person at ECC2015 throughout the weekend! Check back here soon for your chance to win!
Drop by the Innokin booth in building 9 Booth [HASHTAG]#1414[/HASHTAG] and say Hi to George, Mike and the team and try out the new Disrupter°TC, ATC-Atlas and the new iSub-Apex for yourself!
Have a great day and Good Luck! See you soon!

 

[Darkly spectr]

Some more details.

It will use it's own type of connector. it does not have a 510 connector. they did this because of the TC system they use. From what I have seen in their videos on youtube. the tank made for this mod uses an actual temperature sensor sitting on top of the coils. so the mod needs to get actual reading from a temperature sensor. As far as I know a 510 can't send that type of signal to a mod.

So essentially buy this thing and you want to use TC you have to use THEIR atty. don't know if the ATC is rebuildable or just a pre-build coil atty.

Apparently they are thinking of selling/including a "whatever the new connector is called" to 510 connector for normal devices. Only for wattage mode. it will not do TC with the connector.

 

[AndriaD]

Some more details.

It will use it's own type of connector. it does not have a 510 connector. they did this because of the TC system they use. From what I have seen in their videos on youtube. the tank made for this mod uses an actual temperature sensor sitting on top of the coils. so the mod needs to get actual reading from a temperature sensor. As far as I know a 510 can't send that type of signal to a mod.

So essentially buy this thing and you want to use TC you have to use THEIR atty. don't know if the ATC is rebuildable or just a pre-build coil atty.

Apparently they are thinking of selling/including a "whatever the new connector is called" to 510 connector for normal devices. Only for wattage mode. it will not do TC with the connector.

So apparently those of us who don't use tanks, and build our own coils, are SOL with this. Bummer.

Andria

 

[Eric Auer]

Some people have been complaining about the 510 for years, So It's refreshing to see a new take on things.

Innokin is taking a risk here, but if it is a hassle free TC solution they will sell a lot of them to people that like a one tank+mod setup day in and day out.
And majority of Vapers do.

It doesn't render anything obsolete, It just adds something new. All the 510 gear will still work with 510 gear.

The Glass Is Half Full...........

And I think a bunch of Enthusiasts will grab some too out of curiosity.

Eric

 

[awsum140]

I would guess that Innokin will make replacement heads for this tank as well as offer a rebuildable deck for it. I'll wait for a while to see how it "plays" before getting on a proprietary bandwagon. On the other hand, true temperature sensing makes a lot more sense than interpolating temperature based on resistance. (Yeah I know temperature sensors work the same way, but at least there's some baseline calibration going on, hopefully)

 

[Darkly spectr]

So apparently those of us who don't use tanks, and build our own coils, are SOL with this. Bummer.

Andria

Innokin has ALWAYS been about beginner vapers and not super enthusiast vapers. always have been. this is nothing new. BUT



this video makes that tank he is using SEEMS like a rebuildable since he uses several types of wires in it.

Also on the reddit post paul was mentioning innokin looking into drippers and generally rebuildables. he also mentioned earlier that innokin is willing to partner with other companies to make tanks,drippers and such using the technology. I mean in the end it's just a different connector and a Temperature sensor bridge. big companies like aspire and kanger can easily make an atty that works with it. drippers can maybe get something like a bridge you can screw on through the posts(where you put the coil under the bridge).

But we really don't know enough to exactly know HOW the system works.

judging from the video it does work though.

 

[AndriaD]

Innokin has ALWAYS been about beginner vapers and not super enthusiast vapers. always have been. this is nothing new. BUT



this video makes that tank he is using SEEMS like a rebuildable since he uses several types of wires in it.

Also on the reddit post paul was mentioning innokin looking into drippers and generally rebuildables. he also mentioned earlier that innokin is willing to partner with other companies to make tanks,drippers and such using the technology. I mean in the end it's just a different connector and a Temperature sensor bridge. big companies like aspire and kanger can easily make an atty that works with it. drippers can maybe get something like a bridge you can screw on through the posts(where you put the coil under the bridge).

But we really don't know enough to exactly know HOW the system works.

judging from the video it does work though.

Sounds like it has possibilities, for the future. I've loved every Innokin product I've bought so far, so I'll just wait and see how it develops. I just can't see going back to either tanks, or replacement-coils.

Andria

 

[nebulis]

I don't mind the prorpetary that much, if it is good. But ... does it also have to be ugly?

Or let's say, aesthetically challenging?

 

[Eric Auer]

I don't mind the prorpetary that much, if it is good. But ... does it also have to be ugly?

Or let's say, aesthetically challenging?

Well, It's a Box......

Eric

 

[nebulis]

Well, It's a Box......

Eric

Innokin is known for innovative, classy or at least innovative design ... this is as if their designer had quitted the job prematurely.

But enough of it, the technology behind it is no doubt more interesting. I was just flabbergasted for a moment.

 

[awsum140]

They had a winner with the VTR. It would be nice to see the same style with TC but I'm a BIG VTR fan.

I was hoping to get a real look at the atomizer connector and build area, but not such luck. Time will reveal it all.

 

[Capt.shay]

Innokin is known for innovative, classy or at least innovative design ...

Yea, like the Coolfire 2?

 

[Akuma888]

Maybe they will built a temperature sensor adaptor for 510 connector, then perhaps I might be interested in buying.

 

[Carnage9270]

Cause adding more resistance/connections to a device has always turned out well in the temperature game.

 

[Rizzyking]

So they launch the disrupter and now launch this a few weeks later why not just wait and release the one mod. Proprietary tank system might be OK for beginners but anyone that's been vaping a bit has 510 tanks and drippers they enjoy and with this they won't fit but there might be an adaptor coming hmm.

 

[hazozita]

I'm really looking forward to this mod -- it sounds very interesting. It will be a while until it's released, however, according to Innokin posts on Reddit. While they are showing it at ECC no firm date has been set yet for market release.

They have not released photos of the new connection as of yet, stating they are concerned about cloners. But, Innokin has stated that they will be releasing the specs to avoid it being a proprietary system. Plus, according to Innokin there will be a 510 adapter available so you can use any tank on the new mod, albeit it will not be able to support TC using the adapter since the new connection is integral to how they are doing TC.

New toys on the horizon!

 

[Mooch]

Cause adding more resistance/connections to a device has always turned out well in the temperature game.

For vaping devices to date, that has been true. But in separating the high-current coil connections from the low-current temperature-sensing connections you gain some benefits...
- no changes in your temperature reading because of varying current flow causing varying voltage drops across the 510 connector.
- can switch to high resistance temperature sensing elements (thermistors) where even a couple of ohms change in connection resistance will have a very small effect on the measured temperature.
- can switch to faster responding and more accurate temp sensing elements (thermocouples) that generate a voltage instead of altering their resistance. Since only a tiny amount of current flows in the wires to the thermocouple any changes in connector resistance has little effect in the voltage being measured.
- doing the temp reading via a separate sensor allows anything that gets hot to be used for the coil. Not quite that simple as that as there probably has to be some calibration for the possible wire types, but it will be a much more flexible setup than just sensing coil resistance and using tables of data to determine coil temperature for each wire type.

I'm looking forward to tearing one of these apart!

 

[kalison]

Some people have been complaining about the 510 for years, So It's refreshing to see a new take on things.

Innokin is taking a risk here, but if it is a hassle free TC solution they will sell a lot of them to people that like a one tank+mod setup day in and day out.
And majority of Vapers do.

Eric

Gotta agree. For a while now, people have said (I think I heard Zen talk about how much he dislikes the 510, which was one of the big reasons he pushed the Z threads) there have to be better options out there, and a new standard needs to be found. New connections that allow a lot more communication with devices and atomizers. We are getting into a realm of possibilities these days where we will have to abandon the old in favor of the new. A year ago, I didn't think the chips and devices that use them could even come close to what they are capable of now.

I think 510 will always exsist, especially for anyone who loves their Mechs... but I think even Mechs would benefit from a newer, and better conductive connector to their Atomizers. Maybe something more robust at the very least... 510 connectors always looked a little too small for the weight and power they support... especially with people pushing 200 watts.

All in all, I am excited to see more stuff like this from manufacturers.... anything that competitors glean from this new product will only push innovation faster and farther.

 

[Darkly spectr]

Maybe they will built a temperature sensor adaptor for 510 connector, then perhaps I might be interested in buying.

impossible. the new connector using an additional element (digital data from the temperature sensor) makes it impossible for 510.

 

[Oregon Linda]

They have not released photos of the new connection as of yet, stating they are concerned about cloners. But, Innokin has stated that they will be releasing the specs to avoid it being a proprietary system. Plus, according to Innokin there will be a 510 adapter available so you can use any tank on the new mod, albeit it will not be able to support TC using the adapter since the new connection is integral to how they are doing TC.

I can't imagine this is going to sell real well if you can only use a new Innokin iSub tank with it. Even if a 510 adapter is included, why would someone want a TC device that won't do TC with their preferred tanks?

Having tried their current iSub tank, even with a 2 ohm coil, it just doesn't work for me. I don't think you can make a subtank into an MTL tank. no matter the coil resistance or how tight you make the airflow. They just aren't built that way. So even though I have their current Disrupter and love it, I would have to pass on this one. At least until a lot of other manufacturers are using their connection specs. And why would they do that for a competitor?