Intellicig raises $3.1m funding for medical e-cigarette

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Nobody knows what e-liquid design is the best, and in any case it may vary for individuals. It probably needs 15 years of usage data to get a handle on it. Or it may turn out you can pretty much vape anything and get away with it. Who knows.

For my own use, what I'd say about e-liquid is: you can't pay too much for it. Somebody needs to be taking care of business. But I guess everyone has different priorities, good luck to them.
 

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As I recall, Dr. Siegel stated during an online chat he did on blu's Facebook page that with the information available to him, VG is the better option.

He didn't go too far in-depth, but stated or implied that we know more about VG's effects on the lungs, but neither are likely to result in any substantial health effects.
 

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It's the fact they are conning people saying 1 cartridge is equal to 40 cigarettes, that's a complete lie

Steve, please give me the link to the page on their site they say 1 cart = 40 cigs, please?

They have just told me they don't say this, they claim about 6 cigarettes, it's someone else with the '40 cigs' claim. I'd tend to agree, about 4 to maybe 6 cigs for a 510-size cart.
 

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Um, to be honest - no. It was some time ago.

Their research and manufacturing facility is overseen by the local university staff. Their liquid was designed by Chris Lord, the co-founder, in 2008/9. They have access to some big academic names worldwide. So I'd hazard a guess that when they started, they were told VG was the way to go. Yes, PG is used in lung transplant patients' nebulizers but maybe that's because of the very high performance of PG as a bactericide and virucide.

It seems a toss-up to me which you choose, but there does seem to be some weight behind the use of VG for long-term users. I doubt very much whether there will be any solid research on one vs the other for many years, there's no profit in it. If I was designing a liquid base, today, I'd go for Dow Optim plus 2% PG to kill anything nasty. Next month it might be different...

But it does seem to me as if their liquid is a big positive for the licensing issues, plus the fact their liquid design and manufacturing is handled the right way. Their set-up is expensive, with higher than usual overheads, so the medical route is a good one for them. It would be much more difficult for other firms to get a license as their facilities are nowhere near the same quality.

Any e-cig would do the job so that's kind of a side issue. They may need to control the dosage more tightly in some way, not sure. They might need to use foil-sealed cartos and all that kind of thing. Actually I think they are still on an atty and cart system with the M401, it's a bit old-tech. At some stage in the future they'll need to change to cartos. It's probably hard to buy an M401 carto right now.

Isn't Optim Synthetic Glycerin?
 

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Does anyone know if CNC (the company that markets intelligic) a publicly traded company?

Here in the US, the primary reason companies issue press releases to announce (or update) clinical trials for a drug applications is to increase sales and values of shares of company stock.

Unless/until UK MHRA announces a regulatory framework for e-cigarettes, I don't understand why CNC would invest lots of money beginning to conduct clinical trials (as the MHRA regulatory framework would dictate the types of clinical trials to be conducted). I suspect that CNC hasn't done any clinical trials to date.

Also, current clinical trial requirements for obtaining FDA regulatory approval (it may be different in UK since MHRA has approved NRT for longer term use than here in the US) require the clinical trials to find that the test group had a significantly higher rate of nicotine abstinence (not just cigarette abstinence).

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Whoever gets to the market first with a medical e-cig will essentially have a license to print money. That being the case, it won't take too long. The US market will be tens of millions of dollars in Year 1, so it is almost certain to happen one day.

I don't necessarily agree, except perhaps in countries where e-cig sales are currently banned. But even there, consumers can currently buy products from abroad.

And unless the US FDA effectively bans the sale of e-cigarettes by promulgating a "deeming" regulation to apply Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to e-cigarettes, the price of e-cigarettes that are marketed as tobacco products (which includes all e-cigarettes currently marketed in the US) will remain significantly lower than any e-cigarette product that is ultimately approved by the FDA as an NRT product.

The only thing an NRT classification would do to boost sales of any particular e-cigarette brand (that FDA approves as an NRT) would be the requirement (in some states) that healthcare insurance policies reimburse some/all of the product's costs for a period of time.

Rather, the sale of all e-cigarette products are likely to skyrocket after the UK MHRA, US FDA or regulatory agency in another country approve an e-cigarette brand as an NRT is because the massive conspiracy/fraud/hoax/lies/fearmongering to demonize and ban e-cigarettes will be over.
 
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I don't think CNC is a public company.

The recent PR is probably to capitalise on the funding tranche achieved. It has marketing value in many ways, as long as it does not conflict with the licensing process.

I think the message to take away from this is that licensing is close, and there are no significant obstructions. For example if the primary deliverable required for a UK NRT is cessation of smoking, then NRTs do not need to deliver nicotine cessation per se.

Since the Snus safety data was used as the main proof of safety for extended NRT use in the UK, it follows that nicotine use is not seen as harmful, at least in comparison to smoking. Smoking kills a measurable proportion of users, whereas Snus (in Sweden, and when using Swedish-made products) is proven to have no significant elevated risk of mortality, i.e. a Snus user has the same risk as a non-smoker. Therefore long-term nicotine use in and of itself poses no significant risk of mortality. The risk, if any, compared to smoking, is at least one million times less. There may be undetected (or unmeasured) risk of low-level morbidity at population level, but taken against the risk from smoking, it is not significant. If it is safe to prescribe Chantix for smokers, when balancing the risk, then it must be safe to consume nicotine ad lib. Unrestricted nicotine use is provably thousands of times safer than Chantix, after all.

I believe that Intellicig has been working on various types of trials for about two years. Some may be applicable to pharma licensing, and some not. There is not exactly an over-abundance of lab or clinical data in this field, so it may well be that much of it is useful. Some very interesting information has resulted from this work, some of which has been published, some not. For example, some of the research appears to show that nicotine delivery from an e-cig, into the bloodstream of the user, is much faster than previously observed.

Some other research seems to show unusual implications for the nicotine strength of refill liquid and we may be making an announcement about this soon.

In general, Intellicig are spending money on clinical research, are probably unique in this respect, and as a result we can probably expect data useful to the entire industry from it.

In the UK, previous relevant documentation may be used in an application for the MA (market authorisation). This means that a company does not have to duplicate work that has already been done, such as for therapeutic supply of nicotine. You can see that this will reduce costs and time considerably. In addition, should such documentation pre-exist, then clinical trials can be small-scale, for example with 24 participants instead of the much larger numbers usually required.

The reasons why an e-cigarette licensed as an NRT will be highly profitable in the UK are:
  • The NRT e-cig will be placed in front of tens of thousands of doctors and clinicians in surgeries, health centres, hospitals, and nursing-led treatment centres.
  • It will appear in the MIMS book and the pharmacopeia.
  • It will make a massive splash in the medical magazines. Sales will be monumental when word gets out.
  • Many doctors are aware their current prescriptions have around a 95% failure rate in the long term.
  • It will legitimise the concept of harm reduction because although current NRTs are often marketed as some form of of THR, their failure rates in this mode are abysmal.
  • All medications are state-funded so there is no problem there. Patients can pay £7.50 per prescription (~$12), or get a yearly ticket for about £100 (~$160). Medication is free thereafter (except for some ultra-expensive categories where there is argument about who pays the cost).
  • Depending on the initial classification, there are more possible sales options. It depends on whether the product is prescription-only, OTC or deregulated (supermarket shelf, like patches etc).
  • Chemists (pharmacies) will market the product strongly, once 'approved'. Private sales of the licensed product will be substantial.
  • Mail-order sales to overseas destinations is another route: a unique, UK-licensed pharma product will have status elsewhere.

Unless the product is time-limited for prescription use, the Sate will actually be be funding e-smokers, so they will have to do some thinking about that. Long-term / repeat prescriptions would turn out to be a losing option...

So there are good reasons why the product will do well. We didn't include any of the multiple reasons that an approved pharma product will boost Intellicig's other sales. Their standard e-cig product is currently considerably under-marketed, and this would likely change. In addition, they own a Quit Smoking mentoring service which contracts to the NHS, and you can guess which product will be featured strongly after licensing is achieved.

However the situation in the US may well be different. I would think that, eventually, pressure on the FDA from well-funded sources will remove any obstacles. Time will tell. The MHRA were far more conservative in their obstruction to e-cigarettes, so they have less damage to undo. Profit is the ultimate motive and will fix anything in the end.
 
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We can buy Ecopure liquid now. What real benefit will all this licensing provide?

The official endorsement of a government health agency for use as "safe and effective" way to quit smoking.

When the first government agency (e.g. UK MHRA) approves an e-cig as an NRT, there will be news headlines worldwide stating "E-cigarette officially approved as smoking cessation aid".

Even though just one e-cigarette brand made by just one company will have been approved, the news stories and the fallout will convince the masses (as well as public health advocates) that all e-cigarette products can help people quit smoking.

Further, once the first e-cig is approved as NRT, most e-cigarette prohibitionists will stop demonizing the products, will stop trying to ban their sales and use, and/or will support repealing existing e-cigarette prohibition laws.
 

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Probably the biggest danger to licensing of an e-cigarette in the UK is the massive amount of resistance from interested parties elsewhere. In fact what it probably comes down to in the end is pressure from local pharma channels in the UK versus pressure from those who don't have a stake. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Once an e-cig is licensed, though, the propaganda will be considerably reduced. It will most likely change in flavor, to an attack on 'unlicensed' or 'unregulated' and 'dangerous' brands. They do have to find something to use.
 

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It will most likely change in flavor, to an attack on 'unlicensed' or 'unregulated' and 'dangerous' brands. They do have to find something to use.

Which was the primary point I was raising.

The second point would be that perhaps, as a consequence, the ability for good people to do good things may be reduced. The more removed and exclusive a process gets, the more room manipulation/exploitation is created.

As Bill mentioned above, the approval of vaping by a government agency will help more people quit more quickly than the grass roots approach and will undoubtedly be a strong motivating factor for encouraging other governments to follow suit. That is a tremendous plus and I am very happy that millions of others will get to experience the joy and tremendous benefits that come from breaking free from the slavery of smoking.

On the other hand, we have countless examples where people, ideas, companies, products and technologies thrive in a fair and open environment. I would point to open-source projects like Linux and Firefox which have far-surpassed commercial software in many regards. Apple has harnessed the power of FreeBSD Unix for its computers. For another good example visit Web server - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to see which web server serves you, not only this site, but approximately 65% of the sites on the Internet. Now look at who is a distant second. These are but a few examples out of countless thousands.

People should always have the greatest number of choices.
 

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It's the fact they are conning people saying 1 cartridge is equal to 40 cigarettes, that's a complete lie


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Steve, please give me the link to the page on their site they say 1 cart = 40 cigs, please?

They have just told me they don't say this, they claim about 6 cigarettes, it's someone else with the '40 cigs' claim. I'd tend to agree, about 4 to maybe 6 cigs for a 510-size cart.

"Included in the kit are 15 Refill Capsules containing ECOpure, the renowned eliquid produced by Intellicig in their Bioscience Laboratories. They equate to approximately 90 cigarettes worth of 'smoking'. "

Intellicig Limited Edition Jubilee Kit - Electronic Cigarettes
 

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Rolygate, am i reading this correctly?

"Exposure to vapor by inhalation is unlikely because of the low volatility at room
temperature. Vapor from heated material or mist may cause respiratory irritation" ??????

That sounds like fairly standard stuff from an MSDS?

Anyway, if there's an MSDS for water, it will quote exactly that.

Not water Roly; but look at this MSDS for sand ;)

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924861

an excerpt:
Section 3:
Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of
inhalation.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified 1 (Proven for human.) by IARC. Classified A2 (Suspected for human.) by ACGIH.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not
available. The substance may be toxic to lungs, upper respiratory tract. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can
produce target organs damage.
 

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MSDS for non-fat dry milk powder. It's advised to wear eye and skin protection and call a licensed agent for transport and removal. It may be a skin irritant and may be harmful if swallowed.

http://www.cellsignal.com/support/msds/nonfat_dry_milk.pdf

Don't even think about talking an aspirin until you read the MSDS.
 

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Please don't worry, this is an extremely common reaction to reading an MSDS. I remember the first time I read one for something harmless, and the MSDS described it like something that could be used in chemical warfare, I thought: "What's going on here?".

Just read the MSDS for PG and you'll be amazed, VG likewise. It starts out when they call it propane-1,2,3,triol. Then it gets worse, and eventually you start to think it could be the next think in terrorist attack materials for a dirty bomb. But glycerine is the most advised carrier for medical inhalers now. PG is used in asthma inhalers and the nebulizers lung transplant patients use. If it wasn't absolutely safe to give to people with the weakest, most sensitive lungs around then it wouldn't be used for that.

An MSDS is the classic example of the CYA manoeuvre, it has to include every possible reaction seen in a goldfish 30 years ago and applies only if you are handling bulk tankers of it and may get drowned in the stuff and prove to be the 1 in 10 million who is allergic to it. Otherwise you can forget it.

The only instance where an MSDS has immediate validity is when the fatally toxic dose is quoted in mg and it's a small number. Otherwise, it could be fatal in terms of several kilos of it, certainly - if the barrel falls on your head.

Like DaveP says, the MSDS for most if not all common things like salt or acetylsalicylic acid are really frightening. It's a wonder how we can ingest tons of the stuff without harm. Never mind what Keith Richards is alleged to have consumed.
 
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