Thought I'd share this:
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There’s already a thread on this around here somewhere. Iirc the guy dressed like a newscaster is a vaping advocate, and the woman being interviewed is an employee at a Washington “think tank” that has apparently actually done pro tobacco stuff in the past, and was not universally well liked in the comments.
This has been going on since the American Cancer Society declared war on smoking in 1957. For all practical purposes, ACS actually created the National Cancer Institute, back when when it was headed by Mary Woodard Lasker.
"Mrs. Lasker's network is probably unparalleled in the influence that a small group of private citizens has had over such a major area of national policy. One federal official refers to it as a 'noble conspiracy.' Gorman calls it a 'high class kind of subversion, very high class. We're not second story burglars. We go right in the front door.'" (The Health Syndicate / Washington's Noble Conspiracy. By Elizabeth Brenner Drew. The Atlantic Monthly 1967, Vol. 200, pp. 75-82)
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"Mrs. Lasker's network is probably unparalleled in the influence that a small group of private citizens has had over such a major area of national policy. One federal official refers to it as a 'noble conspiracy.' Gorman calls it a 'high class kind of subversion, very high class. We're not second story burglars. We go right in the front door.'" (The Health Syndicate / Washington's Noble Conspiracy. By Elizabeth Brenner Drew. The Atlantic Monthly 1967, Vol. 200, pp. 75-82)
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I do google news searches and read the latest scare stories. It's always seemed the same rhetoric came out in waves from one or a couple of coordinated sources. She connected the dots beautifully. As always, follow the money.
Gottlieb has said the FDA is science based. I'll believe it when I see it.
Gottlieb has said the FDA is science based. I'll believe it when I see it.
.......s! It's the sequel to "...... Madness". I quit smoking after 35 years thanks to vaping. Now they have traumatized my child into believing vaping will kill me.
1967 was just when the article was written. The war on tobacco commenced 10 years earlier. And the Lasker Syndicate began towards the end of World War II, when the American Cancer Society used the former War Bond selling networks for its own fund raising. And they employed the old war propagandists to write their own propaganda.
Didn’t the government go to Madison Avenue to get their psi ops people to begin with? Hard to hire anyone at that time that wasn’t part of the war effort in some way. I wouldn’t be surprised if half or more of the advertisers around in the 50’s had worked on that stuff.
Yep. And ACS got some of the top dogs.
The Big Lie of "David vs Goliath"
Also, many of the members of the Scientific Advisory Board of the tobacco industry-funded Council for Tobacco Research were also officials of the American Cancer Society and its clones. You remember all the demonization of the CTR, don't you? They really didn't do anything to defend the tobacco industry, they just funneled money to their pet projects and cronies.
CTR is too common an acronym to be specific. To what are you referring?
The FDA is not science based, has probably never been science based, and Gottlieb gives these SMOOTH speeches, and I feel all warm and fuzzy for a moment until he makes some sort of announcement that is like a pickaxe to the back of the head.
He's a smooth operator. If he were actually PHYSICALLY raping vapers (not just what is going on now) like, I don't think he'd even need ROOFIES, honestly. He could just smoothly proceed and afterward when you are like, "I really need a vape OR a cigarette, that was horrifying," he'd be all like "No," and then toss you out of his mini van in some dark alley somewhere.
Yes, I am getting to know Gottlieb. I wouldn't even WAVE my sword at him to scare him a bit, I would just well (TOTALLY HYPOTHETICALLY G man!) stab him.
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He's a smooth operator. If he were actually PHYSICALLY raping vapers (not just what is going on now) like, I don't think he'd even need ROOFIES, honestly. He could just smoothly proceed and afterward when you are like, "I really need a vape OR a cigarette, that was horrifying," he'd be all like "No," and then toss you out of his mini van in some dark alley somewhere.
Yes, I am getting to know Gottlieb. I wouldn't even WAVE my sword at him to scare him a bit, I would just well (TOTALLY HYPOTHETICALLY G man!) stab him.
Anna
You are totally on "the watch list," now, Anna. (Totally hypothetically lol)
I think I already am, and the husband has been on it since, oh I guess the early 80s he got ah, interviewed at great length concerning some rather fascinating ATM practices.
He's one reason that there are cameras at ATMs now. And yes, you are all so welcome.
I don't know how I would DO like, being interviewed for 8 hours straight and sticking to a totally exceptionally sort of not believable but essentially impossible to disprove story, but I guess he did good.
He also got audited 3 times by the IRS for accidentally (he says, I am not sure) for printing out his tax return on the back of a large chunk of Clinton's testimony.
IDK why the IRS got so mad frankly. Even if it was ON PURPOSE he was saving money, meaning the IRS can take more.
But yes, apparently do not send in your returns on presidential impeachment stationary.
Send it in electronically for goodness sake's it's 2019. LOL.
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He's one reason that there are cameras at ATMs now. And yes, you are all so welcome.
I don't know how I would DO like, being interviewed for 8 hours straight and sticking to a totally exceptionally sort of not believable but essentially impossible to disprove story, but I guess he did good.
He also got audited 3 times by the IRS for accidentally (he says, I am not sure) for printing out his tax return on the back of a large chunk of Clinton's testimony.
IDK why the IRS got so mad frankly. Even if it was ON PURPOSE he was saving money, meaning the IRS can take more.
But yes, apparently do not send in your returns on presidential impeachment stationary.
Send it in electronically for goodness sake's it's 2019. LOL.
Anna
To split a hair: Perhaps science based is a fuzzy term. I think that it is scienced based (in that it’s intent and action is to look at science to make decisions about food and drugs) is beyond question. How much that is affected by politics is another question though. Which research they look at and what kind of action they take is influenced by politics and whether those politics can be more powerful than the actual scientific evidence in influencing those actions is a major problem.
The video had bad things to say about the NIH but the FDA was left largely out of the whole thing.
Your comment did cause me to read the wiki on Gotleib
Scott Gottlieb - Wikipedia
There are a couple of things in his history that creep me out ignoring the whole ecig thing. He doesn’t seem to me to be a main perpetrator though given the evidence presented in the video. It seems to me that influencing his opinion is more the goal of the entire activity. As a public servant his goal should of course be to resist such influence. I’m not at all sure how well he is doing it.
I couldn’t find anything in the wiki about this ATM stuff. Could you elaborate?
I am currently mulling the concept that this video may be evidence of a pivot by the tobacco industry on the attack of e-cigarettes following their purchase of Juul.
They used the same systems to ...... the growth of e-cigarettes so they could identify an industry leader that maintained the consumer’s dependence on the product and buy it cheaply. Now that they’ve got what they want the actions they set in place are no longer to their advantage so theyre attacking them.
I base this largely on the employment and history of the interviewee and her sudden reversal.
They used the same systems to ...... the growth of e-cigarettes so they could identify an industry leader that maintained the consumer’s dependence on the product and buy it cheaply. Now that they’ve got what they want the actions they set in place are no longer to their advantage so theyre attacking them.
I base this largely on the employment and history of the interviewee and her sudden reversal.
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Did a quick google search on it. Didn’t find anything yet, but information is hard to hide these days. It’s verifyin that it is true that’s the hard part.
Anyway while doing so I ran across this article in a convienience store industry publication. While most of us deal with vape shops, convienience stores still sell the most product
FDA Nominee Goes One Step Further
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