You can see them against each other. Phil Busardo has pit them both on a scope. Go to taste your juice.com and find out for yourself. The dna 20 measures up. Nobody is making you buy one. Stick with your provari if you're happy. As for me, I'm a sub ohm vapor and my provari doesn't stack up for that. It's a great device but doesn't work for me.
Introducing Futura - The Modular DNA 20 APV by NexgenVapor[ISSUE]
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Science is Science, no one is arguing that the Provari is not a good device, or that it's output is not consistent for whatever voltage it's set to. But that doesn't change the fact that as the wire heats up it's resistance drops. This means that on the provari, as you hold down the button the wattage will conceivably vary/increase as the coil warms up. It's likely only a small variance (like under .5w) but to act as if this doesn't happen is to ignore physics.
VW in itself, does not deliver a more consistent vape, but that is not to say that the DNA 20 doesn't. Most cheap VW devices measure the resistance once when they start to fire and use this to calculate voltage. The DNA20 continues to measure the resistance and constantly adjusts the voltage while firing to maintain consistent wattage as long as the button is held down.
Im not ignoring physics.I just take exception to the claim that its more accurate and more consistent. I can move my device up or down in .1 volt increments. Thats more accurate than .5 watts (do the math yourself) and also allows for more fine tuning.
Im not knocking your device either but to imply that its better to simply sell a product is unethical.It reminds me of Blu telling everyone they have the best electronic cigarette out there when we all know that is patently false.
I hate to have to add my stream into this pissing contest, but the DNA20 adjusts in 0.1 watt increments so that argument is totally irrelevant...
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As the owner of a ProVari and DNA 20 devices I would have to say that each device has it's purpose and function. But, for my liking and vaping style the DNA's are just better suited. Works a lot better for me with my atty setups. Just saying.
Here's a thought... Why are you so heated about this anyways? Do you have stock in Provape? Are you boinking the owner's daughter or what? I say everybody just relax and have a vape. Hell, do it in .1 volt increments if you'd like. Ahhh! Now don't you feel better?
I’d suggest to anyone trying to evaluate the DNA20 performance to actually try it rather than rely on specs. I didn’t think the Provari would be better than my Vamo or SVD until I vaped the same topper on them back to back. The Provari vaped better (in addition to the hugely better build quality). I now own 2 Provari which are on the “never sell, never trade” shelf at home.
A couple of months ago I tried the DNA20 (a Mamu borrowed from a friend). It vaped better than the Provari. It’s not a night and day difference, but the DNA20 provides a smoother, more consistent vape especially when using micro coils. Why? Don’t know. Don’t really care, to be honest. The DNA20 works sufficiently better than the Provari, and offers much more vape range flexibility that I happily handed my money over to NextGen for the Futura. It gives me DNA20 functionality in a better form factor (for my needs) than a box mod, and a more attractive design (at least from what I can see in pictures) than other tube DNA20 mods.
If it’s built as well as the Provari, I’ll be handing them my money again for a second one.
A couple of months ago I tried the DNA20 (a Mamu borrowed from a friend). It vaped better than the Provari. It’s not a night and day difference, but the DNA20 provides a smoother, more consistent vape especially when using micro coils. Why? Don’t know. Don’t really care, to be honest. The DNA20 works sufficiently better than the Provari, and offers much more vape range flexibility that I happily handed my money over to NextGen for the Futura. It gives me DNA20 functionality in a better form factor (for my needs) than a box mod, and a more attractive design (at least from what I can see in pictures) than other tube DNA20 mods.
If it’s built as well as the Provari, I’ll be handing them my money again for a second one.
Lets do the math.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 7 watts = 3.240 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 7.5 watts = 3.354 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 10 watts = 3.872 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 10.5 watts = 3.968 volts.
Granted if we move up the scale;
3 ohm atomizer at 7 watts = 4.582 volts.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.5 watts = 4.743 volts.
But this is where the .1 increments come in to play.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.1 watts = 4.615 or only a difference of 0.033 volts.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.4 watts = 4.711 or only a difference of 0.129 volts.
(from 7 watts)
I am not sure if the DNA 20 will vary the voltage by .01, but I think it might be overly broad to say that a variable wattage device will not allow for "fine tuning" of your setup.
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1.5 ohm atomizer at 7 watts = 3.240 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 7.5 watts = 3.354 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 10 watts = 3.872 volts.
1.5 ohm atomizer at 10.5 watts = 3.968 volts.
Granted if we move up the scale;
3 ohm atomizer at 7 watts = 4.582 volts.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.5 watts = 4.743 volts.
But this is where the .1 increments come in to play.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.1 watts = 4.615 or only a difference of 0.033 volts.
3 ohm atomizer at 7.4 watts = 4.711 or only a difference of 0.129 volts.
(from 7 watts)
I am not sure if the DNA 20 will vary the voltage by .01, but I think it might be overly broad to say that a variable wattage device will not allow for "fine tuning" of your setup.
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It's not my product, I'm a consumer just like you. I have a Provari and I preordered one of these. Either way, you still aren't understanding what I'm saying.
With a provari, lets say you have a 3 ohm coil and you are set to 5w. You take a 4 second draw, as you hold the button down for 4 seconds, the resistance drops to 2.8 ohms as the coil heats. This means that as you are firing, your wattage will go from 8.33w to 8.93w.
If you repeat this same test on a DNA20 device set to 8.3w. The output will stay at 8.3w, as the voltage applied will adjust with the resistance so when the resistance goes from 3ohm to 2.8ohm, the voltage will drop from 5v to 4.8v.
can I please go somewhere on this forums without a thread turning into a provari fest?
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If the Dna20 allows for .1 watt increments then I stand corrected.
To date all Ive seen with variable wattage devices is the ability to adjust in .5 watt increments and that is NOT as accurate as a Provari with a .1 volt adjustments AND a linear filter. That last part is VERY important as it adjusts the pulse to a flat line , providing a consistent voltage.Its also why many of us can taste and feel the difference between a Provari and Vamo, for instance. If the DNA20 can do that with wattage in such small increments then it sounds impressive.
If this is good as people are saying it is then Id like to try one soon, Im not worried about sub ohms and micro coils but it would be interesting to compare them side by side with the exact same setup.
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Yes, I agree. Let's not degenerate into a "which device is better" coffee klatch. I just wanted to set the record straight on the DNA 20, not bash any other mfgr. or system. Plus, who wants to antagonize Provari owners? I'd like them all to become customers.
More importantly, what's out time frame for completion of said devices looking like? Lol.
I think the items I bolded above are the only relevant thing to take away from the discussion over the past few pages. Both devices (ProVari vs specifically the DNA20 chip, let's wait till we have the Futura in our hands before we start talking about it) have their place. Both are the pinnacle of their respective formats (VV vs VW) right now. Each are great, but only to the people that they suit. Just like the rest of the vaping world, there is no 1 thing that works perfectly for everyone.
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Question. I have read that the DNA20 doesn't have reverse battery protection but on your site it says that the Futura does. Is this a feature you added or am I misinformed?
I'm with you Hazozita, I love my Provari and never would part with it but there is no denying the DNA 20 technology and the anticipated build quality of the Futura. I look forward to having both of these advanced, exquisitely built APV's.
JonYes, I agree. Let's not degenerate into a "which device is better" coffee klatch. I just wanted to set the record straight on the DNA 20, not bash any other mfgr. or system. Plus, who wants to antagonize Provari owners? I'd like them all to become customers.
I'd bet a good number of your preorder sales are Provari owners, I know I am.
I can't stand this! I know I'm not the first to ask nor will I be the last. But I'm an impatient American and I wanna throw money at this beast! LOL! What's a possible ETA?
Well, I'm glad you asked. Actually, not so much because I wish I could say we're shipping tomorrow, but it looks more like the end of the week before the first ones will be ready. We had to redo a couple of things that didn't meet our quality expectations, hence the delay. But we're sooooo close now...
I know! It's great! Everyone should have all the best toys, and as many of each as possible. Thank God vapers (including me) are totally obsessed.
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