Introducing Futura - The Modular DNA 20 APV by NexgenVapor[ISSUE]
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has anyone tried using flat top batteries in a futura using a button top adapter?
Flat Top Battery Adapter
I have lots of FLAT batteries, none have the button
Flat Top Battery Adapter
I have lots of FLAT batteries, none have the button
If you mean the PD/PF cells, they don't have a high enough amperage to fully support the DNA30. They have 10, it can use 12, bad things happen when you pull more amperage out of a battery than it can handle. Either of the batteries linked in the post you quoted can handle it.
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There are a variety of opinions about the safety of that approach. For sure you would be disabling the reverse polarity protection. Would I do it? No, I wouldn't.has anyone tried using flat top batteries in a futura using a button top adapter?
Flat Top Battery Adapter
I have lots of FLAT batteries, none have the button
He was refering to the Hybrid. Hybrid IMR 18650 30A Orbtronic SX30 Ultra High Drain rechargeable Li-ion battery. Which is 30amp continuous.
And again as I said above. It should work just fine in the Futura as it's button topped. One question you might ask yourself though is if you really need a 30amp. It certainly doesn't hurt but it's quite a bit overspec for what is needed.
Hurm but the SX30 is 2100mAh, where as the SX22s are 2000mAh. It would be nice if we could get a 2900mAh that was 15+ Amp rated, that would be perfect for a DNA30.
well this one shows as 10amp continuous but 18amp pulse for 5-6 seconds:
NCR18650PD - New NCR18650PF - High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery free shipping from Florida
so correct me if I am wrong but I think it will deliver full amperage even for a dna30, and I think it should be safe, and the 2900mah combined with relatively low internal resistance of 21 Mohms I would think it should perform well, no? I'm using these with a dna20 and so far they've been good a far as I can see
NCR18650PD - New NCR18650PF - High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery free shipping from Florida
so correct me if I am wrong but I think it will deliver full amperage even for a dna30, and I think it should be safe, and the 2900mah combined with relatively low internal resistance of 21 Mohms I would think it should perform well, no? I'm using these with a dna20 and so far they've been good a far as I can see
They are good for the DNA 20 but you are just pushing the envelope for a dna 30. The new LG 2500 mah should be more available soon and I know a couple people who are contacting their reps and seeking them in button tops. The 5-6 second pulse limit on the batteries you linked bothers me. Who wants to time themselves?
as far as I know the dna itself has a 10 second cut off anyway, and I would expect that anyone vaping at or close to 30 amps wouldn't even be able to do 7-8 seconds or more without burning up the wick anyway. that and I'm sure that 5-6 seconds at 18 amps will comfortably translate to up to 10 seconds at 12 amps being just fine. yeah it may be pushing it close to the limits but I believe the limits that are set is safe and conservative and pushing up to the limits should mean getting the max from the battery as opposed to drawing 13 amps for 5-10 second pulses max on a battery rated to 30 amps continuous, which to me seems that battery is just way overkill and you are sacrificing capacity for amperage that you would never be able to even take advantage of on something like a dna, even a dna30.
I'd disagree with you there, at least if you're suggesting use with the DNA30. Over the limit is over the limit. If you get the wicking right, you're not going to burn up the wick at 30 watts. Batteries also lose capacity over time and through use, especially when pushed to their limits. You want your worst case to be within the specified limits and what you're suggesting isn't. But in the end, it's your face, do with it what you want.
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the reason I posted is because that's my thought process' conclusion and I am receptive to others input. that's why I said I think, and I believe, not I know.
I think if the battery is rated to 10 amps continuous that means that a fully charged battery can be loaded 10 amps continuously right up until it's dead without harming the battery or causing any problem at all, it's fine. it also can do 18 amps at 5-6 second pulse without any harm or adverse effects, within spec and fine. I'm pretty sure the difference between infinity at 10 amps and 5-6 seconds at 18 amps changes as you reduce the load from 18 amps. 16 amps may be fine at 10 second pulse, 13 amps is probably fine at 15 second pulse which is more that the dna30 is capable of ever drawing, 11 amps may be fine for 25 seconds, 10 amps is fine continuously, it's a sloping graph that ramps up if you were to see the full spec and I don't really think it's a blow up your face kind of thing, I think it's a very good match and gives the highest capacity while being able to meet the load just fine and technically within spec.
no huge safety cushion at wide open full on max usage possible, granted, it's right up close to the red line of being within spec at maximum load of 10 seconds each pulse at the full 30 watts, but again I don't see that as being typical use anyway, I'd bet average use will always be quite a bit below this red line maximum of 10 second 30 watt hits all the time, why is that a blow up in your face deal?... if I'm wrong I'd like to know it but for all the stupid things guy do with batteries I don't feel like a reckless maniac by running batteries right up to there highest rating within spec in a regulated mod. and I'd be willing to bet most any user would never even get close to the red line in normal use anyway. to me this looks like a perfect match battery, not an explosive device waiting to detonate?
I think if the battery is rated to 10 amps continuous that means that a fully charged battery can be loaded 10 amps continuously right up until it's dead without harming the battery or causing any problem at all, it's fine. it also can do 18 amps at 5-6 second pulse without any harm or adverse effects, within spec and fine. I'm pretty sure the difference between infinity at 10 amps and 5-6 seconds at 18 amps changes as you reduce the load from 18 amps. 16 amps may be fine at 10 second pulse, 13 amps is probably fine at 15 second pulse which is more that the dna30 is capable of ever drawing, 11 amps may be fine for 25 seconds, 10 amps is fine continuously, it's a sloping graph that ramps up if you were to see the full spec and I don't really think it's a blow up your face kind of thing, I think it's a very good match and gives the highest capacity while being able to meet the load just fine and technically within spec.
no huge safety cushion at wide open full on max usage possible, granted, it's right up close to the red line of being within spec at maximum load of 10 seconds each pulse at the full 30 watts, but again I don't see that as being typical use anyway, I'd bet average use will always be quite a bit below this red line maximum of 10 second 30 watt hits all the time, why is that a blow up in your face deal?... if I'm wrong I'd like to know it but for all the stupid things guy do with batteries I don't feel like a reckless maniac by running batteries right up to there highest rating within spec in a regulated mod. and I'd be willing to bet most any user would never even get close to the red line in normal use anyway. to me this looks like a perfect match battery, not an explosive device waiting to detonate?
I happened to peak in this thread, and I couldn't help it, I had to say something.
You are way off base here. The fact is, a 10 amp battery is fine with the DNA30, with some caveats, much in the same way that an 18350, which to my understanding, usually have a 6 amp rating, are fine with the DNA20, and it's 8 amp top end.
1. The DNA will not ask the battery for more than it can provide. This means, no explosions, no venting of gas, and no fried board, just no vape.
2. a 3 ohm dual coil, 2 ohm dual coil, 1.5 ohm dual coil, 1 ohm dual coil, is no where near 12 amps, or 10 amps, this means, as vapers, we can wrap a coil to fit our device, instead of acting like we are vaping on a mech mod, we can realize that you spent well over $200, you should adjust your topper, the cheaper of the 2 in this equation, to fit what you are using it on. Instead of acting like uneducated newbs who don't realize that they can use a higher ohm coil on a mod that can push 8 volts through that coil. The amp draw on the battery is more efficient, and you get longer battery life that way also.
3. How many users are using the DNA30 at full spec? .5 ohms, at 30 watts? Every single day? All day?
If you want to vape a .5 ohm dual coil, then get a mech mod. If you want to run a 1 ohm dual coil, the the DNA30 will be fine, and a 10 amp battery will do the job just fine. Not every set up pushes 12 amps.
I don't know what to say to that. You obviously think pushing a battery close to it's limits is fine. Forget regular usage, dual coil carto's and whatnot, If a chip can do something you better have a battery behind it that can comfortably provide the power it needs at whatever level. You don't buy a battery that matches the atty you have today because that changes.
I'd much rather follow the advice of known and respected modders than a fellow who just happened to peak in and just spit out his pop battery philosophy without reading enough to know what the debate is about.
Go share your opinion in the thread I linked to earlier. Perhaps they can explain it better.
I don't know what you are doing trolling in here anyway. Considering your rude and obnoxious comments earlier about the Futura and Nexgen, I'd think you'd be done with this already.
I'd much rather follow the advice of known and respected modders than a fellow who just happened to peak in and just spit out his pop battery philosophy without reading enough to know what the debate is about.
Go share your opinion in the thread I linked to earlier. Perhaps they can explain it better.
I don't know what you are doing trolling in here anyway. Considering your rude and obnoxious comments earlier about the Futura and Nexgen, I'd think you'd be done with this already.
That's great. Way to actually read and understand what I said.
*golf clap*
It wasn't a troll. You didn't actually respond. The mere fact that you are buying a device that can use the board with an 18350, which you seem not worried about, shows how little you even understand. But keep worrying about the 18650.
Good to know Zen doesn't know what he's doing. Good to know you are buying a device from a modder who doesn't know what he's doing.
Shut up taptalk
Battery:
A single cell rec
hargeable lithium chemistry battery is recommended. Either a lithium ion or a
lithium polymer type can be used. Any battery used should be rated for a
MINIMUM
of
12
amps
continuous discharge current.
High C rated lithium polymer or IMR cylindrical cells are
strongly
preferred.
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at all contacts and connections are capable of handling at least 12 amps.
This is from evolv not me
A single cell rec
hargeable lithium chemistry battery is recommended. Either a lithium ion or a
lithium polymer type can be used. Any battery used should be rated for a
MINIMUM
of
12
amps
continuous discharge current.
High C rated lithium polymer or IMR cylindrical cells are
strongly
preferred.
M
ake
sure th
at all contacts and connections are capable of handling at least 12 amps.
This is from evolv not me
You should expect Evolv to say that, they are a manufacturer.
But it's funny, the very first DNA30 device, and one that Evolv designed a special board for, is one that comes 18500 stock, and there are no 12 amp 18500 batteries.
Jus sayin. The point is, not every setup requires 12 amps.
Shut up taptalk
Exactly. You said it better than me actually. :thumbup:
I think the thing that everyone needs to realize, this is an advanced device, we should at least take a little effort to advance our knowledge a bit as well, not every battery will push the DNA30 to it's limits, because the DNA30 won't allow it to.
We spend $200+ on a device, that can boost a 3.7 volt battery to 8 volts, but we put an atty on top, that at best is half the price of the device, with a coil in it that we built for a mech mod.
It's a simple little change, if you want to use a 10 amp battery, like the Panny with 2900 mah, you can run a 2 ohm dual coil dripper, all day long, and never bump up against 10 amps.
Shut up taptalk
You have a point there. The ZNA comes stock with a 18490 batt tube.
And according to ZEN's interview with PBusardo, You can fire that ZNA at 30 watts with an 18490/500 in it. But it's not going to last very long before the battery check determines it doesn't have the ability to fire it anymore.
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