Iowans must go to Tobacco Store to buy dissolvables & "nicotine" products

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rothenbj

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"If you're going to control tobacco products to make it more difficult for children to obtain, I've got a couple suggestions. Either take nicorette gum and lozenges and sell them only in stores that derive 90% of their gross sales from tobacco OR, better yet, leave flavored tobacco products like orbs, strips and stonewalls in the convenience and drug stores with Nicorette gum and lozenges while moving all combustible smoking alternatives to age restricted tobacconist locations.

What an interesting concept if this legislation is related to what government considers public health."
 

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This was also on the Iowa Democrat Senate web site, where I made a comment a few days ago: Keep ‘nicotine candy’ away from kids and maintain anti-tobacco efforts


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What about government-endorsed nicotine "candy?" Nicorette and other brands come in Fruit Chill, Cinnamon Surge, Fresh Mint, Capuccino, Cherry and Orange and they are FDA-approved, without any child-proofing and available on shelves just about everywhere. Since adults don't like these "candy flavors," they must be targeting children, too?

A little hypocritical, don't you think?

Where is this huge danger of these products? The most recent nicotine-related death was in 2003 and it was caused by a pharmaceutical nicotine product, not a tobacco product. (See the AAPCC report.)

On the other hand, cigarettes are available at just about any store, even though more than 99% of all tobacco-related deaths are smokig related. Tobacco users who switch to a smokeless product could greatly reduce their health risks by 98% - 99%.

So, smokeless tobacco products have been linked to NO child fatalities in 8 years, yet they could reduce health risks in tobacco users by 99% and the Iowa Democrats' answer to this health crisis is to make it even harder for adult smokers to access these low-risk smokeless alternatives to "protect the children?"

Why do people insist in making up fake dangers and ignoring the real ones?
 

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I'm trying to work on a better reply about kids argument. Here's what I posted for this one
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Adults should certainly keep dangerous products such as aspirin, household cleaners, insecticides and countless other common but dangerous products away from children. It is already illegal to sell nicotine products to children. For children to obtain them it must be through an adult. It puzzles me as to why anyone would think it matters where adults buy these things. would it do less harm to the child if it was bought in a store where children aren't allowed.
 

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Kristin, I also responded to the Senate article and pushed the envelope a bit further.

This article is very misleading and sensationalizes a non-issue. Perhaps not enough research was done to come up with the information used to support a political position. Directly from a CDC report on Injury Prevention & Control: Home and Recreational Safety-

"Among children, ED visits for medication poisonings (excluding abuse and recreational drug use) are twice as common as poisonings from other household products (such as cleaning solutions and personal care products) (Schillie et al. 2009)."

I cannot find the raw data that I had examined last year, but I analyzed the non-medication poisonings last year after finding a misleading report on this issue. At that time the leading cause of adolescent poisoning after medications was Cosmetics at 25% followed by household cleaners at 17.6% and foreign bodies at 13.8%. Sixteen classifications account for almost 90% of the poisonings before you get to tobacco products including pesticides, plants, arts and crafts items, alcohols, deodorizers, solvents, bites, chemicals, paints, adhesives and glues and essential oils. Tobacco is not even on the radar.

Only 1.1% of childhood poisoning is tobacco related and of that figure only .16% is related to smokeless products. If you're going to promote a safety concern for youth related to tobacco, perhaps you should look to the pharmaceutical NRT products that sit on shelves in drug stores in "candy" flavors that look like tic-tacs and gum as opposed to tobacco products that are, by law, sold behind the counter and can only be bought by adults.

I understand that legislators are busy with many issues, but they should understand that tobacco prohibitionists are always exaggerating issues to promote their cause.

As a matter of full disclosure, I have no vested interest in the tobacco industry and have a large investment in the pharmaceutical industry but inaccurate reporting such as this must be addressed.
 

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I've seen lots of CASAA folks on this thread but don't see any local Iowans here yet. Come on folks and get involved. We got super involved in fighting the recent legislation in Utah on this and beat the bill down where it belongs. You CAN beat this if you simply get involved. Don't sit around waiting for CASAA to fight the fight for you. Talk to any of the good CASAA folks on this thread and they'll work with you to start the fighting campaign.
 

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The same is with Republican representative Ray from Utah that was fighting to get this bill passed (and still is fighting despite only 3 days left in our session). However you must know that you will never completely change the mind of any individual. They must want to change. What you will do is plant the seeds and continue to cultivate them until the idea becomes their own. By working on this throughout the year, it will work. Not everyone will come around. But at least you will not sit back and complain that you didn't try. I for one hope that Rep Ray hears our radio interview and wishes to talk or challenge it.
 

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I would just like to remind people who are writing to Iowa legislators that the Iowa Dept. of Public Health has already determined that using an electronic cigarette indoors is permissable per State Law and is up to the individual business owners to determine their own individual rules. That said please use caution in writing these legislators as I would hate to see any of them get their feathers ruffled and decide to put e-cigs in their target sights and start trying to focus on indoor/outdoor bans.

Thanks in advance.
 

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I think this article was written in a misleading way in order to scare the less educated. Tobacco companies aren't targeting kids with these nicotine "candies". They're already making a mint off of adults. To say this on a government website in an official article is slander. Children learn to use tobacco products from friends and family, not from an item on the shelf behind glass. If you want to protect the children, make it easier and less expensive to choose a proven safer, more reliable method of reducing harm to themselves. Let the children see them making responsible choices for their health, and hopefully stopping smoking entirely. The more cesation products available to smokers, the more likely they will be to quit.

Decided to play down the e-cigarette side of this, and focus on lying politicians and responsible parenthood. We'll see if the mods aprove it.
 
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