Is it a mech?

[edyle]

So here's the question:

If you have a mod, that looks like a vamo, but has no vv or vw; the left/right buttons only read battery volts and coil ohms respectively, and display the result on the screen, and if they don't work or the display don't work it doesn't interfere with the fire button, which merely fires like a mech, which a lock ring down at the bottom.

So it's a mech with volt and ohm meter added on.

So how many consider that a mech
and how many consider it not a mech.

 

[Cloud Junky]

No, because if there is a circuit that can be broken i.e. battery to the ohm reader, and that power to the atty than it is not battery to atty power.

(I am wrong if it does not interfere, than it is a mech)

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

I'd consider it a mech.

 

[edyle]

No, because if there is a circuit that can be broken i.e. battery to the ohm reader, and that power to the atty than it is not battery to atty power.

(I am wrong if it does not interfere, than it is a mech)

Yes the idea is an actual mech with voltmeter and ohmmeter separately and not-interfereingly added on.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

It seem to me that a mod/mech could measure volts and ohms without causing interference to the circuit.

I would agree that it isn't a mech if interference by whatever is measuring those values is proven. Otherwise, it's still my opinion that's it's a mech. Otherwise, why the locking ring?

 

[WattWick]

Are we talking about an actual mod? If it has electronics, it's not a mech. Mech is not so much about the button as about how the current gets from battery to atty. As in; not running through or powering electronics.

 

[edyle]

Are we talking about an actual mod? If it has electronics, it's not a mech. Mech is not so much about the button as about how the current gets from battery to atty. As in; not running through or powering electronics.

1:
And actual existing mod: I'd like to find it; I'm sure somebody's made one.

2:
Yes it has electronics.
No it does not use the electronics to power the coil.
The electronics is just an added on voltmeter and ohmmeter with display, independent on the mod function.

 

[Turbo Slaab]

1:
And actual existing mod: I'd like to find it; I'm sure somebody's made one.

2:
Yes it has electronics.
No it does not use the electronics to power the coil.
The electronics is just an added on voltmeter and ohmmeter with display, independent on the mod function.

The power constantly goes through the electronics. Not a mech.

 

[WattWick]

I'm not the Supreme Judge of Mechs, but in my opinion it's not one. It's a mod with electronics in it.

It's all semantics, tho. As long as it fires up a coil, it's all good, I guess.

The power constantly goes through the electronics. Not a mech.

Thought about that... you coooould argue that the electronics can be powered by a parallel circuit. There's a fine line between that and trolling, tho.

 

[Dampmaskin]

As long as the circuitry is in parallel with the main circuit, and not necessarily engaged while vaping, I would be inclined to think of it it a mech with added bling.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

The true definition of "mechanical mod" is more or less a push button and a physical direct path for current flow

The electronic bling make it a hybrid of sorts...

It is kinda like saying a bolt isn't a mechanical...but there isn't anything regulating or changing the voltage and/or current to the coil...

I would say it's a mechanical as long as there isn't a separation or conversion of battery to coil path...but who cares...Vape Yo Face Off

 

[rurwin]

You cannot measure resistance without measuring current. It is difficult or impossible to measure DC current without electronics in series with the atty coil.

That doesn't need to be much; a hall-effect chip for example can be rated at many amps and have a negligible effect.

However, I'd have to say that any series circuitry would make it not a mech in the purest sense. In use it will behave almost identically to a mech but if there is a dead short the electronics could fail. It might be possible, but expensive, to make it robust enough to survive almost anything you could throw at it, in which case whether it is or is not a mech would be moot for anyone but a dyed in the wool purist.

On the other hand, if the resistance measurement used a different circuit, which was switched out when the mod was in normal use, then it might count as a mech, but one with an extra switch or two in series. Purists get concerned over a few milliohms in switch contacts too.

Edit: it is possible to do it without the extra switch in series.

In fact it might be possible to make the hall-effect device yourself and provide a high-current path through copper wire to the atty. But you would have to individually calibrate every device.

 

[D. Waterhouse]

If it has solder, it's not a mech.

 

[Dampmaskin]

If it has solder, it's not a mech.

So wooden unregulated mods are not mech mods? What is the rationale behind that definition?

 

[Wickeddeuce]

If it has solder, it's not a mech.

So wooden unregulated mods are not mech mods? What is the rationale behind that definition?

Those are considered semi mech... current reo woodvils are considered semi mech... not regulated but not purely mech... the Oliver on the other hand, is what i believe to be a pure mech wood mod...

 

[Dampmaskin]

What makes the Oliver different? They used conducting metal not in the form of wires, instead of conducting metal in the form of wires? And that is significant, somehow?

Edit to add: Ok, I did a little bit of searching, and found another thread about this topic. Seems like this distinction is less about practical considerations than aesthetics and purism, so there is probably not much sense in asking about rationales in this case.

 

[rurwin]

It would be possible to make it a pure mech mod and offer the electronics.

The trick would be to put the vape switch at the top end, like a VV mod, but make the path between the battery positive, through the switch to the atty connector entirely mechanical. The switch would have to be insulated from the mod body of course.

Then you take two other paths, with wires, from the battery positive, through the two switches to the volts and ohms metering.

 

[WattWick]

Starting to sound more like a Ghostbusters backpack than a mechanical mod to me

 

[Completely Average]

Those are considered semi mech... current reo woodvils are considered semi mech... not regulated but not purely mech... the Oliver on the other hand, is what i believe to be a pure mech wood mod...

Isn't it just great when people make up their own definitions to terms that were in use long before they learned them?


A MECHANICAL mod is just that. One that works with a purely mechanical circuit. There are no electronics to power, it's purely mechanical in the way it functions.

If there is solder or wires that makes ZERO difference to it being a mechanical circuit. Solder is metal, as are wires, which means the ONLY difference between them and a metal tube is the shape. So you are effectively saying that something isn't a mech mod because it's not shaped the way you prefer, and it has nothing at all to do with how the mod works.

You can believe that if you like, but it's just wrong, and anyone who knows what the term Mechanical really means will tell you that you're wrong.


Now, as for the question about a device having on board circuits that read battery voltage and measure ohms being a mech mod, there is a simple way to find out. Remove the PCB, cap off the wires leading to it, and see if the mod still works. If it doesn't it's not a mechanical circuit, it's an electrical circuit that requires the PCB to work.

 

[Dampmaskin]

My common sense wants me to agree with you, Completely Average. But what little I know about language, tells me that it is seldom logical, so I'll stay here on the fence. No wait, where I'll be is at the post office, picking up my first mech mod from FT (Nemmy clone), which just happened to arrive today.