Is it time for us to come together yet?

[Fir3b1rd]

We just now got a B&M in my town. I really like that idea Tony! I'll see if some of the vapers want to do that.

Cool! They set it up at a coffee shop because allot of vapors around here had expressed concerns of going to bars because they were recovering-
Just something to think about when you're setting it up. If not for the current people that may be interested, future people. Would hate for someone not to go just because of its location.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Actually that whole idea is pretty good! If communities all had a vape
Night once a month, once a week or like us, we have one every other week. And then each group had a person not necrssarily an elected leader but anorgamizer and that person set up a Facebook page or a thread on here or what not then every "groups", "organizer or group of organizers could swap info on their social media outlet we could phrasibly have an entire unites front, or organization.
I know I know we have casaa- and nothing wrong with casaa but this could be more of a social way for all of us to be connected. I haven't spoken to anyone with casaa- but they get some money from me.... Hmmm

 

[Sirius]

Actually that whole idea is pretty good! If communities all had a vape
Night once a month, once a week or like us, we have one every other week. And then each group had a person not necrssarily an elected leader but anorgamizer and that person set up a Facebook page or a thread on here or what not then every "groups", "organizer or group of organizers could swap info on their social media outlet we could phrasibly have an entire unites front, or organization.
I know I know we have casaa- and nothing wrong with casaa but this could be more of a social way for all of us to be connected. I haven't spoken to anyone with casaa- but they get some money from me.... Hmmm

The B&M is in a strip mall with plenty of fast-food places that have outside venues. Very nice location imo. I think it will work well.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

The B&M is in a strip mall with plenty of fast-food places that have outside venues. Very nice location imo. I think it will work well.

Cool!!!! It is really helpful especially for new vapors or people considering getting a mod but not sure if they wanna drop the cash on it. I've converted a couple people to provaris. All they've been able to see was the price and what people say to bash them- after they try it they show up with one - lol.
It's what got me into wanting a mech too. And now with the Feds it'll really be helpful.

 

[Tomthern]

I like what you said. We should be together as one. We all vape with different mods, mechanicals, etc. No matter what someone uses it doesn't make someone better or worse. If they have been able to stop using analogues then it is the best setup. I am very happy with my MVP 2 but will probably change up eventually. I continue to learn and feel that this is a good community to be a part of. That's my 2 cents.

 

[Robino1]

Actually that whole idea is pretty good! If communities all had a vape
Night once a month, once a week or like us, we have one every other week. And then each group had a person not necrssarily an elected leader but anorgamizer and that person set up a Facebook page or a thread on here or what not then every "groups", "organizer or group of organizers could swap info on their social media outlet we could phrasibly have an entire unites front, or organization.
I know I know we have casaa- and nothing wrong with casaa but this could be more of a social way for all of us to be connected. I haven't spoken to anyone with casaa- but they get some money from me.... Hmmm

CASAA would probably love the idea. The more people that learn about vaping, and the issues involved, the better! Seriously you should implement this, it is a fantastic idea.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

CASAA would probably love the idea. The more people that learn about vaping, and the issues involved, the better! Seriously you should implement this, it is a fantastic idea.

Thank you!!!! Don't tell the wife I had a good idea though- hahaha
I'm gonna try and call them in a little bit. I'm afraid I won't get the idea across to them in writing. Hard enough time getting it down on paper once more less twice. Hahah

 

[Sirius]

Thank you!!!! Don't tell the wife I had a good idea though- hahaha
I'm gonna try and call them in a little bit. I'm afraid I won't get the idea across to them in writing. Hard enough time getting it down on paper once more less twice. Hahah

Bwahahaha too funny!

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Spoke with CASAA
Nice lady- hoping they have a formal response to the FDA by the end of the week.
She seemed to think I was a bit looney; need to work on hiding that better.

But in the end she said we can sign up for meeting through "go to meeting."
Ok that's great and all but i know I won't do it. Chasing around behind kids and work makes that difficult. I think the concept of setting up groups around the country or helping me do so is either to big for them or just not something they want to do. She said they already exhist. Hmmm then why am I getting asked about it?
I'm any event ours is NOLAVAPORS on Facebook.
If you have one and want to connect let us know. If not let's keep our eyes and ears out for what CASAA has to say. Apparantly it's looking like what was in my head was a wishful thinking kind of thing.

 

[drummerskey]

I wanted to point out a few things that I thought were inaccurate IMO.

First, the petitions that people are signing require a certain number of signatures for action but if your petition does meet the signatures, it ONLY means that the president has to respond to it. They do not clarify how he has to respond to it, just that he will.

Second, if the FDA has control of a product; they apply regulations. These are not laws and cannot be repealed or altered by your state or federal representative. They may be able to influence these regulations but that is really all.

Being a CASAA member or getting more members to join isn't going to do much. You have to get involved by calling your politicians and getting non-vapers on our side. Public opinion has to be swayed. This is why signing the petition and simply joining the CASAA is the most popular choice...........because most people can't be bothered to do anything that requires real effort. It's just easy to log in to the .gov site and click "sign" or join the CASAA and let them do all the work. Plus, and I mean this with all due respect; I am a critically thinking, intelligent human being and I may not sign the CASAA petition if I don't agree with all of it's contents.

I would love to see everyone come together and agree but I just don't see that happening. You may want a free market solution but I don't think you can trust a company to do what is right for you all the time..............and, even though we can vote with our dollars, that just means the person who can make the cheapest crap will win because that is mainly how people shop. Find the cheapest price and buy there. Example Fasttech

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I wanted to point out a few things that I thought were inaccurate IMO.

First, the petitions that people are signing require a certain number of signatures for action but if your petition does meet the signatures, it ONLY means that the president has to respond to it. They do not clarify how he has to respond to it, just that he will.

Second, if the FDA has control of a product; they apply regulations. These are not laws and cannot be repealed or altered by your state or federal representative. They may be able to influence these regulations but that is really all.

Being a CASAA member or getting more members to join isn't going to do much. You have to get involved by calling your politicians and getting non-vapers on our side. Public opinion has to be swayed. This is why signing the petition and simply joining the CASAA is the most popular choice...........because most people can't be bothered to do anything that requires real effort. It's just easy to log in to the .gov site and click "sign" or join the CASAA and let them do all the work. Plus, and I mean this with all due respect; I am a critically thinking, intelligent human being and I may not sign the CASAA petition if I don't agree with all of it's contents.

I would love to see everyone come together and agree but I just don't see that happening. You may want a free market solution but I don't think you can trust a company to do what is right for you all the time..............and, even though we can vote with our dollars, that just means the person who can make the cheapest crap will win because that is mainly how people shop. Find the cheapest price and buy there. Example Fasttech

You definitely have some good points. And I agree with most, that's why I haven't signed a petition. The CASAA people didn't say they were putting out a petition; I should have clarified that, they said they were going to release a "call to Action," whatever that means.

I do agree that the best thing we can do is call our reps and individually do our part to change public Opinion. I've been fairly vocal about that around ECF and taken quite a bit of flack for it. But truthfully it's the best weapon we have right now.

 

[drummerskey]

You definitely have some good points. And I agree with most, that's why I haven't signed a petition. The CASAA people didn't say they were putting out a petition; I should have clarified that, they said they were going to release a "call to Action," whatever that means.

I do agree that the best thing we can do is call our reps and individually do our part to change public Opinion. I've been fairly vocal about that around ECF and taken quite a bit of flack for it. But truthfully it's the best weapon we have right now.

I agree with your thoughts in principal but my favorite example always is the iPhone. People were working in horrid conditions and they put a safety net outside the windows so they couldn't commit suicide and people voiced how appalled they were but they didn't have any issue buying a new iPhone. Make it in the US? No way, that would make the price double or triple and that isn't happening.

I don't think anyone should trust the government to completely make a product or industry safe but I don't disagree with safety standards/regulations for e-juice or banning sales to people under 18 (although as others have said, it absolutely in-effective - but so is simply having to click on a website that you are 18 or older). I don't agree with anything else the FDA proposed to do but those things are fine by me.

I saw a picture of a local B&M juice maker and they were making the juice in a back room, on a metal table in a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket. They could use the finest ingredients but make it with unwashed hands in a dirty room and spit in your 10ml bottle before they fill it for all I know. How many other juice companies do the same things? I am sure there are places that do a fantastic job with testing, cleanliness, sanitary environments for making the juice but these places likely charge more and the general public buys cheap.

To be my own devils advocate though, this is the same FDA that allows so many parts per million of rat feces in your peanut butter......let me repeat that, allows.

The answer really is money. Vape manufactures of all kinds really have the most to lose and if they spend the money to fight this, we will end up with a better end than what is currently proposed.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I agree with your thoughts in principal but my favorite example always is the iPhone. People were working in horrid conditions and they put a safety net outside the windows so they couldn't commit suicide and people voiced how appalled they were but they didn't have any issue buying a new iPhone. Make it in the US? No way, that would make the price double or triple and that isn't happening.

I don't think anyone should trust the government to completely make a product or industry safe but I don't disagree with safety standards/regulations for e-juice or banning sales to people under 18 (although as others have said, it absolutely in-effective - but so is simply having to click on a website that you are 18 or older). I don't agree with anything else the FDA proposed to do but those things are fine by me.

I saw a picture of a local B&M juice maker and they were making the juice in a back room, on a metal table in a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket. They could use the finest ingredients but make it with unwashed hands in a dirty room and spit in your 10ml bottle before they fill it for all I know. How many other juice companies do the same things? I am sure there are places that do a fantastic job with testing, cleanliness, sanitary environments for making the juice but these places likely charge more and the general public buys cheap.

To be my own devils advocate though, this is the same FDA that allows so many parts per million of rat feces in your peanut butter......let me repeat that, allows.

The answer really is money. Vape manufactures of all kinds really have the most to lose and if they spend the money to fight this, we will end up with a better end than what is currently proposed.

You right; I see it as a slippery slope though, while I do agree with those aspects of the regs- my 6 year old likes the smell, labels etc... When was the last time the Feds passed small regulations and let it lie?
Not that it's not possible but it makes me
Nervous.
For the juice mfg. I think you just said enough to make me stick to buying local. I can at least see where it come from and I'm ok with that. I get nervous about consumables. I worked I. The restaurant business and now I'm equating the two.
That scares me...

 

[ScottP]

I agree with your thoughts in principal but my favorite example always is the iPhone. People were working in horrid conditions and they put a safety net outside the windows so they couldn't commit suicide and people voiced how appalled they were but they didn't have any issue buying a new iPhone. Make it in the US? No way, that would make the price double or triple and that isn't happening.

I don't think anyone should trust the government to completely make a product or industry safe but I don't disagree with safety standards/regulations for e-juice or banning sales to people under 18 (although as others have said, it absolutely in-effective - but so is simply having to click on a website that you are 18 or older). I don't agree with anything else the FDA proposed to do but those things are fine by me.

I saw a picture of a local B&M juice maker and they were making the juice in a back room, on a metal table in a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket. They could use the finest ingredients but make it with unwashed hands in a dirty room and spit in your 10ml bottle before they fill it for all I know. How many other juice companies do the same things? I am sure there are places that do a fantastic job with testing, cleanliness, sanitary environments for making the juice but these places likely charge more and the general public buys cheap.

To be my own devils advocate though, this is the same FDA that allows so many parts per million of rat feces in your peanut butter......let me repeat that, allows.

The answer really is money. Vape manufactures of all kinds really have the most to lose and if they spend the money to fight this, we will end up with a better end than what is currently proposed.

If I thought for one second these proposed regulations would make anything safer, i would probably back the FDA on this. However, labeling doesn't make anything safer. See my previous post for examples. What this steaming pile is, is a registration program with a currently undisclosed price tag that will be used to create a barrier to entry into the market. It also sets up a frame work to pile on additional regulations, such as prohibition of flavors, later down the road.

So far the eCig industry has been successful in keeping the Federal Government from interfering with their business, this proposal amounts to nothing more than a crowbar that is going to be use to pry open the safe.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Thought this was interesting

Pbusardo had this on his sight, really good gripe about FDA from an ecig smoker; although, I kind of hope what he's using on TV is just for TV...you'll see and yes this is

Fox News channel



http://video.foxnews.com/v/35174959...n-em/?playlist_id=1040983441001#sp=show-clips

 

[sonicdsl]

thought this was interesting

pbusardo had this on his sight, really good gripe about fda from an ecig smoker vaper; although, i kind of hope what he's using on tv is just for tv...you'll see and yes this is

fox news channel



Gutfeld: Government's kneejerk reaction to e-cigs? Ban 'em | On Air Videos | Fox News

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