MN has a tax now. That's the one we are talking about and expecting other states will try the same.
Is taxing vaping impractical?
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Paying taxes on nic is one thing. Paying the same taxes on overpriced "gourmet" cake flavor mixes is a whole other story.
One could assume that the marked adapted to selling as strong nic as possible and flavors separately. Which would in itself pose a much larger risk than vaping on its own.
One could assume that the marked adapted to selling as strong nic as possible and flavors separately. Which would in itself pose a much larger risk than vaping on its own.
You said e-cigs are being demonized for tax purposes, yet only 1 state has imposed such a tax...
I can see Canada, but not most states, especially after the recent elections...
You're saying 35 states have laws that specifically prohibit minors from purchasing zero-nic liquid? Sorry, this just isn't true.
Well, not everyone is using it to quit smoking. If they were, I would so no taxes. But that is not the case. If it is sold in the U.S., I can accept it.
Why does that matter? It's a recreational product that just happens to be effective for smoking cessation among smokers who wish to quit. In any event, it is orders of magnitude less hazardous to health than cigarette smoking. Thus, any smoker who replaces any portion of their cigarette intake with vapor products is improving their health, even if they have no intention of achieving 100% smoking cessation.
So what are people using it for? All the studies that I have seen have shown that virtually everyone using them is or was a smoker. This sounds like the stupid claims that vapers are still smokers cos they vape, but other NRT users have stopped even though most go back to smoking. I tthink most of us are in the same boat and know that if we stop vaping we will eventually smoke again so vaping is a stop smoking product even if it has just changed us from having a very dangerous habit to people with a habit of as yet unknown danger level.
that tax is for prefilled carto's for cigalikes as it was written when
cigalikes where the only thing on the market when it was written.
advances juices and devices are taxed at the regular state sales
tax rate.
i am not even certain Minnesota is even attempting to collect
the tax as Greensmoke,Blu and V2's are only slightly less to
buy online than in the B&M's.
on the other hand i know Minnesota has been going after
people buying cigarettes online as they don't have the
Minnesota tax stamp affixed to them.
e-juice batteries and tanks do not have tax stamps here.
if its being payed at all it would be through tobacco suppliers
who are marketing their own products.
no one is ordering their ego's through them.
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mike
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when did this tax pass? there has no tax passed this year.
in fact due to the efforts of some hard working people all
vaping related language was removed from amendments
to Minnesota's Clean Indoor ACT last session.
regards
mike
addendum:here is the relevant law.
"E-cigarettes are Taxable
E-cigarettes and e-juice are considered tobacco products and are subject to the Tobacco Tax, which is currently 95% of the wholesale cost of any product containing or derived from tobacco. For example, the Tobacco Tax on an e-cigarette starter kit is calculated on the total cost unless the nicotine cartridges are sold separately and then the tax would only be on the nicotine cartridge value. Similarly, a disposable e-cigarette may have the tax calculated on its nicotine cartridge value if the cartridge is replaceable."
source:http://www.revenue.state.mn.us/businesses/tobacco/Pages/e-Cig.aspx
this is clearly written for cigalikes.
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North Carolina has a Tax on E Juice 5 cent per mil
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/29/us-usa-cigarettes-north-carolina-idUSKBN0E92C020140529
Joe Barnet of the Vaping Militia has Stated the 2015 will the the Year of States Passing Taxes on Electronic Cigarettes
States push to regulate, tax booming e-cigarette industry | Fox News
I still don't get the connection with demonization and taxes, but I don't see any demonization, either...
So that's 5% on e juice but not on any of the components? So DIYers will be OK just those who buy premixes, seems like a nuisance tax to me not that I can really understand your tax system as all the states can do different things the only people I see benefiting are the gas companies and couriers.
its much easier to over tax something that is considered harmful or
detrimental to society. sin taxes.
that is what the hue and cry from nicotine,juice,batteries and refillable tanks
being the next great evil is all about. think of the chillin'.
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mike
You forgot to add the sarcasm icon. Without it, people might question your intelligence or think you are trolling.
The good news about the attacks is that it's the best they can come up with. When so many different medical and public health professionals say so much obviously stupid stuff it means they know they don't have any really good arguments against vaping. When they say there isn't enough research they mean there won't be enough until they come up with something bad, which apparently hasn't happened yet or they would brag about it.
There is no organized effort by those against e-cigarettes and those in favor of taxes. Many states and cities have simply mismanaged the tax revenue. E-cigs are just an easy way to increase more revenue, which they will mismanage...
Ecigs are not easy to tax compared to tobacco. The people who tax things usually think through the consequences of their new taxes. I suspect it's impractical to tax the devices. You don't see special taxes on tobacco pipes or head shop devices. Then suppliers can make zero nic liquids to spike at home, etc. Vaping is reletively low tech. DIY is pretty easy. Then there is the strong likihood that vaping really has a health benefit and there is no sin tax justification after all.
What the fight is really about is control, not tobacco control but citizen control. We the people can live without government cigarettes. Is this another Boston tea party? I doubt they'll send the Red Coats this time.
What the fight is really about is control, not tobacco control but citizen control. We the people can live without government cigarettes. Is this another Boston tea party? I doubt they'll send the Red Coats this time.
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