Is the next gen KFL the Magma ?

[regal55]

I see a lot of similarities between the two (KFL & Magma). I know one is a not to perfect RTA the other a rda. Making the KFL a tank meant a few compromises with the microscopic deck. One thing that is right is the bottom air hole. Many people will tell you that the KFL functions better as an RDA and I agree. and I believe others have to.

The magma I see many improvements on the design and many influences of the KFL design on the Magma, except now you have two air flow bottom feed holes and a bottom holding tank. To this day I don't trust the KFL on a 13 hr journey called work, to many tools required if something goes wrong. The magma I actually think I could.

And the flavor is better with the true dual coil dual bottom air fed design with the magma gives you both advatages of each design.

The magma doesn't get a lot of praise around here and I can't figure out why, possibly the same reason as before with the KLF, its the first flavor making RDA we've seen in a while.. I'm not a cloud chaser so don't know how it stacks up there but for flavor the Magma seems to be tops? Or has someone taken this concept even futher?

 

[HecticEnergy]

I agree the bottom airflow increases flavor. I'm not sure if it was influenced by the kayfun or not. The octopus RDA has been around for a while and it has a similar bottom air flow, though a much more restricted airflow, and mine had a really crappy build quality...

Magma was really big for about a week... It holds lots of juice, but the reviews indicate it has a potential to leak.
The vertical coil RDAs seem like they would have a similar benefit. I know my 454 big block is a flavor dripper, and I hope to get a veritas soon, as that stacks up well also. Plumveil is after that I think magma would be third on the list. I like the press fit design over having to screw things down. Personal preference...

 

[regal55]

Are the 454 bb and veritas bottom hole fed?

 

[VaPreis]

Unless they added a tank to the Magma that I don't know about, then I'd say no. The magma is a great dripper, but even with a mild build of .5Ω, the flavor still isn't as sharp as a well built Kayfun. Good for a dripper, but not in the realm of a Kayfun.

Are the 454 bb and veritas bottom hole fed?

No.

 

[HecticEnergy]

No, they are vertical coil, but still considered top flavor attys.

 

[Wow1420]

I see the Magma getting a lot of mention whenever there's a question on the best starter RDA. Well justified IMO. Drippers were of limited use to me until I found out about the deep well designs.

I found a cure for leaking on the Magma in single coil mode, just block the unused air hole on the deck. I used a piece of toothpick. Keep the other air hole generally pointed up.

 

[slappy3139]

Lots of drippers give superior taste than a kayfun, IMO. To say drippers don't have flavor comparable to a kayfun flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Most people that have been vaping for any length of time would say the same I would imagine.

 

[VaPreis]

Lots of drippers give superior taste than a kayfun, IMO. To say drippers don't have flavor comparable to a kayfun flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Most people that have been vaping for any length of time would say the same I would imagine.

Being a vaper who has vaped and built for a length of time, I'm not one of those most people.

In terms of drippers, I am a huge fan of the Magma's design in regards to it's bottom fed air flow. It's why I bought one. It's simply not a replacement for a well built tank for me.

 

[eratikmind]

I have had my 2 KFLs since their original release date. They have continued to be part of my daily vaping routine. However, my dripping atties afford superior flavor and vapor, hands down.

The KayFun has it's limits. It is limited to the size of its build deck and juice channels.

 

[regal55]

I have had my 2 KFLs since their original release date. They have continued to be part of my daily vaping routine. However, my dripping atties afford superior flavor and vapor, hands down.

The KayFun has it's limits. It is limited to the size of its build deck and juice channels.

This is what I see the miniature deck is a compromised made for flavore, the engineers knew they had to make to be tank style. And the tank attributes are so cumbersome I'm still on the fence whether I'd trust it to make a work week without dicking with it (I hape with practice that goes away.) But you have to admit grapping a magma, build it and there is very little to worry about as far as dry hits, pressure loss, cotton taste etc. The magma has all the good qualities of the KFL as far as flavor , name one engineering trick not improved on with the magma as far as flavor?

 

[eratikmind]

Less we forget, the 2 are of 2 different platforms. RTAs have their strong points, as RDAs have their strong points.

 

[VaPreis]

This is what I see the miniature deck is a compromised made to flavore the engineers knew they had to make to be tank style. And the tank attributes are so cumbersome I'm still on the fence whether I'd trust it to make a work week without dicking with it (I hape with practice that goes away.) But you have to admit grapping a magma, build it and there is very little to worry about as far as dry hits, pressure loss, cotton taste etc. The magma has all the good qualities of the KFL as far as flavor , name one engineering trick not improved on with the magma as far as flavor?

You are missing one of the features of a kayfun that helps concentrate it's flavor, and that is it's chimney section. It is the concentration of the vapor produced that make it's flavor so pronounced. Most drippers lack that feature, and instead produce flavor through the brute force of the amount of vapor produced. Not the same thing in my book.

It is a given that the build of a tank has a higher learning curve in terms of wicking then a dripper. But once you get it, the flavor is fantastic, and the vapor isn't to shabby either.

IMO, you should buy a Magma if you don't already own one. For the price of a clone, it's fantastic. Mine is the FT version, and the build quality is outstanding.

 

[regal55]

Damn now my other brass monkey styl drippper just aren't cutting it. Looks like I'm going to have to order some more magnas unless there other bottom air hole drippers I should try?

 

[regal55]

You are missing one of the features of a kayfun that helps concentrate it's flavor, and that is it's chimney section. It is the concentration of the vapor produced that make it's flavor so pronounced. Most drippers lack that feature, and instead produce flavor through the brute force of the amount of vapor produced. Not the same thing in my book.

It is a given that the build of a tank has a higher learning curve in terms of wicking then a dripper. But once you get it, the flavor is fantastic, and the vapor isn't to shabby either.

IMO, you should buy a Magma if you don't already own one. For the price of a clone, it's fantastic. Mine is the FT version, and the build quality is outstanding.

Sounds good in theory but this mango-vanilla says otherwise, much better out of the Magma than KFL. Then again I was I novice when I had it in the KFL. But I am finding the drip tip serves the role of the chmeny with the magma and is very important.

 

[VaPreis]

Sounds good in theory but this mango-vanilla says otherwise, much better out of the Magma than KFL. Then again I was I novice when I had it in the KFL. But I am finding the drip tip serves the role of the chmeny with the magma and is very important.

I'm glad you're enjoying it.

 

[nasca]

apples and oranges.

I'd say Svoemesto designs vacuum tank systems, not drippers.

 

[herb]

While i love kayfun's if your talking about pure taste the Magma blows them clear out of the water as it does the same to every other dripper i have tried . The Veritas and Origen are right up there as well , most others are the standard three post design and perform admirably .

I have yet to have my Magma's leak , despite being a dripper if you fill it from the top it will probably end up leaking which is it's biggest drawback. Open it up and fill it (don't overfill) and it won't leak , it has a deep well and holds a lot of liquid .

Wick it and tuck both wick ends down into the well and enjoy the tastiest vape ever , it's outstanding with just one coil (1/8 inch mandrel )and i like running it at 1.5- 1.8 ohms and under 20 watts . Lower builds and more wattage kill the flavor for me

For max performance you MUST have both air holes lined up and open , do not just have one open , it is mediocre at best if you do.

 

[MrPlink]

Lots of drippers give superior taste than a kayfun, IMO. To say drippers don't have flavor comparable to a kayfun flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Most people that have been vaping for any length of time would say the same I would imagine.

I absolutely agree. Not to say a Kayfun does not produce good flavor, its strong point is convenience.

 

[Steamer861]

I'm going to disagree. While I think the Magma is a little better in the taste department a Well built Kay-fun is not to far behind in just taste. In no way does it get Blown out of the water in taste quality by any thing I have tried

While i love kayfun's if your talking about pure taste the Magma blows them clear out of the water as it does the same to every other dripper i have tried . The Veritas and Origen are right up there as well , most others are the standard three post design and perform admirably .

I have yet to have my Magma's leak , despite being a dripper if you fill it from the top it will probably end up leaking which is it's biggest drawback. Open it up and fill it (don't overfill) and it won't leak , it has a deep well and holds a lot of liquid .

Wick it and tuck both wick ends down into the well and enjoy the tastiest vape ever , it's outstanding with just one coil (1/8 inch mandrel )and i like running it at 1.5- 1.8 ohms and under 20 watts . Lower builds and more wattage kill the flavor for me

For max performance you MUST have both air holes lined up and open , do not just have one open , it is mediocre at best if you do.

 

[slappy3139]

You are missing one of the features of a kayfun that helps concentrate it's flavor, and that is it's chimney section. It is the concentration of the vapor produced that make it's flavor so pronounced. Most drippers lack that feature, and instead produce flavor through the brute force of the amount of vapor produced. Not the same thing in my book.

It is a given that the build of a tank has a higher learning curve in terms of wicking then a dripper. But once you get it, the flavor is fantastic, and the vapor isn't to shabby either.

IMO, you should buy a Magma if you don't already own one. For the price of a clone, it's fantastic. Mine is the FT version, and the build quality is outstanding.

Small chamber is where the kayfun and other similar tank systems get their excellent flavor, I agree. There are rdas out there that have very small chambers that combined with a Reo, negate any advantages of a kayfun style device for convenience and flavor. Again, IMO