Is there a point anymore? Why isn't everything 510?

Status
Not open for further replies.

xg4bx

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Aug 5, 2010
1,216
403
Phillipsburg, New Jersey
i despise the mall kits as much as anyone but in all honesty it boils down to "let the buyer beware". people will spend days researching where to save a few bucks on a tv or find a cell phone with the best features but they're going to immediately drop $100 on the 1st thing they see that they'll be putting in their body? sadly, that would appear to be the case. then again i'm someone who mentally debates the merits of a $10 paperback.
 

NCC

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 14, 2010
3,847
6,865
Fla Panhandle, USA
people will spend days researching where to save a few bucks on a tv or find a cell phone with the best features but they're going to immediately drop $100 on the 1st thing they see that they'll be putting in their body?
I can only speak of my experience in this regard. When I bought my first PV it was a horrible choice. But, I was unaware of the many choices which were available. I really thought there were only a couple models "out there". I'm certain that is true for a lot of first time buyers. Then, like me, they're unsatisfied and THAT is what motivates them to find better alternatives (and hopefully, ECF). For me, that first POS served the purpose.

I should have known better. Usually, when something catches my fancy in a store, I'll go research it online before I buy one. That is, if it costs more than $5. Usually, I find in the process that the one in the store that got me thinking & researching, has much better models available. But, the "e-cig" appeals to the impulse buying in a lot of folks when they're first exposed to it (myself included).

Oh, and rolygate: I love to save money on juice. I love a good sale where I can get a healthy discount on good juice. I really hate paying $1/ml, even though that's the going rate for top tier liquid ... if I can get the exact same stuff for 50¢/ml, I'm a happy stocker upper. :)
 

DC2

Tootie Puffer
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 21, 2009
24,161
40,974
San Diego
i think alot of retailers simply don't know. they're probably offered a good bulk deal, fed a line about the profit potential and that's that. frankly i don't think that truck stops and the like really care, product is product.
The question posted by the original poster has been answered right here.
The rest of the discussion is just for fun.
:)
 

DC2

Tootie Puffer
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jun 21, 2009
24,161
40,974
San Diego
And since we are having fun, it is not that the mall kiosk models or gas station models suck...
It is that people don't know how to use them correctly.

Or, more likely, that they are starting with automatic batteries, which are very hard to use for a beginner.

My brother-in-law has been using an NJoy NPro (RN4081) for over two years now.
And he can make that thing sing and dance.
 

Skyway

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 10, 2009
1,090
324
NC - USA
www.bsvoboda.com
Oh, and rolygate: I love to save money on juice. I love a good sale where I can get a healthy discount on good juice. I really hate paying $1/ml, even though that's the going rate for top tier liquid ... if I can get the exact same stuff for 50¢/ml, I'm a happy stocker upper. :)


I am not sure where you are buying your ejuice but I pick up 60ml of ejuice for $38 every month. That is the normal everyday price at puresmoker.
 

ProStreet

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Dec 30, 2008
366
13
46
Montgomery county Maryland
This thread just goes to show how everybody differs from one another. I myself have tried 901, 801, KR808 and 510. By far the worst was the KR808. I can not stand cartomisers. Weak flavor and they run dry super quick. Next worse would be the 801. Way to airy draw and a weak odd flavor at 5V. I do like 901's but I had atty issues with severe leaking and burning out to quick at 5V. I have been on 510 at 5V for 1 1/2 years now and it is the sweet spot for me. Amazing flavor, great TH, perfect draw with a drip tip and good atty life at 5V. I dont even visit forums much any more because I have no reason to. My prodigy at 5V with a 510 and drip tip kicks .... and works and works and works.
 

Bigfoot1974

Super Member
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 14, 2010
572
879
Flemingsburg, KY
www.mammothskins.com
I agree that its a matter of educating the masses of what an e-cig is and how it works. Someone used cars as an analogy and I will do the same. When you go buy a car you know what an engine is and the different types there are out there. You wouldn't go buy a car with a 4 cylinder engine if what you want is alot of horsepower. You wouldn't buy something with a big V-8 if you want something that is easy on gas.

The general public has no idea how an e-cig works. When I first got into it I tried to find images of the inside of an e-cig and really wasn't satisfied. I bought an extremely overpriced kit that honestly tasted like piss and wasn't happy. If I had been more informed as to how e-cigs work and where to buy them I would have gone down a completely different road.

The e-cig movement is still in its infancy and as they become more popular, more inforrmation will be available and hopefully the sellers and makers will realize they won't be able to feed the masses with cheap crap that nobody really wants.
 

FantWriter

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Dec 11, 2010
601
5,429
Kentucky
My first kit was a Blu. Before I returned it, I sat down and examined it, looking for things I wanted to be better on my next purchase.

One obvious thing is that the threads are wrong. From a machinist's and engineer's viewpoint, the battery should have the male thread. The female should always be on the part which is disposable and/or easy to clean. I'd hate to stick anything down between the poles of the battery to clean out the oil/metal particles/etc. which always accumulate in the female threads when parts are repeatedly assembled and disassembled.

Ergonomically, it is easier to handle and there is less chance of misthreading or crossthreading if the male thread is on the larger/longer part.

My biggest dislike of the Blu was the short battery life, swapping out batteries before finishing a fresh cart, and having both needing charging at the same time.

I chose an 808 kit based on three things: initial cost, mA, and correct thread.

Based on my needs, my criteria, the 808 is better in every way than the 510.

Others, quite obviously, have different needs and criteria.
 

Kevin Freeheart

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Feb 20, 2010
373
28
Live Free Or Die
I can't blame brick and mortar retailers. Frankly, look at all the threads on the ECF about which is the best and you'll realize two things.

First, the people who are most motivated to make the best decision are the people who will be vaping. And those people don't agree. So, why would some retailer, who isn't vaping and is probably carrying more than just that product, motivated to sell the best one? They're likely not.

The second things is that the people on this forum are likely some of the best informed vapers in the world and THEY don't agree.

Additionally, my personal experience is that the different styles of attys generally have little impact on what I vape. A 901 or a 510 atty both vape a good juice off of a good battery pretty well. I prefer 510 over the 901 mainly because of the air-hole and mess. But I seldom, if ever, see people ask for "the least messy" atty - they want the one that keeps them off of analogs the best.

But, and here's a big part of what I think impacts it, I think there's a subtle but VERY impacting difference between "e-cigarettes" and "personal vaporizers". We're vapers, we know what make a good vape. But what makes a good vape is (predominantly) NOT what makes a good replacement for analogs. If the brick and mortar vendors were selling good vapes, you'd likely see a few modular parts sold coupled with good juice rather than a device that's called an "electronic cigarette" and vaguely resembles one too.

As to the non-brick and mortars, we'll I think there's also the entire "brand differentiation" thing. A lot of the best vendors on here sell different models of vaporizers - batteries, atties, all that. And they couple it with good juice. I also notice a trend that the vendors selling "electronic cigarettes" tend to sell only their pre-loaded carts, with their branding and only their brand of "cig-a-like" juice. I think it all speaks to that subtle difference between good vapes and fake cigs.
 

GoodDog

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 31, 2009
4,160
1,008
SF East Bay
My first ecig was a PureSmoke from a smoke shop. I really wanted to quit smoking but had never been successful. Even though it tasted bad and was a pain to use I was thrilled because I thought it was the only ecig available... but I REALLY wanted to quit cigs. I went to the PureSmoke (not PureSmoker) website to see if there was a way to refill them and was told that a guy on YouYube has a video about it. From the video I searched and found ECF and was shocked to find out there were so many options.

I think it's different now then it was a year ago and more people have heard about ecigs. But I'm still surprised when I ask a smoker if they have tried an ecig and they say they bought one and didn't like it. At that point they don't want to talk about it any more and are turned off to vaping. My success came from the desire to stop smoking and then finding ECF. I feel bad for the people that don't research and learn about the different options available. I'm afraid some will never try them again because of the inferior model they tried and thinking they're all the same.
 

xg4bx

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Aug 5, 2010
1,216
403
Phillipsburg, New Jersey
there needs to be a legitimate user review site out there, kind of like a Rotten Tomatoes for e-cigarettes except with amazon-style user reviews. everyone comes at things with their own preferences and biases so it would be nice to see opinions in one easy to use format. in other words, something that isn't a phony shill site set up by a manufacturer.
 

JonnyVapΣ

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 23, 2010
1,778
177
49
Rochester NY
What about e-cig-reviews? He seems legit, even though his teeth just end up drawing my attention to him, lol.

Scott does very good reviews. Very popular. Very knowledgeable.
Also popular; GrimmGreen. He does nice reviews but he's a little uneducated on the actual 'nuts n bolts' side of the hardware. I really like Nick Green as 'Nick'. Great personality but he kinda lost me the first time he said "mah" (mAh aka; milliampere hour aka; m-A-h). A 'good' reviewer should know the basics of which they're reviewing.
 

Zen~

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Sep 12, 2010
6,024
21,316
Spencerport, NY
JonnyVapΣ;2412489 said:
Scott does very good reviews. Very popular. Very knowledgeable.
Also popular; GrimmGreen. He does nice reviews but he's a little uneducated on the actual 'nuts n bolts' side of the hardware. I really like Nick Green as 'Nick'. Great personality but he kinda lost me the first time he said "mah" (mAh aka; milliampere hour aka; m-A-h). A 'good' reviewer should know the basics of which they're reviewing.

I enjoy Grimm greens reviews, he lost me at Maaaa as well... But that aside, his videos are approachable and his enthusiasm is contagious.

But I also agree that it doesn't really matter if you start out with a gas station eCig or a genuine Joye 510... It matters that you start, and I've seen so many start that are not committed to quitting, so they blame the eCig for the failure. I've seen the exact same eCig work for one person, and fail with another. It all comes down to commitment and desire to stop smoking.

Personally, I never thought I would quit smoking. I started vaping on a relative whim... A week later I was smoke free.

I have purchased everything under the sun, from blu to Njoy, and from 510s to ProVari, and everything in between. At one point I had 40 PVs in my house, and I've owned over 60. I can make ALL of them produce satisfying and acceptable vapor now that I know what I'm doing.

So, why isn't everything 510?

If I was going to choose, everything would be 801 or 901. I prefer those thread styles to the 510.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread