Is there an alternative to PG and VG?
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The only thing I've heard of is what five pawns is working on:
https://fivepawns.com/five-pawns-to-introduce-a-new-line-of-pg-alternative-vapor-liquids/
I have no take on it - know nothing more about it .. -Mags
https://fivepawns.com/five-pawns-to-introduce-a-new-line-of-pg-alternative-vapor-liquids/
I have no take on it - know nothing more about it .. -Mags
Well, there's this:
TheraPure-RX(tm): 100% plant matrix of organic Sea Algae, Andean Orchid, Benign Coltsfoot, Corn, Banana Leaf, Mullein Leaf, Nettle, and Yarrow.
See more HERE.
No PG or VG in the mix. Have I tried it? No.
TheraPure-RX(tm): 100% plant matrix of organic Sea Algae, Andean Orchid, Benign Coltsfoot, Corn, Banana Leaf, Mullein Leaf, Nettle, and Yarrow.
See more HERE.
No PG or VG in the mix. Have I tried it? No.
"100% Natural e-liquid Alternative
No Propylene Glycol • No Carcinogenic Residues • No Synthetic Chemicals
Bio-based • Sustainable • Friendly Farmed • Renewable
Clean & Pure vape Experience • Pharmaceutical Grade Botanicals
100% Renewable Plant and Flower Extracts"
I can't find the no VG part. What are they dispersing all the herbs and spices in?
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Mike
From their FAQ:
"What’s in TheraPur-RX™?
The base is made from a complex matrix of 100% plant-based ingredients. It contains none of your typical PG, VG, or PEG bases. "
I kind of want to try some juice based on that TheraPur-RX base. Found Matchless Vapor uses it in their juice line. http://matchless-vapor.myshopify.com/
"It contains none of your typical PG, VG, or PEG bases."
Correct me if I am wrong but, this says it does contain these bases, they are just
not your typical PG, VG, or PEG bases. Are they a complex matrix of three (count them, three)
ingredients?
Regards
Mike
I guess I should have quoted their entire statement:
"The base is made from a complex matrix of 100% plant-based ingredients. It contains none of your typical PG, VG, or PEG bases. Instead, we’ve used organic ingredients like Sea Algae, Andean Orchids, Benign Coltsfoot, Corn, Banana Leaf, Mullein Leaf, Nettle, and Yarrow Flower. No synthetic chemical solvents are used during any stage of material extraction."
PG is PG. VG is VG. PEG is PEG.
Propylene oxide and water are the raw materials used for Propylene Glycol USP/EP production. Propylene oxide is produced internally by Dow using a continuous process, utilizing petroleum or inorganic derived raw materials. The water used is obtained from steam condensation.
Vegetable Glycerin (VG) Explained
Glycerin,also known as glycerol, is an organic compound of carbon, hydrogen and oxygenwith the chemical formula C3H8O3.
It is produced industrially, usually as a by-product of soap manufacture, from oils and fats.
It can be made from animal fat or, in the case of vegetable glycerin, vegetable oil.
The source of the raw material does not affect the chemistry of the final product,but, since glycerin is widely used in foods and medications, this distinctionis important for vegetarians.
It is also used as a sweetener and as aningredient in a number of cosmetic products.
Vegetable glycerin can also be made directly from vegetable oil, often coconut or palm oil, by heating it to a high temperature under pressure with water
"The source of the raw material does not affect the chemistry of the final product,"
This is true of PG also. I am not sure PEG is being used much anymore.
Can any one tell me why this stuff is so special? By the end of the process its the same
as any one can get anywhere.
Regards
Mike
The key word there is "typical". It is just legal speak their PG/VG is slightly atypical in some way.
Yeah, when Googled, it shows that their Natural Acne treatment is the same as other brands on the market. Not impressed here.
I do think that using PG and VG is a great thing so far.
I do think that using PG and VG is a great thing so far.
Coltsfoot, Mullein, Nettle, and Yarrow all have medicinal properties. Could be good or bad depending... Do your own homework please!
Hope the Corn is GMO free
I'm not here to advocate for Apex Base Labs. I've never tried their vapor product (though I did note that Matchless is now retailing liquid that uses it). I was just answering the OP's question.
But if you think it's not PG- and VG-free (by claim, at least), you didn't closely read the page I linked. Here's some quotes:
"No Propylene Glycol"
"Retains a low viscosity while producing large amounts of dense, white vapor without the addition of Vegetable Glycerin" (emphasis added)
Oh, and there's really no need to bash away with rampant speculation, if you're really interested:
"Submit your questions, concerns, and inquiries to info at apexbaselabs dot com" (address modified)
But if you think it's not PG- and VG-free (by claim, at least), you didn't closely read the page I linked. Here's some quotes:
"No Propylene Glycol"
"Retains a low viscosity while producing large amounts of dense, white vapor without the addition of Vegetable Glycerin" (emphasis added)
Oh, and there's really no need to bash away with rampant speculation, if you're really interested:
"Submit your questions, concerns, and inquiries to info at apexbaselabs dot com" (address modified)
I'm personally okay with the current VG/PG standards. I'm fortunate enough to be able to tolerate 70% PG down to 0% PG mixes regularly, but I know this is not the case for a lot of vapers here. I'd be willing to try some new stuff though purely for conveying results back to you lovely people <3
<3The leaves or mature flowers of coltsfoot (Tussilago farfara L) have a long history of use in European traditional medicine for the treatment of respiratory complaints. Even the generic name is derived from tussis, the Latin word for cough. In Chin
With recent developments in analytical chemistry, traces of pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs) have been detected in the aerial parts of coltsfoot. Since many PAs are hepatotoxic and may be carcinogenic, this has created concern over the safety of human use of coltsfoot. It is likely that the Australian Government will soon take steps to ban its use.
From: http://www.encognitive.com/node/14765
With recent developments in analytical chemistry, traces of pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs) have been detected in the aerial parts of coltsfoot. Since many PAs are hepatotoxic and may be carcinogenic, this has created concern over the safety of human use of coltsfoot. It is likely that the Australian Government will soon take steps to ban its use.
From: http://www.encognitive.com/node/14765
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