Is Vape the same thing as smoke?

[llmercll]

Is there any burning going on while smoking an e cig? I read that almost anything that gets burned is a carcinogen, which is why I ask.

How exactly does that liquid get turned into smoke? Is it "boiled"?

thanks!

 

[acv987]

It works like steam. The liquid is heated until it turns into a gas, then it is inhaled. There is no burning taking place.

 

[llmercll]

Ok that sounds good =)

Has anyone here been smoking for years? Have there been any reports of people dying from pv?

VG and PG is considered food and cosmetic safe, but going through a chemical change and inhaling it could make it potentially lethal, no?

Things like itching and dry throat isn't too bad, but some mentioned atrial fibrillation and respiratory distress after a year or two, and thats serious stuff...

I've been reading on this forum and now I'm a little scared =/

 

[Grammie]

Ok that sounds good =)

Has anyone here been smoking for years? 40+ years


Have there been any reports of people dying from pv? No

VG and PG is considered food and cosmetic safe, but going through a chemical change and inhaling it could make it potentially lethal, no? No, if you listen to advice you'll find all over ECF

Things like itching and dry throat isn't too bad, but some mentioned atrial fibrillation and respiratory distress after a year or two, and thats serious stuff... Comes from getting older, medical family history. You'll hear and read lots of things, same as with real cigarettes. Haven't you heard cigarettes cause every disease, sickness found?

I've been reading on this forum and now I'm a little scared =/

Vaping is IMO, 99.9% safer than smoking real cigarettes. Nicotine is very similar to caffenine, addicting. But, now that we vape we do NOT get the 1000's of bad stuff from real cigarettes. Combustion/fire create all the uglies with real cigs. There is no fire or combustion with e-cigs.

 

[Stevew443]

I just did a search on vaporized PG and found an interesting study done in 1942 that showed that inhaled PG prevented respiratory diseases.
I smoked for 40 years, and I have been using my pv on and off (mostly on) for just over a year now. I have experienced no ill effects. I am under a doctor's care for other problems, and my doctor knows that I use a pv, and he has given me his 100% approval for its continued use. In fact, he is researching into pv's a bit more deeply so that he can suggest them to smokers who wish to stop.
One other thing to consider too, is that PG is vaporized for delivery of medication for people with respiratory ailments. It has been used in that manner for decades with no ill effects. I hear that a very few folks have an allergic reaction to PG, but evidently that is rare.

My suggestion, if you have any question about the safety of vaping, then don't do it. Nothing in life is risk free. Every breath I take exposes me to risks. My decision was that using a pv exposed me to far fewer risks than did smoking. I weighed the risks and made an informed decision. Research, study, look things up for yourself and make your own decision.

 

[yvilla]

VG and PG is considered food and cosmetic safe, but going through a chemical change and inhaling it could make it potentially lethal, no?

Burning causes a chemical change, via the mechanism of oxidation. That's why smoke contains literally thousands of chemicals, many highly toxic.

The change from a liquid to gas is solely a change in state. No new chemicals are formed in the vaporization process. It seems you may have forgotten your grade school science.

Things like itching and dry throat isn't too bad, but some mentioned atrial fibrillation and respiratory distress after a year or two, and thats serious stuff...

I've been reading on this forum and now I'm a little scared =/

You must not have fully read the post of the guy who was diagnosed with atrial fibrilation, and you are spreading your own very misleading and damaging misunderstanding here. Please take care to not do that in future! This is what he actually said:

Went to get it checked out; was given an event monitor to wear; monitored/recorded several events; was diagnosed with atrial flutter/fibrillation; put on drugs to control heart-rate/rhythm with mild mixed success.

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Which leads me to wonder what might be contributing to this or am I just genetically susceptible? Naturally it has led me to question everything I do, including vaping. And I have of course specifically questioned my doctors about my PV use, and they seem to unanimously think that it is NOT a contributing factor.

As for the "respiratory distress" you mention, I don't know whose posting you took that from, but there are hundreds of posts throughout this forum regarding documented health improvements, of all sorts, for people who previously smoked for years and switched to vaping. Including reports, for example, of people with diagnosed COPD experiencing remarkable improvement in their respiratory capacity, as evidenced by doctor visits and actual testing.

While some small percentage of people may experience allergic reactions to PG, they are a very tiny minority among the population of vapers as a whole. Nor am I aware of any documented case of "respiratory distress" from vaping other than possibly such allergic reactions to PG.

 

[llmercll]

Thanks for clearing things up!

I did forget my high school science it seems =p

I didn't notice that Douglas asked his doctors about the pv either. Now I'm feeling stoopid =(

I read about the respiratory issues here

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...aping-more-harm-then-good-me-yes-im-done.html

It's very good to know most doctors recommend it. They would know more than most of the effects substances have on our bodies, and that's reassuring.

I'm not a heavy smoker at all, and usually smoke a pack or two a week. I suffer from social anxiety and always found smoking to help channel that anxiety. But the cost (I don't smoke much but packs are almost $10 in NY) and known negative health effects were starting to get to me.

Since pv is relatively new I guess I'm just afraid in 10 years we'll all be dying because of it, where maybe we'd be dying in 20 if we stuck with analogs =p

But I don't know, which is why I was asking for input of more knowledgeable members =)

Are there any "symptoms" I should look out for after starting? I'm really excited my kit from liberty flights shipped today I should be getting it very soon!

 

[yvilla]

llmercll, sorry to have been so tough on you. But the dissemination of misinformation about vaping (most often by the rabid anti-tobacco at all costs - quit or die - groups) really gets to me, and I hate to see it happen here too.

I'm quite familiar with that "more harm" thread - and that's why I emphasized the word "documented" (or the lack of documentation) when referring to supposed/alleged (and sometimes downright psychosomatic) ill effects of vaping, versus the health improvements we've also often seen reported.

Did you see the quite long sticky thread at the top of this very subforum? It's here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

The revised first post has quite a long list of things you can possibly expect (please note the emphasis on "possibly", however). And it also explains that many so called "symptoms" of just beginning vapers can actually be attributed to nicotine withdrawal, as vaping may indeed deliver less nicotine than a beginner vaper might realize. Dr. Laugesen's estimate is actually about 10% of what you might expect from a combusted cigarette, when measured puff for puff. That is, generally, a vaper might need ten puffs from an ecig to obtain the equivalent nicotine delivery from one puff of a combusted cigarette.

 

[llmercll]

It's ok, I understand =)

That makes a lot of sense, the majority of "symptoms" actually aren't caused by the vaping as much as the nictone withdrawal that goes with quitting analogs. It's easy to see how people can be confused =p

Considering I have little or no nicotine dependency, It will be interesting to see what, if any, side effects I will experience. Hopefully none!

Since everything is speculation at this point, are there any theorized conditions or illness' that could result from vaping? Or is it currently considered to be harmless?

I guess the bottom line is it's either e-cig, analog, or nothing. And it would be quite an accomplishment for something to be worse for your body than analogs!

thanks!

 

[yvilla]

I don't think anyone would consider vaping to be 100% "harmless". It's all a question of degree.

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor and a stimulant. Similar to caffeine in its effects, actually. There are those who would be probably better off not intaking nicotine. Just as there are those who would probably be better off not intaking caffeine (or fats, refined sugar, glutens, alcohol, or substitute anyhing at all here that could have potentially harmful health effects, depending, of course, on amount used too).

But the worst of the cardiovascular impacts of smoking come from NOT just the nicotine, but from its delivery mechanism, smoke, containing the thousands of dangerous byproducts of combustion, specifically including carbon monoxide and its tendency to deprive the body of oxygen. Plus, there is decades of research on both snus use in Sweden, and now also on the pharmaceutical use of nicotine replacement therapy products, demonstrating that those cardiovascular health impacts from smoking are NOT generally seen with nicotine intake alone, once the smoke itself is removed from the equation. See, for example:
Harm Reduction Journal | Full text | Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers, and
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...ec6724a3d38c957ec222e1e7992&ie=/sdarticle.pdf, and
http://www.aaphp.org/Resources/Documents/20081026HarmReductionResolutionAsPassedl.pdf

Therefore, those experts not blinded by an unreasoned hatred of anything at all to do with tobacco, or resembling tobacco use, or perhaps only by their financial interests in competing pharmaceutical nicotine products, generally agree that electronic cigarettes reduce the risks of smoking by about 98 or 99%. And that they have the potential to save millions of lives. See, for example:
http://www.aaphp.org/Resources/Documents/20100207FDAPetition1.pdf, and
http://www.ajpmonline.org/webfiles/images/journals/AMEPRE/AMEPRE3013.pdf

Nor, based on what is known about the composition of eliquid and the delivery mechanism of ecigs, is there any reason to believe, or evidence of, any specific conditions or ill effects likely to be "caused" by vaping.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

If people were as conscious of the health effects of smoking as they seem to be of vaping, they would never have smoked that first cigarette. Ingrowing toenail? Must be the vaping. Hair greying a little? Must be the vaping. Ignore the doomsayers llmercil.
Avoid oils and diacetyl, those are the two golden rules. That's not to say that one experimental 10ml bottle of clove or popcorn flavour will hurt you, and minute amts of both are probably unavoidable and relatively harmless, but neither is great in multitude.
If the PG and VG is a problem, then by all means decide that its not for you. Some have a reaction to PG and VG, but most don't. I've been vaping 2 years and feel great.

 

[jlarsen]

There is very, very little or no burning associated with ecigs. Sometimes a very small amount of wicking material gets burned. PG and VG can change chemically into toxic substances, AT VERY HIGH TEMPS ONLY. I know others here would disagree with me, but I wouldn't use a high voltage PV, or a low resistance atomizer. The only complaints of burnt tastes (other than when improper wicking is occuring, or dripped attys run dry) is with high voltage and/or LR attys.

I always get plenty of vapor and nicotine with a regular 3.7V system and 2.5ohm atomizers - and I never get any burning (as long as I index my carts, when I use carts), I've never had any filler in my carts burn, and my juices don't taste burnt.

 

[llmercll]

Is there any visual sign that a carto has gone dry or do you just need to taste it?

Also, is plain Glycerin safe? Like the HUMCO stuff from walmart? It just says 99.5% Glycerin, it doesn't specify vegetable.

thanks!

 

[llmercll]

I got my e cig today!! It's absolutely wonderful!

I've been vaping all day and the only negative effect I can think of is a slightly dry throat. The taste is great! I'm amazing how similar it is to smoking a cig, without all the bad stuff. My hands clothes hair smelled perfectly normal. There was no smell in the place i vaped, and no cough or phlegm.

I've only tried two flavors, but cola is awesome. Even my non smoker friend tried it and wouldn't give it back, lol.

All in all I'm very happy. No side effects at all, and my lungs don't feel all bogged down like they do after smoking analogs. I estimated I smoked about a pack today and used up a little less than 2ml. That's like 60 cents a pack!

 

[Stevew443]

I got my e cig today!! It's absolutely wonderful!

I've been vaping all day and the only negative effect I can think of is a slightly dry throat. The taste is great! I'm amazing how similar it is to smoking a cig, without all the bad stuff. My hands clothes hair smelled perfectly normal. There was no smell in the place i vaped, and no cough or phlegm.

I've only tried two flavors, but cola is awesome. Even my non smoker friend tried it and wouldn't give it back, lol.

All in all I'm very happy. No side effects at all, and my lungs don't feel all bogged down like they do after smoking analogs. I estimated I smoked about a pack today and used up a little less than 2ml. That's like 60 cents a pack!

I am so very happy that you are having good results with this. And the neat thing I have found is... it only gets better. Just wait until the toxins are out of your body. You will start to feel great.

 

[JW50]

A suggestion - if not dependent on nicotine - then use zero nicotine juice. My believe is that nicotine has greater harm potential than caffine. By if your OK without that nicotine, no one but you will be the wiser unless you wish for it to be known. In terms of reduced risks, vaping without nic has less health risk than vaping with it.

 

[earthpig]

If you have heart issues, high blood psi or issues where nicotine (or even caffeine ) might be an issue, consult a doctor (a reliable one who knows what these are) for more info.

That said, these are by rights far safer than cigs, but it is "Harm reduction" NOT "Harm elimination". I could go into the % of safety by comparison, which is speculated to be 100-1400X safer. Jury's out still and it depends on what you smoke(d).

There can be some burning of catro filler material and even that of specific flavor components. Cartomizers (dry) hit in the neighborhood of 480 deg, F. Some components cannot survive just being steamed. I would say that it is quite flavor specific and also some notice with higher voltage vaping, some burn happens to the fluids, etc. This is by comparison to cigs,,,SOO Minimal !! The trade offs are drastic, and with careful choices can be reduced to next to nothing.

Lower voltages/higher ohm carto, atomizers,,, and watching for flavor taste changes can reduce most if not nearly all of the ill effects.
Just be aware of them.

Smoked Pork

 

[TropicalBob]

I have got to be the senior member now on this forum. I'm over three years of daily, non-stop use of e-smoking products (still use an e-pipe and e-cigar every day in addition to my many e-cigs). My health is superb now, after I quit 50 years of cigarette smoking (30 a day). Pulse, BP, cholesterol -- all great. Now .. I do use snus daily, and dissolvables and nasal snuff. E-smoking has never satisfied my nicotine addiction. But I couldn't do without it, either, for habit if nothing else.

Let us not forget here that not only is PG and VG safe and possibly downright beneficial as an inhaled vapor (see 1941 studies) but nicotine itself is associated with a decreased risk of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Do not tell me nicotine is a problem! It doesn't do anything to your arteries that a walk around the block or a scary movie does.

Yes, I'm a believer. We have a good thing here.

 

[StormFinch]

As to the slightly dry throat, make sure you increase your fluid intake, anything non-caffeinated. Vaping can dehydrate you, so do your best to avoid it.

On an unrelated note; TropicalBob! Missed you.

 

[yvilla]

Hey TBob, I'm with Storm here - long time no see!