Is vaping at over 10w dangerous for health??

[addamvaper]

Your friend didn't research anything. He found some terms and applied an opinion and fed it to you. You don't have to win every argument.

Thanks man

 

[addamvaper]

But the issue is this, those liquids need higher watts to get them to be optimal, which then you risk decomposing of the VG to Acrolin. Is this true?

 

[Ou2mame]

No, because watts don't mean anything alone. It's not the watts it's the temp and the temp is decided by the voltage and coil ohm. The watts are just how you get there.

 

[Alien Traveler]

But the issue is this, those liquids need higher watts to get them to be optimal, which then you risk decomposing of the VG to Acrolin. Is this true?

It's an interesting question. I am not a chemist, I do not know answer, I would not vape pure VG. But definitely no danger in vaping somewhat diluted VG, does not matter how many watts.

 

[Dopefish]

Sounds like your buddy is regurgitating some article that he found online. As far as good research goes, any (and I do many ANY) article you find online where the majority of their information comes from sources that might have a stake in big pharma or big tobacco should be thrown out on principle, those studies are generally biased and the info tends to be cherry picked

 

[Ou2mame]

Acrolein may form during a dry hit. Dry hits taste gross, as does Acrolein itself. So there's no risk. We don't vape to those temps. Watts don't matter.

 

[Ou2mame]

Tell your science friend to learn how electricity works before he attempts to understand chemicals formed and not formed by electricity when it comes into contact with various materials.

 

[Hitcat44]

Watts are the initial INPUT but they are Not the Primary Determinate of the OUTPUT. They only provide the Speed and/or Efficiency with which one gets there.
Volts & Ohms are the Internals of the "machine" that truly determine and dictate the Output/Vapor.
So, tell your Bud to stop gloom & doom whine-bagging about the Watts.
The hidden Terror and Demon of it all is those damned Volts & Ohms and we are all just Vape-Zombies obfuscating the Danger in order to assimilate more into our Collective....
Also, he might want to consider filing Suit against the School that taught him "Science"

Reasoning with a Person such as he is tantamount to arguing with a Brick.
Just refuse to participate in the Exercise in Futility. Then Smile and Vape On! (in excess of 10 Watts of course)...

 

[Oliver]

Please pass this link on to your friend The deception of measuring formaldehyde in e-cigarette aerosol: the difference between laboratory measurements and true exposure

And this follow up: Verified: formaldehyde levels found in the NEJM study were associated with dry puff conditions. An update

 

[addamvaper]

Please pass this link on to your friend The deception of measuring formaldehyde in e-cigarette aerosol: the difference between laboratory measurements and true exposure

And this follow up: Verified: formaldehyde levels found in the NEJM study were associated with dry puff conditions. An update

Many thanks for this Smokey, i appreciate your input very much

 

[edyle]

Another newbie question from me, apologies if it annoys anyone....

My friend is a science major and he told me the following when i told him i am using a Kanger subtank nano with a 0.5 ohm coil:

"you are vaping at a very high wattage, these are wattage settings that are not safe for consumers, most do not know about it, and the standard and safe vaping range for most is 6w-10w. Many E liquids are made for optimal performance within that range. People vape above 10W because they want to get more cloud, and when you want more cloud, companies just put a crap load of VG in their liquid so it gives insane vapor but you have to vape it at above 10 or 15w to even get the juice to vape well

If you look at the liquids referenced they use 50%-80% VG. VG needs high temp to vape, doesn't vape well in standard mods and needs high watts to vape to get flavor, that is why you can "taste" them better at higher watts.Not many people carry a sub ohm tank and a battery that can go up to 8V. 10W and above is burning the eliquid. At 7-8W you will get a good hit and a good cloud. It will not be insane cloud, but compared to normal smoking its better cloud. VG is like oil and dulls the taste and sweetens everything, and you have to heat it a lot, to get flavor, but thus it becomes hazardous to the persons health."

He also said regarding flavors in ejuice:

"In addition, a lot of the flavors out there are produced with chemicals that are known to be toxic or they are finding to be toxic (anything with cream, butter and cinnamon flavors are red flags for now), and will eventually be dropped and banned by the FDA."

He seems to know what he is talking about and he has got me reaching for my old skool clearomizer with the dry hits and ego pen style battery.

Can forum members offer me some insights and guidance on these two points. Much appreciative of your time.

Your friend obviously does not know that two different 1 ohm coils can be completely different.
One 1 ohm coil might be 30 gauge single coil running optimally around 5 watts,
and the other 1 ohm coil might be 28 gauge dual coil running optimally around 40 watts

 

[Dampmaskin]

As others have pointed out already, acrolein and other nasty stuff is formed at certain temperatures. Not at a certain power (wattage). Power is just one of many factors that play together to determine what temperature the e-liquid will reach.

The notion that the difference between safe vaping and unsafe vaping can be described in terms of the power applied to the coil, is a gross and misleading oversimplification.

 

[Ou2mame]

As others have pointed out already, acrolein and other nasty stuff is formed at certain temperatures. Not at a certain power (wattage). Power is just one of many factors that play together to determine what temperature the e-liquid will reach.

The notion that the difference between safe vaping and unsafe vaping can be described in terms of the power applied to the coil, is a gross and misleading oversimplification.

It's beyond misleading, it's completely not true. I can dry hit a 10w setup just as easily as a 100w setup. Run out of juice or have a defective setup. Either way it tastes gross and one hit is one hit too many.

 

[k702]

10 watts is such a random number. Especially considering the actual resulting temperature of the coil would change based off of the resistance of the coil.

 

[Cullin Kin]

About watts:
You can boil a small pot of water on a 200 W stove.
You can boil a big pot of water on a 2,000 W stove.
Result will be the same: temperature of water will be 212°F (100°C).
The same story with juice when it transforms in vapor.

P.S. Science major should know that.
But inhaling huge amounts of VG, PG and flavorings...

This.

 

[gandymarsh]

7 watts on my dual coil 22 gauge build isnt even going to get them hot enough to do anything. 7 watts on a 32 gauge coil is probably going to burn the juice pretty bad. If he can't understand that, he hasn't done much research.

Tell him to think of the different wires as different sized pots of water. The 32 gauge wire is incredibly thin, so we will consider it to be a tiny pot with a cup of water in it. The 22 gauge wire is pretty thick, so we will think of it as a large pot with over a gallon of water in it. The wattage we will think of as a flame that is trying to boil the water. If you put that little pot on the stove on low heat, it is going to boil soon. If you put that large pot on the same heat, it is going to take a lot longer to boil. The exact same thing applies to the wire. Larger wire requires more power to heat up. If you don't use enough power, it will never get hot enough to boil the juice.

That's the best analogy I've seen to date.

 

[chuckinclouds88]

Another newbie question from me, apologies if it annoys anyone....

My friend is a science major and he told me the following when i told him i am using a Kanger subtank nano with a 0.5 ohm coil:

"you are vaping at a very high wattage, these are wattage settings that are not safe for consumers, most do not know about it, and the standard and safe vaping range for most is 6w-10w. Many E liquids are made for optimal performance within that range. People vape above 10W because they want to get more cloud, and when you want more cloud, companies just put a crap load of VG in their liquid so it gives insane vapor but you have to vape it at above 10 or 15w to even get the juice to vape well

If you look at the liquids referenced they use 50%-80% VG. VG needs high temp to vape, doesn't vape well in standard mods and needs high watts to vape to get flavor, that is why you can "taste" them better at higher watts.Not many people carry a sub ohm tank and a battery that can go up to 8V. 10W and above is burning the eliquid. At 7-8W you will get a good hit and a good cloud. It will not be insane cloud, but compared to normal smoking its better cloud. VG is like oil and dulls the taste and sweetens everything, and you have to heat it a lot, to get flavor, but thus it becomes hazardous to the persons health."

He also said regarding flavors in ejuice:

"In addition, a lot of the flavors out there are produced with chemicals that are known to be toxic or they are finding to be toxic (anything with cream, butter and cinnamon flavors are red flags for now), and will eventually be dropped and banned by the FDA."

He seems to know what he is talking about and he has got me reaching for my old skool clearomizer with the dry hits and ego pen style battery.

Can forum members offer me some insights and guidance on these two points. Much appreciative of your time.

You think he seems to know what he is talking about because he's probably using big words to you. It's normal for people who don't have an understanding to be led astray by people with a limited understanding. He litters his response to you with little truths that make it seem like he may have some understanding of the subject. The truth is, we know that VG and PG and nicotine can be inhaled without any significant adverse effects. We're not 100% sure about flavorings at the moment, but we estimate that the butter and cream flavors may have some adverse effects. The fact remains that high wattage doesn't necessarily relate to high temperature so your friend seems a little confused. Watts are a unit of power, not temperature.

 

[evan le'garde]

Plenty of valid points above.

Again i have to mention fog machines.

"Commercial fog machines ?"

Enough said !.

I've never heard of anyone getting poisoned from a fog machine.

 

[PressPlayVape]

I don't think he's far off on the flavors, I think the FDA will restrict flavorings containing Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl eventually which is probably better off for everyone. A lot of companies are starting to test for themselves already and it's not a necessary ingredient at all.

 

[NYNURSE]

Not wanting to jack the thread, but I would like to thank everyone for mentioning Ohms Law. A concept I fully understand but have yet to be able to recite it with any great accuracy. I have just spent the last hour reviewing it, only to know that I will forever be thankful for preprinted charts.