Is vaping doomed

[Hitmetwice]

Sign the petition, stop the ban on vapourizers in Ontario here...Stop Bill 45 from banning Vaporizers - Randy Hillier MPP

Here is one for all the yanks to sign....https://www.change.org/p/united-sta...=email&utm_campaign=supporter_signatures_5000

 

[Marc411]

I believe in the old adage “fight fire with fire”!

CASAA and SFATA will be as strong as we allow them to be, we need to lobby the government the same way BT and BP have for many years. That means that we have to stop talking and back CASAA and SFATA with financial support.

More studies are produced every day that clearly show that vaping is safer alternative and evidence shows it’s moving the masses away from combustible tobacco, including the next generation of smokers. We can talk about the benefits forever but until we have a strong presence in Washington forcing the government to see the truth I believe are fate is being handed over to BT and BP. The writing is on the wall sports fans, Chantix is killing people and it's FDA approved. vaping is a safer alternative but they don’t care, it will generate less revenue.

Buy one less 30ml bottle of liquid or DIY flavoring, send that money to CASAA or SFATA. Give them the voice of the people. We still need to do our part but we need a presence in Washington and unfortunately that costs money.

For what it’s worth I’m not just talking out my… you know. I support CASSA and will continue to but we need representation on the hill and that takes cash!

If all we do is talk about it we will just allow them to continue to take away our freedoms.

We need a unified voice to represent us!

 

[cinetrope]

Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and government regulators all know that the vaping community is splintered and ineffective when presented with the opportunity to speak up in defense of their rights. During the comment period regarding the FDA "Deeming Regs" a total of 81,000 comments were received, 5,500 of them included the word "vaping" and it is entirely possible that many of these were anti-vaping. A YouTube battery review pulls bigger numbers than this in it's first day. We had 120 days to join together and let our voices be heard. Is vaping doomed? I'm not sure if I'd say that, but when a population that numbers in the millions is only capable of such a relatively apathetic showing it sends the wrong message to the people who are calling the shots. Join CASAA, send them a donation if you can afford to. Get on their emailing list and respond to CTAs that will impact you. Patronize establishments that are SFATA supporters. Preventing restrictive regulation won't be easy but overturning it will be much more difficult.

 

[Hitmetwice]

The future of vaping by twisted 420....

 

[Cloud Waves]

Here is an excerpt from the bill that will be passed in our Province.
If anyone bothers to even read it, you'll see they are anti vaping big time.
No online sales/advertising. No advertising at all in fact. A vendor will not even be able to speak to the customer about a device until AFTER the purchase.

This is WAR folks, fight, fight hard, or lose. It's all up to YOU! Don't remain in denial!

Scroll down to Schedule 3...Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Current Parliament | Bill 45, Making Healthier Choices Act, 2015

Most vapers cannot even be bothered enough to read the bill let alone do anything about these
travesties. Shameful.

Looks like I won't be able to vape when I visit my family in Ontario this winter afterall.. Oh well, at least I don't vape nic juice so I've never been addicted.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Looks like I won't be able to vape when I visit my family in Ontario this winter afterall.. Oh well, at least I don't vape nic juice so I've never been addicted.

You'll be able to vape, just in smoking areas, homes, in a car as long as no one under 16 is in it.
If you pop into a vape shop there will be nothing on display and will have to make a purchase before the vendor is allowed to show you the device or speak with you about it. It is a workplace however, so no vaping allowed in the vape shop.
But this is just the start, our rights will be squashed just like what happened to "smokers rights"
The right to pay through the nose is about all that's left.

BTW. Why would you wanna come up here in the winter? Snowmobiling, skiing? Cheers.

 

[Rizzyking]

Vaping is in for a very rough ride and could take years to come out the other side obviously the main concern are those smokers who will not have the alternative. I absolutely agree that we should all use the term ecig whenever we're asked about our devices you can dislike it all you want but if it helps small price to pay. Our problem is this battle is being waged amongst the general non smoking non vaping public and the only chance we stand is to start engaging them en masse. CTA's are good but how many of the public do we inform with them we need vaping advertisement that put the truth out there rather as it is now where the propaganda is all oneway. Somehow we have to get a mass message out about the realities of vaping and some will say "they are not interested" and in vaping your right but what they absolutely hate and despise is being taken for idiots and being used.

 

[BluzKing]

When going through security at the Atlanta airport yesterday, I removed my vaping "traveling case" even though I was selected for "Pre-Check" which did not require me to take out any liquids, computer, etc from my carry on bag. As I was waiting, the TSA screener stopped my stuff on the belt and asked me " What is that?" Referring to my vaping case. I replied that it was my e-cigarettes and liquids, and she replied "Cool...I've never seen one like that before. Thanks for taking it out of your bag." For the record, it was a Segeli 150 and an IPV Mini II with several bottles of juice.

I've never liked the term "e-cigarette", but I'm beginning to think it may be our best option.

 

[AndriaD]

Looks like I won't be able to vape when I visit my family in Ontario this winter afterall.. Oh well, at least I don't vape nic juice so I've never been addicted.

Dunno what you mean; I just went and read it even though it's more than 1000 miles from me, and it doesn't forbid vaping in private homes.

Andria

 

[Ibitz]

I don't know about doomed ... however, I do believe things are about to become pretty grim for those who are not prepared.

"You are not prepared" Illidan Stormrage

 

[Cloud Waves]

You'll be able to vape, just in smoking areas, homes, in a car as long as no one under 16 is in it.
If you pop into a vape shop there will be nothing on display and will have to make a purchase before the vendor is allowed to show you the device or speak with you about it. It is a workplace however, so no vaping allowed in the vape shop.
But this is just the start, our rights will be squashed just like what happened to "smokers rights"
The right to pay through the nose is about all that's left.

BTW. Why would you wanna come up here in the winter? Snowmobiling, skiing? Cheers.

I live in Texas and it never snows here. We like to see the snow so we go in the winter.

 

[skoony]

I'm not sure I would Fully agree with BG is Unstoppable.

Will e-Liquids be Taxed. Yes... Yes they will. But should e-Liquids be Taxed at a Rate that is Higher than what a PAD Smoker pays?

Sometimes Winning is Stopping the Worst from Happening. And not Stopping Everything from Happening.

the worst will still happen,just a little further down the road.
the only way for any tax to go is up.
regards
mike

 

[Cloud Waves]

Dunno what you mean; I just went and read it even though it's more than 1000 miles from me, and it doesn't forbid vaping in private homes.

Andria

I'm talking about when I'm out and about up there. Like if I went to a mall or something. I'm not sure if my fam would be ok with me using it in their house. I've never brought it up there before.

 

[hiya0412]

I think (and I hope) vaping community amassed enough people to from a strong interest group to not get swept by unreasonable prohibition or regulation proposals. I welcome the reasonable and preferable regulation proposals like age limits, sanitation requirements, or prohibition of usage in restaurants, but something like 75% tax really puts me off.

 

[Hitmetwice]

I think (and I hope) vaping community amassed enough people to from a strong interest group to not get swept by unreasonable prohibition or regulation proposals. I welcome the reasonable and preferable regulation proposals like age limits, sanitation requirements, or prohibition of usage in restaurants, but something like 75% tax really puts me off.

I once held a like view as this. No regulation however is reasonable and preferable, WHY?
WRT age limits, kids will easily just smoke instead. Nothing harmful in ecigs. Is there age limits on energy drinks or coffee? NO, of course not, no age limit on vape please! Parents if you don't want your kid drinking coffee or energy drinks or vaping? Do you job as a parent! Don't let them!

Prohibition of use in restaurants? Like the owner of the establishment cannot set it's own policy?
They can! Regulation will take away this choice for them and they'll be fined if they don't toe the line and throw out a vaper if they refuse to stop. The decision to be vaping or not should be left up to the people that OWN the property or business. They did not do this with smoking but here is the thing...VAPING IS HARMLESS. A little bothersome at higher levels yes, but let the biz owners police it. They have the right to refuse service to anyone already!

In Ontario the legislation says nothing regarding sanitation only packaging. BTW this requirement "could mean "closed system" only! Cheers.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm talking about when I'm out and about up there. Like if I went to a mall or something. I'm not sure if my fam would be ok with me using it in their house. I've never brought it up there before.

I vape in my parents' home, and my mother has COPD -- in fact, she and I spent 5 hours last summer INSIDE HER CLOSET, rearranging her clothes, me vaping all the while, and she had ZERO problems with it. There is nothing offensive in probably 95% of all e-cig vapor -- though granted, there are a few flavors that don't smell too good, but as far as harmful... nope. Nada. I'm pretty sure if there was anything harmful, someone with COPD would be one of the very first to notice it.

My stepfather is recovering from a major heart attack and triple bypass surgery, and it also causes him no difficulties whatsoever.

Andria

 

[kaahn]

I once held a like view as this. No regulation however is reasonable and preferable, WHY?
WRT age limits, kids will easily just smoke instead. Nothing harmful in ecigs. Is there age limits on energy drinks or coffee? NO, of course not, no age limit on vape please! Parents if you don't want your kid drinking coffee or energy drinks or vaping? Do you job as a parent! Don't let them!

Prohibition of use in restaurants? Like the owner of the establishment cannot set it's own policy?
They can! Regulation will take away this choice for them and they'll be fined if they don't toe the line and throw out a vaper if they refuse to stop. The decision to be vaping or not should be left up to the people that OWN the property or business. They did not do this with smoking but here is the thing...VAPING IS HARMLESS. A little bothersome at higher levels yes, but let the biz owners police it. They have the right to refuse service to anyone already!

In Ontario the legislation says nothing regarding sanitation only packaging. BTW this requirement "could mean "closed system" only! Cheers.

I agree. I too felt the same way but have "seen the light". We do not need govt. to tell us when and how high to jump. Can't you make your own decisions? Can we not take care of our own kids how we see fit? How we spend our own money...how we donate that money? Not to be taxed so the govt can spend it the way they see fit...which is usually wrong and wasteful. We do not need to give an inch on anything that pertains to our personal lives. If we do they will continue to enlarge that grip over you. Govt has never met a tax it didn't like and very rarely abolishes any. The only change is up or more!

 

[Cloud Waves]

I vape in my parents' home, and my mother has COPD -- in fact, she and I spent 5 hours last summer INSIDE HER CLOSET, rearranging her clothes, me vaping all the while, and she had ZERO problems with it. There is nothing offensive in probably 95% of all e-cig vapor -- though granted, there are a few flavors that don't smell too good, but as far as harmful... nope. Nada. I'm pretty sure if there was anything harmful, someone with COPD would be one of the very first to notice it.

My stepfather is recovering from a major heart attack and triple bypass surgery, and it also causes him no difficulties whatsoever.

Andria

You'd be surprised. My dad when I vape in the house gets something that I could only describe as a coughing attack. He does the same whenever he is around strong perfumes. I don't think this is accurate but when he was vaping to quit analogs he developed ammonia. I can't attest to that being the cause of it but I can say it occured around the same time he was using his vape. I don't believe it cause I vape and have never had lung issues with it.

 

[CMD-Ky]

It certainly seems that way If big tobacco has there way all but cigalikes will be illegal in no time. It's Up to Us the People to stop this!
What happened to Free Country? Are we only Free to do as big business Wants? Sure Looks that way

Be careful who you vote for; if a politician cares for you then you can bet that "care" will come in the form of control. "Big business" is only frightening when its will is implemented by big government.

 

[RCHagy74]

Why would there be no ECF or social media vaping groups? Worst case scenario they ban flavors and tax us into oblivion. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it. There are internet forums dedicated to all kinds of illegal things.

Heard of the FCC's Net Neutrality rules?

FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler notes:

“The Order also includes a general conduct rule that can be used to stop new and novel threats to the Internet. That means there will be basic ground rules and a referee on the field to enforce them. If an action hurts consumers, competition, or innovation, the FCC will have the authority to throw the flag”.

When has the government ever not twisted rules to suit their needs? Many rules are so vague that they can enforce them however is wished.
Depending on how vaping is regulated and if such a provision is in the net neutrality rules, our voice here could be hampered or removed because BT and BP are our competition and they have the money to find a way to shut us down by using stupid rules like the above to their advantage.


Then again I am a cynical paranoid nut...