Is vapor made up of 99 % water? Supplier business card explanation for vaping

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So far this thread has almost 200 views and I'm not sure I see a definitive answer yet. I'm inclined to believe the supplier business card in not true. Still open to hearing some new info if anyone has something to add though.

I agree with you Pav that the card in question is not giving out accurate information. Other than Dr. Laugesen's various reports (http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf and http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf), we have very little solid information on the chemical makeup of ecig vapor.

All the more reason why everyone should be supporting the fund-raising going on for the IVAQS study, which should definitively answer many questions about the chenical composition of vapor, and how it affects the air quality of an enclosed space. See, IVAQS Project
 

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...In addition to what's said above, it's actually much less than 1% nicotine, according to the New Zealand study.

I can't find the link, but here is what I read.

About 98% of the nicotine in juice is absorbed before exhaling. So, you have 2% of the original nicotine content in exhaled vapor.
I vape 18mg, which is a fairly run-of-the-mill nic strength. So I'll just use that for demonstration.

18mg juice is 1.8% nicotine. 2% of that is .036% nicotine in exhaled vapor.

good to know, when im in public im still scared to vape around kids like i was with analogs. i feel a lil' better about it. ( little ones still dont need to see daddy or any grown-ups puffing on anything though). thanks for the info.
 

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I agree with you Pav that the card in question is not giving out accurate information. Other than Dr. Laugesen's various reports (http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf and http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf), we have very little solid information on the chemical makeup of ecig vapor.

All the more reason why everyone should be supporting the fund-raising going on for the IVAQS study, which should definitively answer many questions about the chenical composition of vapor, and how it affects the air quality of an enclosed space. See, IVAQS Project

Checking on that now. Sounds like a good idea.
 

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one more point. I'm boiling some water right now to make dinner. The steam from that is nothing like the vapor that I exhale after vaping. It dissipates very quickly. Why?

Wish I would have paid attention more in chemistry class!

H2O must be maintained @ hi-temp to remain in a gaseous state, while gaseous it does not contain the density to keep its temp constant & therefore dissipates rather quickly.
If it is water vapor that i inhale aren't I drowning myself... albeit slowly?
 

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PG/VG are humectants which means they absorb water from the air quite readily. The visible vapor is not the PG/VG but the water being absorbed from the surrounding air. Not sure what percentage of the exhaled vapor is water vs PG/VG by volume though.

If it were the case, wouldn't I be in a fog every time I opened my jug of PG/VG?
I'd hazard to guess that the amount of H2O surrounding you@ any given time is greater than the amount of exhaled PG/VG vapor you could possibly muster through a drag off your PV-- I believe your vape is absorbed by the surrounding air & that actually, the surrounding H2O is the reason your vapor just doesn't hang around all that long.
 

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one more point. I'm boiling some water right now to make dinner. The steam from that is nothing like the vapor that I exhale after vaping. It dissipates very quickly. Why?

Wish I would have paid attention more in chemistry class!

It disappears after assimilating into the atmosphere. I guess those air molecules are thirsty!
 

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In case anyone might be interested, here is the requirement for compliance of suppliers' marketing materials in this area:

Any statement or implication that exhaled vapor is entirely water vapor must be removed or modified before a supplier's website is accepted for registration on ECF. For example a statement such as, "...and the exhaled mist is just water vapor" is not allowed. It can however be edited to read something like: "The exhaled mist is mostly water vapor", because it may be.

In the absence of any trial to specifically address this question, we have to rely on the content of three published sources that refer to this issue in general terms, and try to extrapolate some relevance to exhaled vapor. All these articles originate from research in NZ by Laugesen and colleagues.

Ecigarette mist harmless, inhaled or exhaled
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

What seems to occur, from the data presented, is that the inhaled vapor consists of a high percentage of PG and/or VG, plus alcohol if present in the liquid, plus a small percentage of water, plus a smaller percentage of nicotine and flavors.

The exhaled vapor on the other hand consists of (simply a guess as there is no specific data available) less PG/VG and more water, plus flavors and nicotine. It is far more visible than its actual mass indicates, in other words, what you can see is something that weighs very little indeed.

The amounts of the non-water constituents in vapor were measured by Laugesen et al as:
PG / VG - 0.7mg per 'puff'
Nicotine - 0.01mg "

These values were for inhaled vapor. Exhaled vapor has not been tested except for carbon monoxide. He states that, "Exhaled breath after e-cigarette use has been tested for CO only...", showing that a full test of exhaled vapor was not performed.

So it looks as if exhaled vapor is water plus PG/VG, and a tiny amount of flavors and nicotine. The question is whether the mist is mainly water or mainly PG/VG. And - how do you mean exactly? Do you mean - what you can see; or do you mean, by weight? The two might not be the same, for example the visible constituent might be water vapor but that might comprise only 2% of the total mass. Laugesen says, "...the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol...", which on the face of it seems fairly solid - but (a) due to the context of the rest of the report, he is making a non-quantifiable statement that allows for the fact there may be a considerable amount of water vapor also present, and (b) none of his research *specifically* addressed the exact composition of exhaled vapor.

Until proper research confirms which of the two it is, we would accept that exhaled vapor may have more water than PG/VG or vice versa. For the present we will accept "mostly water" in vendors' marketing descriptions of exhaled vapor - because it may be so, and because we can't prove them wrong. We won't accept "exhaled vapor is water vapor" (or for that matter "...is propylene glycol") because neither can be correct.

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Update 2011-01-15

We located four PDFs with results of some research on electronic cigarette vapor.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9160-analysis-electronic-cigarette-vapor.html

This research is best described as 'inconclusive', since in none of the four cases were the projects managed correctly or the results presented correctly. However they represent the fullest information we have. The only one that gives any sort of quantifiable results for the vapor ingredients states that mainstream vapor (ie direct from the e-cigarette before inhalation) is 66% water. It seems likely that the water content of exhaled vapor will be higher.

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Hi, hows it goin'? I have seen stuff written by you quite a lot before and so I want to ask someone that may have the answer to my question..........which is, how can I test Nicotine for purity. I just ordered a 1000 liter jug of 99.9%, but before I sell it i would like to double check the percentage just to be sure.........dont want anyone mad at me..........do you know about this?
 

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