Is water a 'good' or 'bad' thing?

[Exchaner]

I use water not only to enhance flavor, but to increase throat hit. It enhances flavor by making the vapor thinner than it otherwise would be, and therefore more absorbable. It also makes the vape sharper in a "sizzling" way. The increased vapor production also impacts throat a bit harder than vg alone.

 

[mhertz]

It's also nice to reduce the sweetness of the vg if finding it too much... In one of my atty's where my unflavored also tastes sweeter for some reason(airflow/chamber/chimney? - who knows...) and especially with a spaced coil configuration which for me enhances the flavor, then e.g. just using 10% water was a bit to sweet for me... It's strange... In another atty, it's not that noticable... With 20% water, I taste just as much nic(3mg) as vg sweetness, which is nice imho... The vg is very overpowering by itself... (Or maybe I need more "steeping" for the nic in the vg unflavored! LOL! )

I'm beginning to think that just like you can get vapers tongue, then sometimes you can get something where things just gets overly sweet, which you don't normally think? I dunno, maybe it's just me... I never had a problem with the sweetness of vg before though... Luckilly, with 20% water, as is my adv, then everythings still good...

 

[eddiea]

I often use 15% distilled water in my DIY juice...the rest is VG (no PG) and flavoring.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Preliminary results are showing that PG may be more unstable to thermal decomposition than VG, producing more aldehydes (the dry puff effect). So besides my general aversion to PG, and its drying effects on my mouth, for this reason I vastly prefer VG/water to VG with PG for thinning. I think this decomposition issue is something that will become very important in the future, especially with the more prevalent subohm vaping and very high wattages.

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When glycerol (also called glycerin) is heated to 280 °C, it decomposes into acrolein
Acrolein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Alien Traveler]

WELL that vapor has ALWAYS been mostly water. It's one of the MAIN selling points of the E-Cigarette.

Sorry, it is very wrong. Composition of vapor is about the same as composition of juice.

 

[stevegmu]

Water in e-liquid serves no purpose to me. I have found it to reduce flavor and just taste bad. There's a reason why PG and VG were chosen for e-cigs, not water and straight alcohol...

 

[Alien Traveler]

Water in e-liquid serves no purpose to me. I have found it to reduce flavor and just taste bad. There's a reason why PG and VG were chosen for e-cigs, not water and straight alcohol...

Sure pure water is not good for vaping (drawing from a boiling kettle?). But 5% of water in VG improves its wicking properties a lot and makes "pure" VG vaping possible.

 

[stevegmu]

Sure pure water is not good for vaping (drawing from a boiling kettle?). But 5% of water in VG improves its wicking properties a lot and makes "pure" VG vaping possible.

I tried some once trying to thin some Johnson Creek; I got a horrible metallic taste...

 

[Mowgli]

I decided on 5% DW. Then I overpoured and got 6ml instead of 5 in 100ml cylinder
That's why when I pour my base mix in a cylinder I pour VG then PG.
If I overpour the PG I can let some out.
It doesn't matter in this case. 6 will be fine.

So far 3mg nic unflavored with ~6% DW is wicking ok in my Crown tank.
I didn't expect it to taste good but I'm going to try to make it 2 full weeks with no PG.

I'm using Wizard Labs nic and it's ok in juice but not my best for unflavored.
I'll give it a few tanks to see if I have to break out the Vapers Tek TH.
I tried VT TH unflavored when I was vaping 12mg and it was kinda good unflavored.

This flavor junkie is expecting withdrawals so I better stock up on sweets.

 

[zoiDman]

Water in e-liquid serves no purpose to me. I have found it to reduce flavor and just taste bad. There's a reason why PG and VG were chosen for e-cigs, not water and straight alcohol...

That's kinda Funny.

Because there aren't to many OEM's who do not put some amount of Water into e-Liquids that have more than about 70% VG.

If they Don't, High VG e-Liquids just don't wick all that well in Clearos/RBA's/RTA's.

 

[stevegmu]

That's kinda Funny.

Because there aren't to many OEM's who do not put some amount of Water into e-Liquids that have more than about 70% VG.

If they Don't, High VG e-Liquids just don't wick all that well in Clearos/RBA's/RTA's.

The only high VG e-liquids I have experience with I have thinned with water which worked, but tasted terrible. I didn't have Fusion back then...

 

[zoiDman]

The only high VG e-liquids I have experience with I have thinned with water which worked, but tasted terrible. I didn't have Fusion back then...

Well then it sounds like You don't like Water added to your e-Liquids.

BTW - What is the Highest VG Level you use in a Retail Flavored e-Liquid?

 

[Sgt.Rock]

Me no like H2O in my Ejuice.

I mix my own juice and have experimented with it and found nothing that interests me at all.

Typically I mix 30/70 juice and it runs just fine "as is" in my RTAs...When I mix High VG juices I only use them in my drippers but most times I just drip 30/70 and it's all good for me.

 

[stevegmu]

Well then it sounds like You don't like Water added to your e-Liquids.

BTW - What is the Highest VG Level you use in a Retail Flavored e-Liquid?

You must not have read my posts....


Water in e-liquid serves no purpose to me. I have found it to reduce flavor and just taste bad. There's a reason why PG and VG were chosen for e-cigs, not water and straight alcohol...

Back in the day, most e-liquids were either high PG or 50/50, because it it optimal for wicking and flavor. Then so many became 'allergic' to PG and cloud chasing began...

50%, but I have tried '100% VG and Max VG...

 

[zoiDman]

You must not have read my posts....


Water in e-liquid serves no purpose to me. I have found it to reduce flavor and just taste bad. There's a reason why PG and VG were chosen for e-cigs, not water and straight alcohol...

Back in the day, most e-liquids were either high PG or 50/50, because it it optimal for wicking and flavor. Then so many became 'allergic' to PG and cloud chasing began...

50%, but I have tried '100% VG and Max VG...

I seem to Recall reading what you said.

And I Don't see any Problem with someone Not Liking or Liking added Water in an e-Liquid. Just kinda a Personal preference.

But putting Water in an e-Liquid that has Higher/High levels of VG can serve a Very Important Purpose. Especially if one Doesn't Like getting Dry Hits in a Clearo/RBA/RTA from their Higher/High VG e-Liquids.

 

[stevegmu]

I seem to Recall reading what you said.

And I Don't see any Problem with someone Not Liking or Liking added Water in an e-Liquid. Just kinda a Personal preference.

But putting Water in an e-Liquid that has Higher/High levels of VG can serve a Very Important Purpose. Especially if one Doesn't Like getting Dry Hits in a Clearo/RBA/RTA from their Higher/High VG e-Liquids.

That's what I consider to be one of the purposes of PG, as did most manufacturers back in the day...

 

[zoiDman]

That's what I consider to be one of the purposes of PG, as did most manufacturers back in the day...

Yeah, well... We aint Living Back-in-the-Day.

And Today, Many people prefer High VG e-Liquids. So adding a Lot of PG to thin down Pure VG is just Not an Option.

BTW - I know you Don't DIY. But have you ever Handled/Seen Pure VG? It is kinda Thick.

 

[stevegmu]

Yeah, well... We aint Living Back-in-the-Day.

And Today, Many people prefer High VG e-Liquids. So adding a Lot of PG to thin down Pure VG is just Not an Option.

BTW - I know you Don't DIY. But have you ever Handled/Seen Pure VG? It is kinda Thick.

Cloud chasing took over and many vendors see cloud chasing with dollar signs in their eyes.
Yes, I saw some at Walmart and wonder how and why some people vape it straight...

 

[zoiDman]

Cloud chasing took over and many vendors see cloud chasing with dollar signs in their eyes.
Yes, I saw some at Walmart and wonder how and why some people vape it straight...

Not Exactly Sure what you think e-Liquid OEM's are in Business to Do? But the Ones that I know are Doing it to Make Money.

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Most Don't Vape it Straight. They Add some Water to Thin it Down.

 

[stevegmu]

Not Exactly Sure what you think e-Liquid OEM's are in Business to Do? But the Ones that I know are Doing it to Make Money.

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Most Don't Vape it Straight. They Add some Water to Thin it Down.

It seems like many started out to make great e-liquid. Of course they are in it to make money, as well. A key example is a darling of ECF who has decided to cut their nic. levels for the sole purpose of increasing profits because nicotine is the most expensive ingredient. Many new vendors cater to cloud chasers, rather than the average vaper...
There was even a post yesterday where a vendor is selling an additive which increases clouds...