Issue with the new 510s?

[super_X_drifter]

Sure - I remove mine frequently as well. Huge bummer in the new 510 honestly...I'm not the biggest fan. Almost wish I hadn't sent in my last for mod for the upgrade. I didn't even need an o-ring before, now I have to readjust and carry a tool around with me

Not being negative about Rob's work, but this new 510 isn't my favorite thing in the porky world to say the least.

edit - I'm asking because I'm sincerely curious. A lot of mods have spring loaded 510s these days, so I hear. It sounds like a phenomenal idea but I'm an ignoramous about such things. Was spring loaded considered, and why was it chosen against?

Bro, you shouldn't need to carry the tool. The worst case scenario (happened to me in Atlanta without the tool) is that if you don't tighten the atty base down enough it can loosen and the screw (reverse threaded) will go in a little bit. Yes that'll put your airholes out of optimum but at that moment that you notice that, pull the top off your atty and turn the base down good and tight. It'll hold that position.

Next time you get it set right, tighten the atty base nice and tight - like so it won't go any tighter with your hand. It should not move again unless you remove the atty

I dunno about the orings though. I run only one on one mod beneath a Nuppin. My others require none

I hope you get it to where you like it my man. It is a huge upgrade and if you tighten down your atty back with sufficient hand force, you should be golden.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Bro, you shouldn't need to carry the tool. The worst case scenario (happened to me in Atlanta without the tool) is that if you don't tighten the atty base down enough it can loosen and the screw (reverse threaded) will go in a little bit. Yes that'll put your airholes out of optimum but at that moment that you notice that, pull the top off your atty and turn the base down good and tight. It'll hold that position.

Next time you get it set right, tighten the atty base nice and tight - like so it won't go any tighter with your hand. It should not move again unless you remove the atty

I dunno about the orings though. I run only one on one mod beneath a Nuppin. My others require none

I hope you get it to where you like it my man. It is a huge upgrade and if you tighten down your atty back with sufficient hand force, you should be golden.

Ya, it's not a huge deal - not a con in my eyes, I just wish it would be set for life but understand why that's impossible. I upgraded because they're indestructible so that's a plus. As far as adjustable, I personally would prefer them not be, given this is how the adjustments work. That's just me. I'm a freak yo I guess my point is I never had any issues with alignment before, but now I need to make adjustments, more than once had I realized that prior my mods would still have the old connections until they f'ed up on me

 

[redeyedancer]

Let me see you have to take a extra minute longer to set up your atty but the new 510 is leak proof and tough as a tank and your getting a pressure contact which gives your lower voltage drop . I dont no guys its a no brainer to me . The only thing that I can think of that would make it better is if it didn't move when you removed your atomizer . Hell I may even have a fix for that not that I think its needed this 510 connection is pure awesome in my opinion .

It is possible to put a spring under the screw to apply some pressure this may very well work for the folks that cant rap there head around how easy this thing is to adjust .

I could have made a 510 that was solid not adjustable much easier . You cant imagine the beating I would have taken if I did this .
We had to have a new 510 connection with all these large rbas the old style wasn't cutting it . Why people over tighten there atomizers crush the gaskets a pure nightmare on my end .

You dont even want to no what this cost to get this done

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Rob I hope it doesn't sound like I'm being a naysayer or anything - I highly approve of your new 510 and the points you bring up are way more than solid. It had to be done for your sake and it makes most people really happy with the adjustable connection overall it's worth it to me for the indestructible, leak proof nature of the thing. I'll get used to having to adjust (yes, it's very easy to do). Also once I get my third Derringer, maybe one will fit each REO perfectly and no adjustments ever needed. One already does actually 2 to go that was my thing before an atty fit each REO perfectly. Since I switched and sold my other atties I do need to make adjustments but totally worth it

 

[karmakatie]

I am not having any issues with the new 510, going to be sending all my older mods in for the upgrade....I think we all got too used to just screwing the atties down just until they made contact, ie not tight. I like that I can really tighten the atties down and the Oring era is gone! instead of removing atties for a new build I just use a regular ohm meter, problem solved

 

[redeyedancer]

Rob I hope it doesn't sound like I'm being a naysayer or anything - I highly approve of your new 510 and the points you bring up are way more than solid. It had to be done for your sake and it makes most people really happy with the adjustable connection overall it's worth it to me for the indestructible, leak proof nature of the thing. I'll get used to having to adjust (yes, it's very easy to do). Also once I get my third Derringer, maybe one will fit each REO perfectly and no adjustments ever needed. One already does actually 2 to go that was my thing before an atty fit each REO perfectly. Since I switched and sold my other atties I do need to make adjustments but totally worth it

No worries my friend I am not mad at anyone I have never made anything that everyone liked its impossible . Its tough to invest as much time and money into something and have people pick it apart . I am use to it the grand and mini at one time all I ever heard was the door rattled if that is the only thing people can find wrong I must be doing something right . Chances are I will improve the 510 I am always working on making reos better . Again I am not mad at anyone

 

[Sloth Tonight]

No worries my friend I am not mad at anyone I have never made anything that everyone liked its impossible . Its tough to invest as much time and money into something and have people pick it apart . I am use to it the grand and mini at one time all I ever heard was the door rattled if that is the only thing people can find wrong I must be doing something right . Chances are I will improve the 510 I am always working on making reos better . Again I am not mad at anyone

I would be hard pressed to think of ways you can improve an already perfect mod but then again you seem to find ways. I know the porkys are guiding you. Their magic is strong within you jedi mod master. Or is it vice versa?

edit - also I know we're good, but I want to say that I wasn't intending to pick it apart...my question about the spring was just out of pure curiosity, cause I don't know much about 510 connections. It literally just popped into my mind and I was curious. I'm really sorry if it seemed like I was picking apart and questioning your new connector bro, not my intention at all, I have nothing but trust, respect and admiration for you. Nothing else (well, ...love...)

 

[redeyedancer]

I would be hard pressed to think of ways you can improve an already perfect mod but then again you seem to find ways. I know the porkys are guiding you. Their magic is strong within you jedi mod master. Or is it vice versa?

edit - also I know we're good, but I want to say that I wasn't intending to pick it apart...my question about the spring was just out of pure curiosity, cause I don't know much about 510 connections. It literally just popped into my mind and I was curious. I'm really sorry if it seemed like I was picking apart and questioning your new connector bro, not my intention at all, I have nothing but trust, respect and admiration for you. Nothing else (well, ...love...)

No worries we are good no need to apologies

 

[Tony Spectacular]

No worries my friend I am not mad at anyone I have never made anything that everyone liked its impossible . Its tough to invest as much time and money into something and have people pick it apart . I am use to it the grand and mini at one time all I ever heard was the door rattled if that is the only thing people can find wrong I must be doing something right . Chances are I will improve the 510 I am always working on making reos better . Again I am not mad at anyone

And of course I'm not crying foul about anything, Rob. Just trying to figure out how to get this thing to work the way I know it can.


Haha...and you said it was going to be Hoople proof. Pshaw.

 

[Tony Spectacular]

Let's think for one moment how that would physically occur shall we.

An atty that tightens one way (down and clockwise) is supposed to magically make a screw threaded the other way rise up to meet it.

I'd also like to include another element - the centre of the atty may also unscrew to make a connection.



T

I don't know, man. It makes perfect sense to me. If turning the screw clockwise causes it to thread out (thereby making the connection tighter), if I apply some downward pressure when I screw my atty down so that it turns the screw a little bit as well, the action of screwing the atty down in a clockwise fashion should turn the screw in the same direction, thereby tightening the connection. Or am I looking at it wrong?

 

[super_X_drifter]

I don't know, man. It makes perfect sense to me. If turning the screw clockwise causes it to thread out (thereby making the connection tighter), if I apply some downward pressure when I screw my atty down so that it turns the screw a little bit as well, the action of screwing the atty down in a clockwise fashion should turn the screw in the same direction, thereby tightening the connection. Or am I looking at it wrong?

Tony, if your new connection is the new improved reverse threaded one, turning the atty base clockwise causes the screw NOT TO TURN. Turning it counter clockwise causes it to thread IN.

So, once you line it up (wether you use the tool or the tool then turn the atty base method) tighten it down forcibly clockwise with your hand.

Again, I highly recommend you do this with the top off the atty. There's just no way you'll get it tight enough with the cap on a slip on and if it's a threaded cap you'll likely have a very difficult time getting the cap off.

Is yours a reverse threaded model?

 

[supertrunker]

The action of you tightening an atty down does not make the adjustment screw rise is all.

As for spring loaded adjustment, i can see a whole raft of comments complaining about losing the spring in the carpet, how often to clean it, where to buy new ones....

A bit of Scotch tape cures the door-rattle!

T

 

[Robinowitz]

Not wanting to de-rail this thread. Have looked for the answer but couldn't find it. it looks like the advantages are better connection and no leakage (great stuff). Any other reasons? Are they only necessary for LP's? I have non LP's: a mini with new contacts and a Woodvile (stock with RM2).
Feel free to give brief answers. Thanks for your patience.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Not wanting to de-rail this thread. Have looked for the answer but couldn't find it. it looks like the advantages are better connection and no leakage (great stuff). Any other reasons? Are they only necessary for LP's? I have non LP's: a mini with new contacts and a Woodvile (stock with RM2).
Feel free to give brief answers. Thanks for your patience.

* the new connector is gasket-less, so compression leading to leaking and/or lost connection should be a thing of the past.

* the adjustability lets you position the atty precisely - great for setting the air hole(s) where you want them.

* they work with any atty, so non-LP's get the same benefits (although it won't help with the atty size restrictions). ETA: not sure if it's an available upgrade for older woodies.

 

[keepsmiling]

Love you Rob And Nauts..

 

[coaldriller]

* the new connector is gasket-less, so compression leading to leaking and/or lost connection should be a thing of the past.

* the adjustability lets you position the atty precisely - great for setting the air hole(s) where you want them.

* they work with any atty, so non-LP's get the same benefits (although it won't help with the atty size restrictions). ETA: not sure if it's an available upgrade for older woodies.

Not an option for older woodvil's

 

[rjeatkrconley]

I have been having issues with loosening as well...I figured it was user error. After reading through the thread, yup, I am a hoople.
I am having leaking issues though. Pull the bottle out to fill it and there is juice on the bottle and the body behind the bottle. Pull the delrin and the firing pin is wet. The firing pin does not move, thanks for the video Rob!!!!, perhaps I am not tightening the atty down enough?? Thoughts??



Edit for location, if it was the door, I would say it's the hoople over squonking, but it's inside the mod.
Oh and I want a 18650, series, reo HELLCAT!!

 

[Tony Spectacular]

Tony, if your new connection is the new improved reverse threaded one, turning the atty base clockwise causes the screw NOT TO TURN. Turning it counter clockwise causes it to thread IN.

So, once you line it up (wether you use the tool or the tool then turn the atty base method) tighten it down forcibly clockwise with your hand.

Again, I highly recommend you do this with the top off the atty. There's just no way you'll get it tight enough with the cap on a slip on and if it's a threaded cap you'll likely have a very difficult time getting the cap off.

Is yours a reverse threaded model?

It is. I waited until the change was made and he retrofitted the retrofitted mods before ordering one with the new 510.

Why wouldn't tightening the atty cause the screw to rise? If it's making contact with the positive pin on the atty, and that pin is moving clockwise, why wouldn't the screw move clockwise with it?

 

[coaldriller]

It is. I waited until the change was made and he retrofitted the retrofitted mods before ordering one with the new 510.

Why wouldn't tightening the atty cause the screw to rise? If it's making contact with the positive pin on the atty, and that pin is moving clockwise, why wouldn't the screw move clockwise with it?

If your atty is screwing down, with pressure on the 510 grub screw. How in the world would the 510 grub screw come up? Your atty will stop when it hits the grub screw. Not rocket science here folks

 

[redeyedancer]

I have been having issues with loosening as well...I figured it was user error. After reading through the thread, yup, I am a hoople.
I am having leaking issues though. Pull the bottle out to fill it and there is juice on the bottle and the body behind the bottle. Pull the delrin and the firing pin is wet. The firing pin does not move, thanks for the video Rob!!!!, perhaps I am not tightening the atty down enough?? Thoughts??



Edit for location, if it was the door, I would say it's the hoople over squonking, but it's inside the mod.
Oh and I want a 18650, series, reo HELLCAT!!

You can tighten the center post that holds your positive contact in place . if there is a leak that is were it is coming from .