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Bombshell

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I am very relieved that nothing has been banned, yet! I love my ecig and every supplier that I have ordered from has been extremely helpful (Katy Kitty especially). Nothing but positive thigns to say about all of you!!
Phooey on conspiracy theorys. Every supplier that I have talked with has had an order seized by customs and I know they are doing their best to get us the supplies we need.
Kudos to all suppliers I've dealt with and many thanks!!
I am down from a pack per day of analogs to half pack and dropping. I am overjoyed with my success thus far. Keep up the good work and know that you and your efforts are appreciated!!!! Thanks Bombshell Beth
 

TDM

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I have come to the conclusion that I am not paying attention to anymore alarmists posts
that was just ridiculous, all that talk of May 5th is the day May 5th is coming. What bunch of bs.

Dude I hear they are changing all factories in china that make e-cigs into factories that produce elvis velvet painting!! Its gonna happen June 3rd!!
 

Letzin Hale

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What conspiracy theory? Everyone was told that May 5th was the ban day. Not a word about anything today nothing.


Were we told that it was the ban day? I've been looking for that info but haven't found it yet. I did read that the suit against the FDA was being presented in court on May 5th. Has something been lost in the hysteria?
There were a couple of posts that were interesting though, see below.
Alan.


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05-01-2009, 10:55 PM http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-ban-electronic-cigarettes-15.html#post243655 Krakkan
Jacob Sullum | May 1, 2009, 4:46pm
Bill Godshall of Smokefree Pennsylvania reports in a mass email message that the Food and Drug Administration plans to proceed with a ban on electronic cigarettes, devices that deliver nicotine vapor without tobacco or combustion products. Godshall reproduces the following message from Heather Zawalick of the FDA's Office of Legislation, which says the agency will announce enforcement actions against the three largest e-cigarette distributors on Tuesday:
Subject/Headline: FDA Takes Enforcement Action on Electronic Smoking Products
Planned Release Date: May 5
Driving Event: Compliance action
Rollout Plan: Extensive rollout planned including press conference at HHS, press release, fact sheet, video for upload to YouTube, podcast, consumer article, consumer Q &A, key message points, internal media Q & A, Op-Ed, photos of products for posting on Internet.
Other background, hidden factors: Action involves three largest distributors. One of the distributors has just sued FDA seeking a restraining order to prevent us from holding their product at the border.
There is keen interest in this subject. E-cigarette kiosks are all over town, including Montgomery Mall. They're being advertised as a safer alternative to cigarettes. Our concern is that this might introduce nonusers to nicotine use. This is a drug delivery device. The content of the products have not been analyzed by FDA. To be sold, they would have to be approved by the agency.
Our concern is that this might introduce nonusers to nicotine use. And what if it did?Separated from the dangers of smoking, nicotine use is not a big health concern. The FDA itself has approved various nicotine replacement products (gum, patches, even an inhaler), some of them for over-the-counter sale, even though they theoretically might "introduce nonusers to nicotine use." That possibility is an incredibly lame justification for preventing smokers from switching to a product that eliminates virtually all the risks associated with standard cigarettes.
In an open letter to Zawalick, Joel Nitzkin of the American Association of Public Health Physicians says the pending FDA ban seems to be "based entirely on the undocumented assumption that electronic cigarettes may have the potential to attract additional teenagers to nicotine use and addiction." That concern seems to be fanciful: Godshall says "there is no evidence that e-cigarette products have been marketed to youth, nor is there evidence of youth use of e-cigarette products (most of which cost more than $100)." In any case, Nitzkin notes, the government can impose age restrictions without stopping "current adult smokers who are unwilling or unable to quit" from enjoying "the health benefits this product can offer." By Nitzkin's reckoning, based on the available research, smokeless nicotine products "promise a risk of illness and death well under 1% of the risk posed by cigarettes."
In his own letter to Zawalick, Godshall argues that "denying 45 million cigarette smokers access to exponentially less hazardous smokefree nicotine alternatives would result in millions of preventable deaths among smokers, millions of nonsmokers continuing to be exposed to tobacco smoke pollution, and tens of thousands of e-cigarettes users reverting back to smoking cigarettes." He adds that "it is absurd for the FDA to even contemplate protecting the deadliest nicotine products (cigarettes) from market competition by the least hazardous nicotine products."
More on the e-cigarette controversy here and here. E-cigarette testimonials here and here. A report on testing of the Ruyan e-cigarette here (PDF).

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04-27-2009, 06:21 PM
Bill Godshall

Following is the latest news on the FDA tobacco legislative situation in the US Senate. Not sure if the full Senate will consider Waxman's bill or if the Senate will act on Kennedy's not-yet-introduced bill (which likely would have to go through the HELP Cmte before reaching the full Senate).

Although I gave Jim Carroll the heads up and urged him to write this article, he chose not to even mention our opposition to the Waxman/Kennedy legislation and our efforts to amend it in the Senate (with smokefree tobacco/nicotine product provisions).

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Senate set to speed up tobacco measure
Bill would allow federal regulation of all products

By James R. Carroll
jcarroll@courier-journal.com
Louisville Courier-Journal
April 26, 2009
Senate set to speed up tobacco measure | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal

WASHINGTON -- The Senate plans to expedite legislation that would give the federal government the power to regulate tobacco products.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has told supporters of the legislation, which passed the House on April 2 on a 298-112 vote, that the matter will be taken up before the end of May.

Bipartisan backing for the bill is strong in the Senate, so the measure is likely to pass and be signed into law by President Barack Obama, who also supports it.

The legislation would give the federal Food and Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing and sales of tobacco products. Congressional deliberations are being closely watched in tobacco-growing states such as Kentucky, the second-leading producer of the leaf.

Reid met with representatives of the American Heart Association in his Capitol office last week.

"He was quite straightforward in saying that he knew, of course, the bill had passed the House and he hoped to do it in the next five weeks," said Derek Scholes, a lobbyist with the association.

Jim Manley, spokesman for Reid, confirmed that Senate action is slated for next month.

Bill ready for vote

The only question is whether the House-passed bill, sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., will be taken up by the Senate or whether a separate and basically identical Senate measure will be voted on instead.

Reid has invoked a Senate rule that allows the Waxman bill to be considered on the Senate floor without first being approved by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, whose chairman is Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.

Kennedy spokeswoman Melissa Wagoner said last week that the senator still intends to introduce his own measure, as he did last year.

It was essentially the same as Waxman's plan.

While the House approved Waxman's bill last year, the Senate ran out of time and never took up Kennedy's bill.

Manley said no final decision has been made on the legislative procedures in the Senate for considering the tobacco bill.

Scholes said his association and Reid "didn't get too much into the weeds on that." But he added that "we're very excited we may finally see the bill go through this Senate."

Stepping up pressure

As a sign of intensifying lobbying for the measure, supporters have begun running ads in Washington-based publications to urge senators to act.

In one ad, a girl looks into the camera, standing next to these words: "You have the power to protect me from America's #1 cause of preventable death. Senators, it's time for FDA regulation of tobacco."

The ad is sponsored by the American Heart Association, American Lung Association, the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, the Cancer Action Network of the American Cancer Society and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

Another ad shows rows of schoolhouses and says: "7,000 kids have smoked their first cigarette since yesterday."

Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said that the bill has been debated in the Senate for years and that now is the time to act.

"Congress has a lot on its plate this year," Myers said. "The goal of our advertising campaign is to ensure that the tobacco bill gets the attention it deserves."

How it would work

If passed, the legislation would empower the FDA to restrict tobacco advertising and marketing -- particularly any that it determines to be targeting children.

The FDA also would have the authority to require larger and more graphic warnings on cigarette packs and demand disclosure of tobacco product ingredients.

The agency would not regulate tobacco farmers and would not be allowed to ban tobacco.

The cost of the regulation would be covered by fees imposed on the tobacco manufacturers and importers.

Reporter James R. Carroll can be reached at (202) 906-8141
 

fenez

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Once again I will say this.... there is no conspiracy theory here what I said we were told that May 5 was the big day & everyone was talking about how it was going to effect us getting our stuff & big brother is going to stop all our shipments & it is very bad & blah blah blah. That is what I said, Now no one knows anything & we should just take everyones word for it that it is coming.
 

harmony gardens

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Come on people, take a deep vape and relax. I think all of us have been concerned. Nobody believes a word the FDA says on the matter, so why wouldn't we panic a little when we put all that we know together.

There was also the Chinese holiday, the fact that supply is running low,,, maybe because there are more vapers every day, and a lot of us are preparing for the worst, so we're stocking up. Supply is definately short.

We all know there's a battle coming,,, it didn't happen on May 5th,,, but at some point this matter will be settled. We've seen what's happened in Oz, and don't want the domino effect following that lead. We live to fight another day.

Keep Vaping!!
 

prr2freya

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I had no problems going through EMS. Then again, I have not been around long enough to devote myself to an American supplier. I bought my first m401 kit from a US supplier, but with 1 atomizer and no extras in stock from the time I ordered, to even now.. I looked to China.. Found the same stuff cheaper (even with the shipping)..

At this point my priority as a consumer.. is price and reliable stock. I have found it.
 
yikes, i feel bad for the suppliers who have put everything they owned into this revolutionary product. and its all being taken away from them in one swoop. the users themselves will always be able to order small orders from china or whatever but the retailers of this product really have gotten the brunt of it all.

so if the FDA take in shipments, then does that mean the product will be sent backto china, and the retailer gets a refund? obviously not for the delivery charges and stuff but i hope some of the suppliers get some of their money back. a large shipment of ecigs can cost a person like $15,000 - $20,000
 

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I do not believe in the conspiracy theories.

I do believe that suppliers are having a hard time getting the products to the USA.

What makes matters worst is that almost EVERYONE seems to have been stocking up.

People stocking up, plus suppliers having a hard time getting products in....there is no surprise supplies are running this low.

Getting any liquid from puresmoker seems as hard as winning the lottery, and suppliers like TW who usually have had plenty of liquid are running very low (at least on the USA site).

Lets just be happy nothing happened on the 5th.
 
ok guys obviously the 5th deadline has gone and no news from the FDA, but i believe that the sooner we reach the 10,000 mark on our petition the better. This is the only combined effort to do something against the FDA in the ecig industry. so lets join forces and make it count :) the easiest way to get thousands of people to sign up in a matter of days is to spam youtube (technically its not spamming, its just informing)

so go to youtube, and search for any video that is relevant to this petition
type in things like
-FDA
-ecig
-Ecigarette
-FDA ban
-smoke 51
-ruyan
etc etc be creative

and in the comment box type in something along these lines (copy and paste to save time)
"HEY GUYS, the government body FDA is soon banning this product in the USA unfairly, because they know that they will get less taxes from real cigarettes. this is unfair and goes against the american constitution! please please please go to Google and type in "electric cigarette petition" and click the first link. every vote counts, we have the right to quit cigarettes and save our health!!!even if your from the UK or Canada because they will copy USA. please copy and paste this//"

something along those lines, remember you cannot include links or else it wont post, so you have to say "go to google and type in electric cigarette petition" also, at the end of your post, say "please copy and paste this" so more and more people will do it.

collectively the top 10 ecig videos on youtube have more then 1.5 million views, so getting around 5 thousand people to sign the petition in a few days should be a piece of cake! lets do it.
 

lbctsolutions

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I usually very much disagree with flooding and spamming of any sort but in this case an exception has to be made.

Moose has a very good idea above, although it seems a little forceful folks this is a NECESSITY. Do you want to have to go back to analogs and die slowly and painfully? I think I can answer this for everyone with the simple answer of NO.

Let's battle as much and as far in as high number as we can. For too long now the government have been telling us what to watch, what to eat, what to say and what we cannot do, it is time to stand up a little bit here.

The real problem with this is they are going to get away with it and no amount of protests will suffice once the ban is in place so the only real way to stand a chance is to spread the word NOW!

Somebody said in another post it is almost like they are daring us to take action against them in some way - and I agree with this - surely they realise they are basically painting a picture as smoking analogs is ok nevermind your almost certain gaurantee of painful death and lack of breath when you so much as walk up a flight of stairs.

This is absolutely postiively ridiculous.

As for taxing this new product, that again is RIDICULOUS, considering at least here in the UK our government claims that they spend more than they earn from cigarette taxes on healthcare for smoking related illness and developing NRT products and educating our doctors to administer them.

+1 for Moose's idea, anyway. Good luck all.

Happy Vaping.
 
hey ibc thanks for the support

what people need to understand is, that this is a numbers game. 10,000 people signing a petition is stronger then 50 people sending letters to their state councellers (although they both should be done so as to compliment each other and make the case stronger)

another way to get a few thousand more signatures is to go to google, and type in "electric cigarettes" then visit the first 3-5 websites, and email or contact each of these top websites with the following:

-explain to them, that the FDA are in the process of banning this product from being sold in the US, and large shipments of ecigs are being held in US customs (not sure if they are actually being banned but the second bit is a fact)
-explain to them that the only way to battle this is to get a petition signed to get the product properly tested.
-explain to them how their company is going to lose money because the number of wholesalers for this product in the USA are dwindeling. if the company is not in the US then explain how your country will soon follow America because the FDA is a globally respected organisation.
- then offer them the solution, ask them to place a link on their homepage to the petition website: edit:damn i cant post links until i get 15posts, but you guys know the link to the petition website right? its in the notice at the top of this page

OK now the reason that this is effective is because just in the month of April a total of 110,000 people search for electric cigarettes in Google, and once they did the search the chances are that they clicked one of the top results, so if one of the top websites has a banner saying "please sign this petition" then we could potentially have around another 100,000 signatures on the petition IN ONLY ONE MONTH!!!.

now this will take around 10 minutes of your time, and we need around 5-10 of our forum members to do this to be effective.

PS can someone combine my first post about youtube, and this post, and make a thread out of it, or even better get it stickied? :cool:
 

Vapor Pete

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That's why Cash of Pure Smoker is having his own e-cig manufactured in the states.

Off topic...
I just wish it wasnt another Screwdriver or Prodigy. To me its basically going to be mass made Mod. I only hope it opens the door to more traditional looking e-cigs, and fast! Vapor Pete loves his VK and 2piece e-cigs!!
My best,
-VP
 

Stike

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I started e-cigs as a way to get off analoges,that worked the ban will force people to wein off e-cigs,but people we don't have to go back to analogs.Also if you want to still smoke e-cigs were there is a will there is a way.
Nobody felt sorry for suppliers when they were depositing our money in there bank account.This is a risky buis.,anytime you do mail order there is a risk no matter if you are a cust. or supplier.I hope nobody loses money,but that is the risk.Thats why the suppliers make the big bucks.HAHA
 

zagleft1

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Oh, the ban is in effect. It started at 12:01 a.m. on cinco May just like we promised. It's just that we (the FDA) did not feel compelled to notify any of you miscreants formally. Anyone who esmoked after that time is now a felon and should report to the nearest rehabilitation camp for "correction". Move along peacefully, now, we don't won't any trouble with you or from you. However, just to show that we're not monsters, we are providing an analog smoking area in the camp.
 

Tallgirl1974

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Oh, the ban is in effect. It started at 12:01 a.m. on cinco May just like we promised. It's just that we (the FDA) did not feel compelled to notify any of you miscreants formally. Anyone who esmoked after that time is now a felon and should report to the nearest rehabilitation camp for "correction". Move along peacefully, now, we don't won't any trouble with you or from you. However, just to show that we're not monsters, we are providing an analog smoking area in the camp.



LOL!
I hate to waste a post just to laugh out loud at it, but damn it sometimes people deserve a LOL. .....You put that analog anywhere near my mouth and you lose a finger.
:)
 

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I cant believe anyone would whine about paying 100.00 or more for a starter kit. Its still cheaper than smoking analogs even after paying the start up cost. I also really dont care what suppliers charge for kits, you gotta have it to use it, and it is probably the cheapest supplemental life insurance you will ever buy. If you cant afford the start up cost, go set yourself on fire.....
 

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But understandable, there are so many suppliers. We are not naive and the pricing on some suppliers sites is outrageous. It's not hard to get pricing lists and order requirements from any major manufacture. We know where wholsale prices are at. I just find it unscrupulous that these suppliers charge upwards of 100+ dollars for their starter kits, taking advantage of people that dont know any better.
So forgive us consumers if we are skeptical.

Same thing goes for any other item you buy online or in a store. Prices can vary widely.
Lets take a look at some expenses a totally legit company can look forward to paying.
1. Import Taxes (these can range from 5% to roughly 30% of the shipment total)
2. Income Tax (again, roughly 10-33% of your earnings)
3. Warranty (shipping costs to the customer, to the manufacturer)... each item returned to a supplier costs that supplier $$ to ship the replacement.
4. Depending on size of company, employee wages, taxes on those wages, ect.
5. Customs agent (not entirely needed, but the larger the shipment the more likely they'll use one)
6. Confiscated shipments not replaced/honored by the manufacturer
7. Paypal / Credit Card processing fees
8. ChargeBacks, ect.
9. If they choose to join the ECA, there are expenses there too.

These are just SOME of the expenses. What type of warranty do they offer? The longer the warranty, typically the higher the initial cost.


So before you go assuming every company out there charging more than X dollars is trying to scam you.. Think about the expenses.

Does that mean every company out there charging $100+ is good? No.
But not all of them are as rotten as alot of you make them out to be!
 
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