It Came Amd Its Gone...

[Elendil]

Why are suppliers classified as "cons" or "scammers" if they charge a high price for their product. Most members of this form live in countries where capitalism and free markets are encouraged. IF a business can make a living selling a product for $150 that you can get for $40 somewhere else, then I say "Shame on the consumer" for not checking alternatives before buying. Unfortunately, taking this tact would require people accepting personal responsibility for their own decisions, which seems to be less and less common these days.


I am the biggest skeptic in believing that a ban is coming in this form. I did not see any suppliers engaging in scare tactics. And if you fell for them without checking the facts for yourself then I say "shame on you".

 

[moose88]

the problem is that the chinese are not being selective in who they are selling too. they are selling too supliers in the states, but are also selling to induviduals in the states at lower prices then the suppliers. and this gives the suppliers a bad rep. they should be more selective about who they sell to I think. this would never happen with other products like iphones or TVs, because they have a screaning process to weed out suppliers from consumers.

but if im honest, i think the situation isnt too bad because id estimate that only around 5-10% of esmokers are on this forum. and its these guys that deserve the discount.

 

[Minimike]

but if im honest, i think the situation isnt too bad because id estimate that only around 5-10% of esmokers are on this forum. and its these guys that deserve the discount.

Where do you get that percentage? I would think this forum contains more than 50% of vapers. I see nobody, other than myself, vaping in my community.

 

[IntoxiNation]

Where do you get that percentage? I would think this forum contains more than 50% of vapers. I see nobody, other than myself, vaping in my community.

This forum has 8,882 members as of this posting. So you think there are less than 18,000 people who vape globally?

I actually think the 5-10% figure is kind of high. I've heard estimates of over 100,000 e-cigs sold in the U.S. alone. In my own community I see people with them on occasion (since I started, I guess I am more in tuned to it. Like when I quit analogs it seemed like everyone I saw was smoking one) and yet I'm the only one I know of from Hamilton, Ohio on here.

 

[moose88]

yes i wa sbeing a bit generous with that percentage, wait so we have 8 thousand members and less than 7000 signatures in the petition... COME ON GUYS!

 

[nitewriter]

It says in the SE suit that they've sold over 600,000 units. I wonder where they all are?

 

[Ivisi]

It says in the SE suit that they've sold over 600,000 units. I wonder where they all are?

In the trash?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ivisi

 

[Elendil]

This forum has 8,882 members as of this posting. So you think there are less than 18,000 people who vape globally?

I actually think the 5-10% figure is kind of high. I've heard estimates of over 100,000 e-cigs sold in the U.S. alone. In my own community I see people with them on occasion (since I started, I guess I am more in tuned to it. Like when I quit analogs it seemed like everyone I saw was smoking one) and yet I'm the only one I know of from Hamilton, Ohio on here.

It says in the SE suit that they've sold over 600,000 units. I wonder where they all are?

100,000 sold in the U.S. this is units, it does not mean that 100,000 individuals purchased units. I have purchased 10 901's just myself.

 

[green-lantern]

Maybe the FDA backed off? There was a letter or email saying that there was false info on there intentions (I sure thought I read that). Maybe they felt they needed a better case before they took more action in fear of looking like a bunch of fools.

 

[Vandal996]

I have 3 generators, 5000 rounds of ammo for my AR-15, 300 lbs of rice and 1000 Raman noodles left over from Y2K.
Now I can add my five liters of E-Juice and 100 401s to that stockpile!

Kidding. I dont have any of that stuff. But I would if I believed all the doomsdayers.

I see panic buying being a big contributor to the short supply. I just bought 7 bottles from ESmokey Treats. Got it today no problem and it is good. The 5 801s I ordered Saturday were out of stock from another dealer. Oh well, my friends will have to wait.

 

[IntoxiNation]

100,000 sold in the U.S. this is units, it does not mean that 100,000 individuals purchased units. I have purchased 10 901's just myself.

Well a Pilot store in Ohio sold over 50 starter kits alone in April. I'm sure the number actually sold in the U.S. is much higher than that. That's just one number I have heard (and actually it could have been user - not units sold).

Myself I have bought one NPro and 3 901s. One 901 was personal and two were gifts. Those two gifts wouldn't count as a single user, but rather 3.

The suppliers don't have any mandated reporting system, so no one really knows, but it would be awesome to actually have a more accurate number.

I got a feeling there are more people vaping than we can imagine. Just think of all the news reports we have seen posted here where they interviewed users. Now think of how many people on this forum have said "hey that was me!" I can't think of any.

 

[Marlyn M]

I just got a shipment from China cleared customs 5/5. All this was just a bunch of BS. Trying to boost sales by scaring those of us that actually care and read this forum. Not Funny!

 

[cowgal]

All this was just a bunch of BS. Trying to boost sales by scaring those of us that actually care and read this forum. Not Funny!

I respectfully disagree, since this wasn't exactly a rumor and wasn't invented by any supplier -- it was an FDA employee who started it, even if some of the facts proved to be wrong.

That said, here's what I was doing this past weekend: http://bit.ly/sOEnC

;-)

 

[IntoxiNation]

I just got a shipment from China cleared customs 5/5. All this was just a bunch of BS. Trying to boost sales by scaring those of us that actually care and read this forum. Not Funny!

Wow those suppliers are powerful. I mean they even got the FDA to go along with the game and list holds at customs on the FDA web site:

OASIS REFUSALS INDUSTRY 80

 

[Vape]

Why are suppliers classified as "cons" or "scammers" if they charge a high price for their product. Most members of this form live in countries where capitalism and free markets are encouraged. IF a business can make a living selling a product for $150 that you can get for $40 somewhere else, then I say "Shame on the consumer" for not checking alternatives before buying. Unfortunately, taking this tact would require people accepting personal responsibility for their own decisions, which seems to be less and less common these days.


I am the biggest skeptic in believing that a ban is coming in this form. I did not see any suppliers engaging in scare tactics. And if you fell for them without checking the facts for yourself then I say "shame on you".

So I suppose suppliers should not be held to any kind of standard. It's not so much accepting personal responsibility but being trusting in the fact that someone isn't going to try and rip you off because you don't know any better. It happens ALL the time, everywhere, with everything.
Does that make it OK?

I cant believe anyone would whine about paying 100.00 or more for a starter kit. Its still cheaper than smoking analogs even after paying the start up cost. I also really dont care what suppliers charge for kits, you gotta have it to use it, and it is probably the cheapest supplemental life insurance you will ever buy. If you cant afford the start up cost, go set yourself on fire.....

I am not whining and I didn't pay 100.00 or more for a starter kit.

So before you go assuming every company out there charging more than X dollars is trying to scam you.. Think about the expenses.

I am not accusing anyone or any supplier of scamming anyone. I'm trying to figure out why some suppliers find it necessary to TAKE ADVANTAGE of uninformed people who just want try something new that may improve their lifestyle.
"Well it's good for me so it doesn't matter what it costs" attitude and the impulse buy....then they dig a little more and maybe run across this forum, not until then did they know they were taken advantage of by someone.
That's what bothers me.
Why are the sellers expenses my problem? Are seller websites popping up like daises on this forum alone because people just truly care about helping other people, no matter how much it costs and what risks they take to bring us their product?

I think not.

Bye Bye

 

[mindtwist69]

I normally don't jump in, a lot of times I only know as much as the consumers know, or my manufacturer knows. If I have something held up in customs I let people know. I am just as interested when many suppliers get held up at the same time as the customer is. I don't raise my prices when stuff gets stuck, that would be unfair to the customer but by no means am I also going to invalidate a true concern, which would be in the form of a ban.

I just hate seeing supplier bashing going on. I do what I do, to allow customers in our country the ability to get their items sooner rather than later at a good market price, without having to go oversea's and have a chance for their money and items to be caught up in a waiting and watching and crossing fingers game.

Take it how you will.

 

[yvilla]

That said, here's what I was doing this past weekend: http://bit.ly/sOEnC

;-)

Cowgal, I finally did get to see it - used my laptop. You are right, it's really funny when viewed as ecig users madly grabbing for a stash of liquid.

 

[wyzardd]

I have 3 generators, 5000 rounds of ammo for my AR-15, 300 lbs of rice and 1000 Raman noodles left over from Y2K.
Now I can add my five liters of E-Juice and 100 401s to that stockpile!

Kidding. I dont have any of that stuff. But I would if I believed all the doomsdayers.

5000 rounds? That's not a stockpile, that's a weekend!

 

[badkat]

LOL cowgal!

Oops, there's FedEx with my syringes!