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looks like the senate and the house are refining there legislation and are
not only include,but specifically state in law that e-cigs are the same as smoking.
thats a double wammy for those who's health care costs are going way up.
i have stated in other posts why i knew this would happen but thats another post.
in the mean time medical {OTHER STUFF} marches forward.

i don't see no contradiction regards.
mike
p.s.the {OTHER STUFF} will be blown away to.to many state of the art hostpitals here.
 
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looks like the senate and the house are refining there legislation and are
not only include,but specifically state in law that e-cigs are the same as smoking.
thats a double wammy for those who's health care costs are going way up.
i have stated in other posts why i knew this would happen but thats another post.
in the mean time medical {OTHER STUFF} marches forward.

i don't see no contradiction regards.
mike
p.s.the {OTHER STUFF} will be blown away to.to many state of the art hostpitals here.

May I ask where you're getting this info? I'm not finding anything via Google.

There are three bills: SF 2027 which is Kathy Sheran's bill - that hasn't even come up for a vote in the MN Sen as far as I know, although it is out of cmte. And yes, it is an indoor/outdoor vaping ban.

http://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=Senate&f=SF2027&ssn=0&y=2014

HF 1931 which is a minor sales/possesion ban (I think it may cover vaping on school property and some other minor things), and this is still basically stalled, although it's expected to pass eventually from what I hear:

MN HF1931 | 2013-2014 | 88th Legislature | LegiScan

HF 1974 is the analog to Sheran's bill, but it's been dead in the water for months:

MN HF1974 | 2013-2014 | 88th Legislature | LegiScan

Are you seeing this on TV or hearing it on radio?

Also see this: http://lacrossetribune.com/news/loc...cle_aeb40be9-f7cf-57f3-88fa-1594cf1cfa61.html

Better: http://watchdog.org/142895/e-cigarette-regulations-moving-mn-legislature/ [dated yesterday]

Members of the state House voted Monday night to add a series of e-cigarettes regulations to an omnibus health and human services bill that is making its way through the Legislature.

The regulations would ban the sale of e-cigarettes to minors, prohibit their use on school property and in state-owned buildings and would limit where and how the devices can be sold. House members, however, voted down a proposal to regulate e-cigarettes in the same manner as other tobacco products, which would have banned its use in all public places in the state. [bold added]
 
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May I ask where you're getting this info? I'm not finding anything via Google.

There are three bills: SF 2027 which is Kathy Sheran's bill - that hasn't even come up for a vote in the MN Sen as far as I know, although it is out of cmte. And yes, it is an indoor/outdoor vaping ban.

http://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=Senate&f=SF2027&ssn=0&y=2014

HF 1931 which is a minor sales/possesion ban (I think it may cover vaping on school property and some other minor things), and this is still basically stalled, although it's expected to pass eventually from what I hear:

MN HF1931 | 2013-2014 | 88th Legislature | LegiScan

HF 1974 is the analog to Sheran's bill, but it's been dead in the water for months:

MN HF1974 | 2013-2014 | 88th Legislature | LegiScan

Are you seeing this on TV or hearing it on radio?

Also see this: Future hazy for e-cigarettes in Minnesota

Better: E-cigarette regulations moving in MN Legislature « Watchdog.org [dated yesterday]

hi roger,
they keep amending bills then re-attaching it to other proposals.i think there are 3 separate proposals
between the house and senate.
http://mnvapers.com/2014/05/critical-minnesota-state-senate-572014/
when they start doing the old hot potato with proposal language that usually
doesn't bode well.they keep knocking it around till it slips through.
regards
mike
there are 2 proposals,HB2402 and SF2027
 
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Here's what's happened on vaping related bills in the MN legislature the past two weeks.

Please note that Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton has stated that he opposes legislation to ban vaping where smoking is banned (but I don't recall if he actually threatened to veto a bill if it did so). So MN vapers should be (along with urging MN Senators to oppose vaping ban bills SF 2027 and HF 2402) thanking Gov Dayton and urging him to veto any bill that would ban vaping.

Minnesota Senate Finance Cmte equates vapor with smoke, approves bill (SF 2027) to ban vaping wherever smoking is banned, goes to full Senate
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?f=SF2027&y=2014&ssn=0&b=senate
E-Cigarette bill clears key Senate committee, heads to floor | Hot Dish Politics | StarTribune.com
Minnesota Legislature moves to regulate e-cigarettes. But how much remains unclear. - TwinCities.com

Minnesota House amends/approves, Senate Rules and Administration Cmte recommends bill (HF 2402) that would ban vaping wherever smoking is banned, and would require all e-cigs (but not far more hazardous cigarettes or alcohol products) to sold in “child proof packaging” according to federal law CFR title 16, section 1700.15(b)(1)
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=House&f=HF2402&ssn=0&y=2014
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0

Please note the recently amended HF 2402 would require "child proof packaging" on all e-cig products, and HF 3369 (below) would require "child proof packaging" on all e-liquids (and perhaps other e-cig products). Both of these bills should be opposed because youth are NOT being poisoned by e-cigs or e-liquid.

Newly introduced Minnesota bill (HF 3369) would mandate unspecified “child-resistant packaging” for any liquid “intended for human consumption and use” in an “electronic nicotine device” (but not for far more hazardous cigarettes or alcohol products)
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?f=HF3369&b=house&y=2014&ssn=0
 
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Per notice at
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/journals/2013-2014/20140507099.pdf#page=5
Minnesota HF 2402 (an omnibus health bill that would ban vaping in MN state government buildings, would require child proof packaging on e-cig products, and would ban e-cig sales in vending machines and mall kiosks)
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?f=HF2402&y=2014&ssn=0&b=senate
was substituted in the Senate for nearly identical SF 2087
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?f=SF2087&y=2014&ssn=0&b=senate

Then the MN Senate approved HF 2402.
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/journals/2013-2014/20140508100.pdf#page=85

Today, the MN House voted against concurrence on HF 2402, and then House and Senate Conference Committee members were appointed (to work out a deal on the bill's language, which appears to be a disagreement over one or two sentences unrelated to vaping or e-cigs).
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?f=HF2402&y=2014&ssn=0&b=senate


Key provisions of HF 2402 that apply to e-cigs are below

Sec. 5. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 144.414, is amended by adding a subdivision
99.13to read:
99.14 Subd. 5. Electronic cigarettes. In any indoor building owned by the state and
99.15under the direction of the commissioner of the Department of Administration, the use of
99.16an electronic cigarette, including the inhaling or exhaling of vapor from any electronic
99.17delivery device, as defined in section 609.685, subdivision 1, is prohibited in the same
99.18way the use of tobacco cigarettes is prohibited under subdivision 1.


Sec. 26. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 461.18, is amended to read:
114.12461.18 BAN ON SELF-SERVICE SALE OF PACKS; EXCEPTIONS.
114.13 Subdivision 1. Except in adult-only facilities. (a) No person shall offer for sale
114.14tobacco or tobacco-related devices, or electronic delivery devices as defined in section
114.15609.685, subdivision 1 , or nicotine or lobelia delivery products as described in section
114.16609.6855, in open displays which are accessible to the public without the intervention
114.17of a store employee.
114.18(b) [Expired August 28, 1997]
114.19(c) [Expired]
114.20(d) This subdivision shall not apply to retail stores which derive at least 90 percent
114.21of their revenue from tobacco and tobacco-related products devices and where the retailer
114.22ensures that no person younger than 18 years of age is present, or permitted to enter, at
114.23any time.
114.24 Subd. 2. Vending machine sales prohibited. No person shall sell tobacco products,
114.25electronic delivery devices, or nicotine or lobelia delivery products from vending
114.26machines. This subdivision does not apply to vending machines in facilities that cannot be
114.27entered at any time by persons younger than 18 years of age.
114.28 Subd. 3. Federal regulations for cartons, multipacks. Code of Federal
114.29Regulations, title 21, part 897.16(c), is incorporated by reference with respect to cartons
114.30and other multipack units.

115.8 Sec. 28. [461.20] SALE OF ELECTRONIC DELIVERY DEVICE; PACKAGING.
115.9(a) For purposes of this section, "child-resistant packaging" is defined as set forth in
115.10Code of Federal Regulations, title 16, section 1700.15(b)(1), as in effect on the effective
115.11date of this act, when tested in accordance with the method described in Code of Federal
115.12Regulations, title 16, section 1700.20, as in effect on the effective date of this act.
115.13(b) The sale of any liquid, whether or not such liquid contains nicotine, that is
115.14intended for human consumption and use in an electronic delivery device, as defined in
115.15section 609.685, subdivision 1, that is not contained in packaging that is child-resistant, is
115.16prohibited. All licensees under this chapter must ensure that any liquid intended for human
115.17consumption and use in an electronic delivery device is sold in child-resistant packaging.
115.18(c) A licensee that fails to comply with this section is subject to administrative
115.19penalties under section 461.12, subdivision 2.
115.20(d) This section shall not apply to any liquid, whether or not such liquid contains
115.21nicotine, that is intended for human consumption and use in an electronic delivery device
115.22or nicotine or lobelia delivery product where the liquid is contained in a prefilled, sealed
115.23cartridge that is sold, marketed, or intended for use in an electronic delivery device or
115.24nicotine or lobelia delivery product, provided that such cartridge is prefilled and sealed by
115.25the manufacturer, and not intended to be opened by the consumer.
115.26EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective January 1, 2015.

115.27 Sec. 29. [461.21] KIOSK SALES PROHIBITED.
115.28No person shall sell tobacco, tobacco-related devices, or electronic delivery devices
115.29as defined in section 609.685, subdivision 1, or nicotine or lobelia delivery products as
115.30described in section 609.6855, from a moveable place of business. For the purposes of this
115.31section, a moveable place of business means any retail business whose physical location is
115.32not permanent, including, but not limited to, any retail business that is operated from a
115.33kiosk, other transportable structure, or a motorized or nonmotorized vehicle.
 

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It is very likely that HF 2402 will be enacted into law in MN, which might make it more difficult for the ANTZ to get the MN Senate to approve SF 2027 or HF 2402 (since HF 2402 contained some of the same provisions as SF 2027 and HF 2402).
thanks bill,
the committee is meeting monday 5-12-14.
i'll post an alert i received from minnesotavapors.
regards
mike
 

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Another new thread on this same legislation (don't know why skoony started another thread) at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-conference-committee-hf2402-5-12-2014-a.html
references an alert posted by MNVapers.com that inaccurately claims that Article 8, Section 1 of HF 2402 would ban vaping wherever smoking is banned in MN.

But Article 8, Section 1 of HF 2402 is about "Continuing Care" and has nothing to do with e-cigs or vaping, while the excerpts I posted above from HF 2402 clearly state that the vaping ban in HF 2402 only applies to state government owned facilities.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0
 
Another new thread on this same legislation (don't know why skoony started another thread) at
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-conference-committee-hf2402-5-12-2014-a.html
references an alert posted by MNVapers.com that inaccurately claims that Article 8, Section 1 of HF 2402 would ban vaping wherever smoking is banned in MN.

But Article 8, Section 1 of HF 2402 is about "Continuing Care" and has nothing to do with e-cigs or vaping, while the excerpts I posted above from HF 2402 clearly state that the vaping ban in HF 2402 only applies to state government owned facilities.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0

You're looking at the original Health & Human Services House omnibus bill. The senate companion (SF2087) contains the language from Sec. 1. of SF2027. HF2402 was taken up on the floor last week and it contained the public usage ban language from SF2087.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?view=chrono&f=HF2402&y=2014&ssn=0&b=house#actions

Senate votes to ban e-cigarette use in public spaces | Star Tribune

Please revise your original post so people don't get confused about this issue. It's important that everyone be on the same page.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me or Gregory Conley directly.

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Matt Black - President
Minnesota Vapers Advocacy
matt@mnvapers.com
ph. 612.217.4069

http://www.mnvapers.com

http://www.facebook.com/mnvapers
 
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You're looking at the original Health & Human Services House omnibus bill. The senate companion (SF2087) contains the language from Sec. 1. of SF2027. HF2402 was taken up on the floor last week and it contained the public usage ban language from SF2087.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/te...ssion=ls88&session_year=2014&session_number=0

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?view=chrono&f=HF2402&y=2014&ssn=0&b=house#actions

Senate votes to ban e-cigarette use in public spaces | Star Tribune

Please revise your original post so people don't get confused about this issue. It's important that everyone be on the same page.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me or Gregory Conley directly.

--
Matt Black - President
Minnesota Vapers Advocacy
matt@mnvapers.com
ph. 612.217.4069

http://www.mnvapers.com

http://www.facebook.com/mnvapers

thanks matt,
i found that also.now i am less confused than before,still confused,but less so.
:D
regards
mike
 
thanks matt,
i found that also.now i am less confused than before,still confused,but less so.
:D
regards
mike

lol.. you're not the only one! it's been a very confusing session here in Minnesota. At one point, I believe the public usage ban language existed in 6 places. It was hard to determine which bill to target.

The latest update is that we're likely going to see some compromise language, as the House is very much opposed to the usage ban, while the Senate is in favor of it.

We should have some answers today.
 
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