Its all in what it is called

[jtwh20]

As an experiment, I showed my dse901 to different sets of people:

The first batch I said this is my electronic cigarette, and I quit smoking with it. They said that's great but seemed concerned I was still "smoking".

The second batch I said this is my nicotine inhaler and I quit smoking with it. They said that's wonderful, keep it up. Where can I get one?

Its all about perception....

 

[TropicalBob]

I couldn't agree more. I use the same protocol. With friends, it's my e-cig. With anyone else, it's an inhaler that provides nicotine so I can stay off cigarettes.

 

[GreySaber]

Absolutely. It's not a cigarette. It's a machine. A personal vaporizer. A device to replace smoking.

 

[Di]

As an experiment, I showed my dse901 to different sets of people:

The first batch I said this is my electronic cigarette, and I quit smoking with it. They said that's great but seemed concerned I was still "smoking".

The second batch I said this is my nicotine inhaler and I quit smoking with it. They said that's wonderful, keep it up. Where can I get one?

Its all about perception....

I said this months ago,
that is exactly what I say- and call mine.
and I suggested that we should call it what it is,
Nicotine Inhaler
I was drowned in the howling for my blood !!!!!

Di ........

 

[Primulas]

As far as public/non user opinion is concerned i totally agree.

People are often scared of my "electronic cigarette." PV or nicotine inhaler is much more acceptable.

Though IMHO i don't want it to be mainstream at this point in time. The bigger it is the more the FDA/gov is gonna crack down.

Ecigs are really getting large. I would almost say it's a 50/50 deal of smokers that have(at least) heard of ecigs as have not.

I am selfish, but the bigger e cigs become...the harder/more expensive it will be for us all....suppliers included.

If they get much more attention the US suppliers will have no chance whatsoever(IMHO.)



Either way i don't think they will be stopped. I cant see the gov stopping thousands of unmarked ecig orders at our borders. But for the truly dedicated already; More attention equals more hassles.


just my thoughts. I'd rather skirt gov control for the time being then engage it head on. Sooner or later ecigs will be a part of american culture(IMHO)


-Prim

 

[TropicalBob]

A lot of water has gone over the dam since then, Di, carrying some of the flotsam with it.

 

[Boston George]

A lot of water has gone over the dam since then, Di, carrying some of the flotsam with it.

Sadly, true. If we could go back in time and backhand SE for making its mitigating
claims....

 

[Di]

and the ones who still are making those erroneous claims now.

Di ......

 

[Boston George]

Yea. On my site I go just short of telling you it will send you to the grave.

 

[NY JETS]

It is an electronic cigarette. If you have a SD or GG or other mod where the thing is bigger than your hand, than ok you are free too call it whatever you want and get away with it.

When you are going to use a 901, Pen-style, mini, super duper mini, or whatever it is, that is small and replicates the same basic shape as a real cigarette, I'm sorry but going around saying this is my personal nicotine inhaler isn't going to fool anybody. If it looks like a cigarette, performs the same action as a cigarette, looks to bystanders like a cigarette, and serves the same exact purpose as a cigarette, how can you not call it a cigarette?

Sure it is easy to point the finger at the initial suppliers and call them stupid and greedy for ever naming our devices e-cigs (gasp.). The name of this forum is e-cigarette-forum. Some models look EXACTLY like a cigarette (8084). Even as there are a ton of new vendors trying to start businesses every day, I have yet to see one called personalvaporizer-shop or nicotineinhalertreats or anything of the sort. Why? Because nobody will have any idea what the hell it is you sell, unless they came to this specific website first and put in a few hours of research. Not good for business IMO.
You really expected the manufacturers and first supplier's of these products to call them anything but electronic cigarettes? If that did happen. I would bet this forum would be 95% smaller if it even existed under a different name. The useage of these devices would be far less prevalent, and most of us would still be sucking down analogs like it was nobody's business. I guess some would be chewing Nicorette for a few weeks.
My point is sure, the word cigarette has horrible connotations attached to it in this overly society that we all live in today. However, without that word being used for e-cigs or whatever you want to call them now, most of us wouldn't have heard about it, or taken it half as seriously.

 

[NY JETS]

The real problems facing us are in the false claims of calling this an NRT, or a smoking cessation device. Personally, I find any health claims to be far worse, but the Big P and Big T sponsored FDA might think oherwise.

As a supplier myself, I find it unethical and out-of-bounds to tell any other person how to operate their business. Never have done it, and never will. I frequently see websites that claim these devices are healthy and can make you quit smoking, many where they may not even realize it, however it is not my place to send an e-mail telling someone how to market their product. I only hope somehow they are getting the message from the consumers who want to see this product continue on.

 

[Kate]

It is an electronic cigarette. If you have a SD or GG or other mod where the thing is bigger than your hand, than ok you are free too call it whatever you want and get away with it.

When you are going to use a 901, Pen-style, mini, super duper mini, or whatever it is, that is small and replicates the same basic shape as a real cigarette, I'm sorry but going around saying this is my personal nicotine inhaler isn't going to fool anybody. If it looks like a cigarette, performs the same action as a cigarette, looks to bystanders like a cigarette, and serves the same exact purpose as a cigarette, how can you not call it a cigarette? ...

So are you saying that personal vaporisers are defined as electronic cigarettes when they are tube shaped? What about ones that have different colours and lights that don't look like cigarettes?

 

[NY JETS]

Hey I got an idea...How about NHALER?

Yeah..which redirects you to e-ciggusa . com

So what's your point.

 

[Wally]

As an experiment, I showed my dse901 to different sets of people:

The first batch I said this is my electronic cigarette, and I quit smoking with it. They said that's great but seemed concerned I was still "smoking".

The second batch I said this is my nicotine inhaler and I quit smoking with it. They said that's wonderful, keep it up. Where can I get one?

Its all about perception....

Yes, I've done some similar experiments and agree completely with you. People have gone from "I thought you were going to stop smoking," to "Good for you, I've told some other friends about this thing." I routinely call it an electronic nicotine inhaler now. I also use a silver pen style Janty and this helps because it really doesn't look like a cigarette and doesn't have a light on the end. The orange lights are particularly bad, the blue and green much better--they're cool colors and sort of anti-combustion lights.

 

[NY JETS]

So are you saying that personal vaporisers are defined as electronic cigarettes when they are tube shaped?

Kate, what I'm saying is that when the device is similar to the shape of a cigarette, lights up on the end when you inhale, and emits a smoke-like vapor from your mouth when you exhale, while also providing you nicotine...how can this not be called an electronic cigarette? Maybe it would be wise to move away from this term as we see how up-in-arms people can get over simple words today. I am just saying, the cat is out of the bag. Trying to change the name of something that has gotten so popular is a lost cause. Just take a look at Xerox.

 

[Kate]

I know the precedent is to call the devices cigarettes but that's partly to do with marketing and sales rather than legal accuracy with language.

We'll see how it plays out I guess but it's interesting that you think it's important to spread the word even though it's a tricky one. Traders might find themselves in a dead end promoting this one. I think you are going to find that any promotion related to drugs or tobacco will be problematic for you and to keep business you'll have to look at how drug paraphernalia is sold.

 

[Wally]

Kate, what I'm saying is that when the device is similar to the shape of a cigarette, lights up on the end when you inhale, and emits a smoke-like vapor from your mouth when you exhale, while also providing you nicotine...how can this not be called an electronic cigarette? Maybe it would be wise to move away from this term as we see how up-in-arms people can get over simple words today. I am just saying, the cat is out of the bag. Trying to change the name of something that has gotten so popular is a lost cause. Just take a look at Xerox.

Tube or no tube, light or no light, these things do not involve combustion and that is both the primary benefit and primary difference that should distinguish them from tobacco cigarettes. Because of the unavoidable history of cigarettes and tobacco, calling these electronic cigarettes would be like calling a new car a Safety Crashmobile. It would help if we could shift this perception.

 

[Kate]

I think that it's to do with marketing Wally. Anytime I hear justification of 'cigarette' it's to cover getting the word out, being accessible and converting smokers.

Hopefully traders aren't shooting themselves in the foot. Some are moving on to new words but they appear to be more progressive, trusted and established businesses like Puresmoker.

 

[NY JETS]

I know the precedent is to call the devices cigarettes but that's partly to do with marketing and sales rather than legal accuracy with language.

I am not an attorney so no legal advice here! I did study law in college though so I do know a little something. Legally, they are not cigarettes. It is entirely marketing and sales. But if you created this product to replicate a cigarette, and you are looking to target only smokers, the obvious thing to call it is e-cigarette.

Say Ruyan decides to originally only produce something that looks like the Screwdriver, then maybe they go with a different name. Thing is, nobody is trying that first. (I'm not saying nobody has, but the general consensus.) Eventually, another Chinese company would see this design, decide to go with the smaller battery, make it look more like an analog, call it e-cigarette, and Voila!, they have just invented the e-cig!

I don't think it was ever a question for Ruyan.

 

[Kate]

It might be possible to use your example in reverse - start off with cigarettes and move away to other formats as the market establishes itself and products become regulated and patented.