It's not even 8/8 yet, but.....

[kbeam418]

They'll have to pry my ecig out of my cold dead hands to get me to stop vaping. I'm a considerate vaper but once I'm outside I vape, I don't care if it's against the law. Heck I'm a contractor at a college that is tobacco free and nobody ever says anything. Of course I'm friends with the police chief their so that helps

 

[kbeam418]

Well I know that in my state people who worked in restaurants and bars were complaining/suing over being exposed to excessive amounts of second hand smoke and trapped because they needed their jobs. From there it went like dominos and spread everywhere. At least that's how I remember it.

That's somewhat true, but a lot of servers didn't want the law to pass. In fact my grandma helped with a petition to stop the law from passing. It was a bull crap law that cost business thousands of dollars.

 

[Completely Average]

Agreed, it is not their job or responsibility to research vaping as well as it is not my job or responsibility to "research" a way to do any of my daily activities based on how others might perceive that activity. Clowns are scary to some people, yet the government has not chosen to regulate clowns with pre-market testing.

I'm not so much disagreeing with you as wanting to point out that if every vaper treats vaping the same as smoking, we are, by example, putting our stamp of approval on vaping being the same as smoking and therefore, the regulations are correct.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way to look at it is every person who vapes where smoking isn't allowed is motivating non-smokers to get vaping banned. Your insisting that it's different motivates non-smokers to push for bans.

Whether we put our stamp of approval on the ban or not is irrelevant. Fact is we are a tiny minority compared to the number of non-smokers, and the more you motivate them to ban vaping the faster vaping will be banned, and there is NOTHING you can do about it because they have the numbers to push their agenda regardless of how we feel about it. Put it to a vote and we lose every single time.

And I guarantee you that every ban that's in place today was put there in response to people just like you. People who insisted they could vape wherever and whenever they wanted, and didn't care how non-smokers felt. Well, the non-smokers stepped up and made their feelings known, and now we have bans.

 

[tony46113]

Well I know that in my state people who worked in restaurants and bars were complaining/suing over being exposed to excessive amounts of second hand smoke and trapped because they needed their jobs. From there it went like dominos and spread everywhere. At least that's how I remember it.

Mine too. In the county that I live in all bars are smoke free and that includes vaping. The only establishments that are exempt would be private clubs. As far as the state of Indiana as a whole, there are still some counties that allow you to smoke and vape in bars. As far as I know, we haven't made a distinction between the two. If smoking is banned, so is vaping.

 

[tony46113]

To be honest, I've always treated vaping like smoking in terms of where it was acceptable and where it was not. When I was using the low power mods that barely put out any vapor a couple of years ago, I did it in public restrooms, but never out in the open like inside a restaurant.

I'm happy enough that I'm not smoking anymore. I don't feel the need to fight for the right to vape at my desk at work or any other place that smoking isn't acceptable. I don't go around blowing huge clouds like in my avatar all of the time, but I still see a valid complaint by non smokers/non vapers. If one person in a restaurant is doing it, it isn't a big deal. However, if half the restaurant were sitting at their tables vaping, it could start to haze up and I understand the frustration. Harmless to their health or not, it's still irritating. Non smokers/non vapers don't expect to see a fog machine at their local Apple Bee's.

 

[Ipster]

To be honest, I've always treated vaping like smoking in terms of where it was acceptable and where it was not. When I was using the low power mods that barely put out any vapor a couple of years ago, I did it in public restrooms, but never out in the open like inside a restaurant.

I'm happy enough that I'm not smoking anymore. I don't feel the need to fight for the right to vape at my desk at work or any other place that smoking isn't acceptable. I don't go around blowing huge clouds like in my avatar all of the time, but I still see a valid complaint by non smokers/non vapers. If one person in a restaurant is doing it, it isn't a big deal. However, if half the restaurant were sitting at their tables vaping, it could start to haze up and I understand the frustration. Harmless to their health or not, it's still irritating. Non smokers/non vapers don't expect to see a fog machine at their local Apple Bee's.

Im going to agree..buts its a sticky icky point. im a tootle puffer. I like to spend at local B&M's when i can- most are >100miles away..so its both a treat and a shock to walk into my Vape shops and barely see the back of the room. i dont want to ever criticize cloudchasers, its cool- but I can certainly see the fear to the avg ANTZ if they walk into such a business for the first time. I dont have to imagine it translated to a restaurant- there's a few game arcades which contain vape shops within...
That said- we all need to fight for the right to vape appropriately.
Cheers.
ip

 

[OlderNDirt]

Well I know that in my state people who worked in restaurants and bars were complaining/suing over being exposed to excessive amounts of second hand smoke and trapped because they needed their jobs. From there it went like dominos and spread everywhere. At least that's how I remember it.

I totally understand and sympathize with those who find themselves trapped in that dilemma, I really do. But I also understand it is the business owner who invested his/her money to establish that business and should be allowed to run that business in the manner they see fit to provide them the best return possible on their investment. I can only speak to what has happened in the state I live in and I can tell you that there were thriving businesses that are no longer there after the statewide smoking ban. Obviously, that didn't work out so well for those employees. And it is not uncommon at all to see some employees standing outside on their breaks getting in a quick smoke or two.

But enough with smoking. Now we are faced with the same exact situation with vaping and as of yet, there is no indication there is any danger of employees being exposed to excessive amounts of second hand vapor.

 

[OlderNDirt]

Another way to look at it is every person who vapes where smoking isn't allowed is motivating non-smokers to get vaping banned. Your insisting that it's different motivates non-smokers to push for bans.

I am not sure where you extrapolated from anything I posted that I "vape where smoking isn't allowed" or suggested anybody else should. And sorry, but I have no idea what you are claiming I am "insisting."

Whether we put our stamp of approval on the ban or not is irrelevant. Fact is we are a tiny minority compared to the number of non-smokers, and the more you motivate them to ban vaping the faster vaping will be banned, and there is NOTHING you can do about it because they have the numbers to push their agenda regardless of how we feel about it. Put it to a vote and we lose every single time.

I must have missed something! I wasn't aware any of us had an opportunity to put our stamp of approval, or not, on anything. Nor do I recall any votes being taken, but maybe there were in another state, I don't know. But if it all comes down to majority rules when voting, why don't we push for a vote to lower taxes. See how that flies.

And I guarantee you that every ban that's in place today was put there in response to people just like you. People who insisted they could vape wherever and whenever they wanted, and didn't care how non-smokers felt. Well, the non-smokers stepped up and made their feelings known, and now we have bans.

"People just like me", huh? You pulled that one out your just to get your rude on! As I said earlier in this post, I never stated I smoked/vaped whenever/wherever I wanted nor did I suggest others do. And you really believe no smoking bans would exist otherwise? Sorry if you cannot understand the concept that if we vapers as a whole take it upon ourselves to only vape where smoking is allowed, we have instituted and accepted our own ban.

But go ahead. Hide in your closet to vape or smoke. Don't say anything cause you might "motivate" others to take action against your vaping or smoking. It won't matter cause you will still be in your closet, happy as a clam, vaping or smoking away. Amazing that you are willing to yell from the hilltops bashing other vapers who are unwilling to lie down and accept the inequities, yet accept those inequities without so much as a peep!

 

[OlderNDirt]

Something I think needs to be taken into consideration and that is the fact different states have different laws relating to smoking, and soon to be vaping. "Only vape where you can smoke" can have completely different meaning depending on where you live. I see others have mentioned fogs in restaurants or smoking being allowed in private clubs. Well, here in Nebraska, neither of those can happen.

Smoking is not only banned everywhere indoors, but many places outdoors (hospital/medical facility grounds, sporting facilities at all levels, some parks, etc.). I believe some cities have even enacted restrictions on how close to a business entrance you can smoke. They immediately killed any possibility of "private clubs" being allowed to smoke. I have heard (don't know for fact) that some employees can't even go to their car to smoke if the car is in the company parking lot. Only vaping where it is legal to smoke is highly restrictive for me and that is probably why I am less willing to just lie down and take it.

 

[Woofer]

And I guarantee you that every ban that's in place today was put there in response to people just like you. People who insisted they could vape wherever and whenever they wanted, and didn't care how non-smokers felt. Well, the non-smokers stepped up and made their feelings known, and now we have bans.

Complete nonsense, thanks for sharing.

 

[Two_Bears]

I totally understand and sympathize with those who find themselves trapped in that dilemma, I really do. But I also understand it is the business owner who invested his/her money to establish that business and should be allowed to run that business in the manner they see fit to provide them the best return possible on their investment. I can only speak to what has happened in the state I live in and I can tell you that there were thriving businesses that are no longer there after the statewide smoking ban. Obviously, that didn't work out so well for those employees. And it is not uncommon at all to see some employees standing outside on their breaks getting in a quick smoke or two.

But enough with smoking. Now we are faced with the same exact situation with vaping and as of yet, there is no indication there is any danger of employees being exposed to excessive amounts of second hand vapor.

Anyone remember the luxury tax on yachts?

Well tyey passed that tax and the Rich went elsewhere to buy their yachts. Then what happened

Tge yacht builders here went out of business, then the people who made anything for the yachts such as engines, sewed the seats. The lumber jacks that sawed down the trees, tge people that finished the trees into lumber.

These Bureaucrats don't have a concept of economics and how the economy really works.

To them its one step economics. They do something because it feels good and not take 5 seconds to look down the road what is going to happen to tge small businesses that build and provides every single component that goes into the item tge Govt tries to punish.

 

[tony46113]

Complete nonsense, thanks for sharing.

Somewhat nonsense, in my opinion. Vaping (e-cigarette) wasn't banned along with regular cigarettes in the bars here, because people where blowing big clouds. I would say it was banned because they shared the same word ... CIGARETTE ... That was enough to put the two into the same category as far as the law goes.

Possibly ... Just maybe the big clouds and vaping where ever, whenever added fuel to the fire, but it was doomed from the use of the term e-cigarette from the start. Why wouldn't it be? What would you think of it, if you had never smoked a cigarette a day in your life?

 

[rgerber]

@house mouse, oh, believe me, at my age I can get away with a plethora of bathroom hits!

Me too, but at 76, I can't always go when feel like I have to. Still, I never waste the chance to squonk. ..go or not....

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[daviedog]

How many Revolutions were started by hiding in the closet?..

 

[Vandal]

How many Revolutions were started by hiding in the closet?..

Well, I have never been in the closet.

I will write letters, sign petitions, talk with people, even march. I have marched in other times and places. I actually was hoping for a march in D.C. since I live very close by there. But I will still have a care with my vaping. I don't think it pays to chance causing bad PR. There's a proper venue for battle, and I don't think people's air space is it.

Still, I will stealth vape when and where I can. To the OP- I could not go 10-12 hours, unless I was asleep the whole time. I would have to figure something out to get me through. Is there anything you can add to (or take away from) e-liquid that will prevent vapor from being visible?

 

[daviedog]

Vapors Lives Matter..

 

[daviedog]

Well, I have never been in the closet.

I will write letters, sign petitions, talk with people, even march. I have marched in other times and places. I actually was hoping for a march in D.C. since I live very close by there. But I will still have a care with my vaping. I don't think it pays to chance causing bad PR. There's a proper venue for battle, and I don't think people's air space is it.

Still, I will stealth vape when and where I can. To the OP- I could not go 10-12 hours, unless I was asleep the whole time. I would have to figure something out to get me through. Is there anything you can add to (or take away from) e-liquid that will prevent vapor from being visible?

You respect peoples 'air space',, yet stealth vape whenever you can?
Your Hypocrisy is delicious..

 

[Woofer]

Somewhat nonsense, in my opinion. Vaping (e-cigarette) wasn't banned along with regular cigarettes in the bars here, because people where blowing big clouds. I would say it was banned because they shared the same word ... CIGARETTE ... That was enough to put the two into the same category as far as the law goes.

Possibly ... Just maybe the big clouds and vaping where ever, whenever added fuel to the fire, but it was doomed from the use of the term e-cigarette from the start. Why wouldn't it be? What would you think of it, if you had never smoked a cigarette a day in your life?

I agree but I think it is much more complex. Many special interest groups are involved, puritans,
captains of industry, politicians, taxes, the master settlement agreement, the alpha orgs.

I also believe many probably most think exactly what they are told to think.

Respect is mutual and earned. Don't tread on me. (like the antz have been doing for decades)

 

[OlderNDirt]

To the OP- I could not go 10-12 hours, unless I was asleep the whole time. I would have to figure something out to get me through. Is there anything you can add to (or take away from) e-liquid that will prevent vapor from being visible?

The 10-12 hours I was referring to was total "flight time", so half that for each way. But probably a bit conservative considering time starts/ends when walking into the airport until walking out when arriving. It might be possible to sneak a vape in the airport restroom before boarding, upon arrival, or on the one layover each way.....but even my limited flying experience tells me not to depend on that. I only sub ohm now, so my options are a bit limited......try a single coil build around 1.5Ω to 2.0Ω on an RTA and see how well I can keep visible vape down, buy a cheap set-up like when I started vaping, or my most likely option, patches !

 

[BoogaWu]

You can get a vision spinner and a ce4 for like $15 off the bay. Not great, but some high nic juice and bathroom breaks and you should be set.
On a side note, last time I was in Lincoln me and my boys vaped up and down O street bar hopping and never even got a dirty look. It's been a few years, but hard to believe it's changed that much. And we've even talked about moving back. Guess no place is perfect.