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    I saw when you first did that - BIG thumbs up from me.

    My lack of artistic skill, including cutting things without massacring them, dates all the way back to Kindergarten. My teacher looked at the bang-up job I did on a piece of construction paper, and said, "Maybe you'll be a great musician." :lol:

    True story.

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    Interesting phenomenon last night. Built up a SS316/L coil for the Serp and dropped it on a Jac Vapour Series B in TC mode. It's a very cool vape, but not undesirable. Wanted to play with the Elitar, so I flipped that into TC mode and ran the coil. Temp settings are significantly cooler on the Elitar (475F on the Jac and about 420F on the Elitar) and it was a much warmer, denser vape. I was Temp Limiting on the Jac, but never on the Elitar.... Ohms locked at about 0.55 on both mods....

    I'd like the Jac to push a little harder - I have the Escribe software, but I'm not sure how to put the Jac into TCR mode. Help?
     

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    Interesting phenomenon last night. Built up a SS316/L coil for the Serp and dropped it on a Jac Vapour Series B in TC mode. It's a very cool vape, but not undesirable. Wanted to play with the Elitar, so I flipped that into TC mode and ran the coil. Temp settings are significantly cooler on the Elitar (475F on the Jac and about 420F on the Elitar) and it was a much warmer, denser vape. I was Temp Limiting on the Jac, but never on the Elitar.... Ohms locked at about 0.55 on both mods....

    I'd like the Jac to push a little harder - I have the Escribe software, but I'm not sure how to put the Jac into TCR mode. Help?
    What kinda power (wattage) setting are you using?
     

    DingerCPA

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    What kinda power (wattage) setting are you using?

    I had it set at about 22.5W. It was hitting Temp limit very quickly. Same power setting on the Elitar, and it wasn't getting much past 400F for the hits I was taking.

    Just "curious" - I'm sure the temp sensing is different between the devices. I need to try on another DNA mod I have to see if it's chipset or what.....

    Thanks :)
     

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    I'd like the Jac to push a little harder - I have the Escribe software, but I'm not sure how to put the Jac into TCR mode. Help?

    Well, let me see if I can help ya out a bit... Just an FYI, I use a Cubis on my eVic VTwo Mini with the stock .5 SS316L coil. I set a TCR of 0135 & get a great vape @ 25w/450F. Realize though, I take fairly long DL pulls & you may or may not need the Wattage/Temp that high. OK now to the JAC & eScribe. Open eScribe (DNA75), then connect the cable to your computer's USB then to your mod. When the "Connect" dialog window pops up, click "OK". Click the "Materials" tab. Click the blue "+" button to add a material. Initally, it will add this to the window just above as "Unnamed" Click on that & it will be highlighted in "blue". Let's give the new material a name & a screen name. Initally I used "JAC 316L TCR" & "108CR" respectively. Now on the lower right of the screen, Click the "Actions" button & select the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (Approximation) option. When the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance" dialog pops up, the value inside will be highlighted in "blue". Type in 0.00108, (that's what I'm currently using for UD SS316L wire), then click "ok". You can always adjust this value up or down later if you want. Now Click the Right facing --> "Green Arrow" button to move the material to the device. Click the "General" tab to set a profile for your device. You can use any profile from 1 to 8. I don't remember what was in the #1 default, but that's the 1st one I used. Now give it a name & a screen name. I just used the same names I used for the material, initially. You can always change them later. Now for the settings, based on what you were using, try 22.5w, 400F then check the "Temperature Dominant" box. Next, select the material you just added from the drop down box. I'm not using preheat so I have "Preheat Power" set to 1w, "Preheat Punch" to Soft & "Preheat Time Limit" to 0. I think this is a good place to start. You can always make adjustments later. Now it's time to load your settings to your mod. Click the "Upload Settings to Device" button. Next you need to select the profile you just created on your mod. Press & hold the up & down buttons until you see "Temp Locked Hold Up and Down". Then double click the up button to access the Profiles, then a single click will scroll through the profiles one by one. When you get the one you want, click the "Fire" button to confirm. If you click on the "Device Monitor" button you can watch your vape in real time. This will help you make adjustments to fine tune your vape. If you decide to make changes just remember to upload your settings each time to effect the changes. Oh almost forgot, when you're done click the "Disconnect" Button before unplugging your mod. Hopefully this is helpful. I'm not great at this kinda stuff but I did my best... :D
     
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    Well, let me see if I can help ya out a bit... Just an FYI, I use a Cubis on my eVic VTwo Mini with the stock .5 SS316L coil. I set a TCR of 0135 & get a great vape @ 25w/450F. Realize though, I take fairly long DL pulls & you may or may not need the Wattage/Temp that high. OK now to the JAC & eScribe. Open eScribe (DNA75), then connect the cable to your computer's USB then to your mod. When the "Connect" dialog window pops up, click "OK". Click the "Materials" tab. Click the blue "+" button to add a material. Initally, it will add this to the window just above as "Unnamed" Click on that & it will be highlighted in "blue". Let's give the new material a name & a screen name. Initally I used "JAC 316L TCR" & "108CR" respectively. Now on the lower right of the screen, Click the "Actions" button & select the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (Approximation) option. When the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance" dialog pops up, the value inside will be highlighted in "blue". Type in 0.00108, (that's what I'm currently using for UD SS316L wire), then click "ok". You can always adjust this value up or down later if you want. Now Click the Right facing --> "Green Arrow" button to move the material to the device. Click the "General" tab to set a profile for your device. You can use any profile from 1 to 8. I don't remember what was in the #1 default, but that's the 1st one I used. Now give it a name & a screen name. I just used the same names I used for the material, initially. You can always change them later. Now for the settings, based on what you were using, try 22.5w, 400F then check the "Temperature Dominant" box. Next, select the material you just added from the drop down box. I'm not using preheat so I have "Preheat Power" set to 1w, "Preheat Punch" to Soft & "Preheat Time Limit" to 0. I think this is a good place to start. You can always make adjustments later. Now it's time to load your settings to your mod. Click the "Upload Settings to Device" button. Next you need to select the profile you just created on your mod. Press & hold the up & down buttons until you see "Temp Locked Hold Up and Down". Then double click the up button to access the Profiles, then a single click will scroll through the profiles one by one. When you get the one you want, click the "Fire" button to confirm. If you click on the "Device Monitor" button you can watch your vape in real time. This will help you make adjustments to fine tune your vape. If you decide to make changes just remember to upload your settings each time to effect the changes. Oh almost forgot, when you're done click the "Disconnect" Button before unplugging your mod. Hopefully this is helpful. I'm not great at this kinda stuff but I did my best... :D

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    DingerCPA

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    Well, let me see if I can help ya out a bit... Just an FYI, I use a Cubis on my eVic VTwo Mini with the stock .5 SS316L coil. I set a TCR of 0135 & get a great vape @ 25w/450F. Realize though, I take fairly long DL pulls & you may or may not need the Wattage/Temp that high. OK now to the JAC & eScribe. Open eScribe (DNA75), then connect the cable to your computer's USB then to your mod. When the "Connect" dialog window pops up, click "OK". Click the "Materials" tab. Click the blue "+" button to add a material. Initally, it will add this to the window just above as "Unnamed" Click on that & it will be highlighted in "blue". Let's give the new material a name & a screen name. Initally I used "JAC 316L TCR" & "108CR" respectively. Now on the lower right of the screen, Click the "Actions" button & select the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (Approximation) option. When the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance" dialog pops up, the value inside will be highlighted in "blue". Type in 0.00108, (that's what I'm currently using for UD SS316L wire), then click "ok". You can always adjust this value up or down later if you want. Now Click the Right facing --> "Green Arrow" button to move the material to the device. Click the "General" tab to set a profile for your device. You can use any profile from 1 to 8. I don't remember what was in the #1 default, but that's the 1st one I used. Now give it a name & a screen name. I just used the same names I used for the material, initially. You can always change them later. Now for the settings, based on what you were using, try 22.5w, 400F then check the "Temperature Dominant" box. Next, select the material you just added from the drop down box. I'm not using preheat so I have "Preheat Power" set to 1w, "Preheat Punch" to Soft & "Preheat Time Limit" to 0. I think this is a good place to start. You can always make adjustments later. Now it's time to load your settings to your mod. Click the "Upload Settings to Device" button. Next you need to select the profile you just created on your mod. Press & hold the up & down buttons until you see "Temp Locked Hold Up and Down". Then double click the up button to access the Profiles, then a single click will scroll through the profiles one by one. When you get the one you want, click the "Fire" button to confirm. If you click on the "Device Monitor" button you can watch your vape in real time. This will help you make adjustments to fine tune your vape. If you decide to make changes just remember to upload your settings each time to effect the changes. Oh almost forgot, when you're done click the "Disconnect" Button before unplugging your mod. Hopefully this is helpful. I'm not great at this kinda stuff but I did my best... :D

    Thank you Darlin' Dobro! I'm futzing with a different mod today, but I'll give this a "perch and twirl" this evening when I get home. :)
     

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    Thank you Darlin' Dobro! I'm futzing with a different mod today, but I'll give this a "perch and twirl" this evening when I get home. :)

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    Well, let me see if I can help ya out a bit... Just an FYI, I use a Cubis on my eVic VTwo Mini with the stock .5 SS316L coil. I set a TCR of 0135 & get a great vape @ 25w/450F. Realize though, I take fairly long DL pulls & you may or may not need the Wattage/Temp that high. OK now to the JAC & eScribe. Open eScribe (DNA75), then connect the cable to your computer's USB then to your mod. When the "Connect" dialog window pops up, click "OK". Click the "Materials" tab. Click the blue "+" button to add a material. Initally, it will add this to the window just above as "Unnamed" Click on that & it will be highlighted in "blue". Let's give the new material a name & a screen name. Initally I used "JAC 316L TCR" & "108CR" respectively. Now on the lower right of the screen, Click the "Actions" button & select the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (Approximation) option. When the "Temperature Coefficient of Resistance" dialog pops up, the value inside will be highlighted in "blue". Type in 0.00108, (that's what I'm currently using for UD SS316L wire), then click "ok". You can always adjust this value up or down later if you want. Now Click the Right facing --> "Green Arrow" button to move the material to the device. Click the "General" tab to set a profile for your device. You can use any profile from 1 to 8. I don't remember what was in the #1 default, but that's the 1st one I used. Now give it a name & a screen name. I just used the same names I used for the material, initially. You can always change them later. Now for the settings, based on what you were using, try 22.5w, 400F then check the "Temperature Dominant" box. Next, select the material you just added from the drop down box. I'm not using preheat so I have "Preheat Power" set to 1w, "Preheat Punch" to Soft & "Preheat Time Limit" to 0. I think this is a good place to start. You can always make adjustments later. Now it's time to load your settings to your mod. Click the "Upload Settings to Device" button. Next you need to select the profile you just created on your mod. Press & hold the up & down buttons until you see "Temp Locked Hold Up and Down". Then double click the up button to access the Profiles, then a single click will scroll through the profiles one by one. When you get the one you want, click the "Fire" button to confirm. If you click on the "Device Monitor" button you can watch your vape in real time. This will help you make adjustments to fine tune your vape. If you decide to make changes just remember to upload your settings each time to effect the changes. Oh almost forgot, when you're done click the "Disconnect" Button before unplugging your mod. Hopefully this is helpful. I'm not great at this kinda stuff but I did my best... :D

    Very well done! Thank you. I'm still patiently waiting for Evolv to complete the beta Mac version of eScribe, so I definitely bookmarked your post. Right now I'm using one of the stock profiles for SS316 and using TemCo wire. Do you know how well the stock setting work w/ this wire? Or should I still tweak it when I can use eScribe?
     

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    Very well done! Thank you. I'm still patiently waiting for Evolv to complete the beta Mac version of eScribe, so I definitely bookmarked your post. Right now I'm using one of the stock profiles for SS316 and using TemCo wire. Do you know how well the stock setting work w/ this wire? Or should I still tweak it when I can use eScribe?

    Thank you, hopefully the info will be helpful for any that decide to play with eScribe. I haven't used any TemCo wire myself, so I don't know the answer. Currently, I only have UD & Master of Clouds 24ga SS316L wire and 0.00108 TCR works well for both. I typically use a 3mm, .3 - .35 single spaced coil @ 30w/420F. I can get the stock 316L profile to work, I just have to increase the temp setting to around 470F or so to get the same/similar vape. Hopefully evolve will have the Mac version of the software available sooner rather than later. The Device Monitor in eScribe is an invaluable tool to fine tune your vape. :D
     

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    Thank you, hopefully the info will be helpful for any that decide to play with eScribe. I haven't used any TemCo wire myself, so I don't know the answer. Currently, I only have UD & Master of Clouds 24ga SS316L wire and 0.00108 TCR works well for both. I typically use a 3mm, .3 - .35 single spaced coil @ 30w/420F. I can get the stock 316L profile to work, I just have to increase the temp setting to around 470F or so to get the same/similar vape. Hopefully evolve will have the Mac version of the software available sooner rather than later. The Device Monitor in eScribe is an invaluable tool to fine tune your vape. :D

    TEMCo's SS wire is 316L. The stock profile I'm using is profile #3, SS 316. So it makes we wonder which type of SS wire its setup for ... "316" or "316L". Time will tell as I await the MAC eScribe.
     

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    TEMCo's SS wire is 316L. The stock profile I'm using is profile #3, SS 316. So it makes we wonder which type of SS wire its setup for ... "316" or "316L". Time will tell as I await the MAC eScribe.

    316 and 316L have essentially the same TCR. However, one of the advantages of a DNA mod is the ability to download and install TCR curves, which you can get off of Steam Engine, and are generally provide a more reliable basis for the chip to control the temperature. You will have to import and the upload the install with eScribe, but it's not difficult.
     

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    Maybe someone can enlighten me... (Fuggetabout it, Kat. You can't help.)

    In TC, the wattage is set high enough to very quickly get the coil up to temp, then the wattage drops and varies to maintain the set temp. So, what is the logic behind having a pre-heat setting in TC? And, why is there no pre-heat setting in Power (VW) mode on the DNA boards, where it could help to get the kanthal hot quickly? (OK, that second question is for Evolv to answer. Other brands do it.) (And, yeah, I've seen where you can jig the DNA into doing a pre-heat on Kanthal [https://forum.evolvapor.com/topic/65540-preheat-in-kanthal-it-works/].)
     
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