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Chinner

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I live about 40 miles from the Detroit/Windsor border and I am really tempted to do just that DFP.


It's so sad that this is our best option. I think I'm going to look into one of those mailboxes in the near future. I can always use an extra excuse to spend a weekend in Niagara lol..
 

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Just keep in mind that there's a $5 fee per package, so try to order from one or two suppliers.

The best way I found to get across the border without getting searched is to order something non-ecig related from Amazon or another site, something of moderate value (i.e. $100 or so) that way when you get to the border you hand the customs officer your passport and the receipt - you tell him that you're aware you have to pay duties on the item and that it still ends up being cheaper than buying it in Canada blah blah blah - that way you appear to be a stand up citizen with nothing to hide and he'll just direct you to the customs office, you go in pay the 14-15% and you're on your way without getting your car searched :)

I suppose if you're just ordering attys etc. you could declare them but I find it's not worth the hassle of trying to explain.

I hope there are no customs agents reading this thread :)
 

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It has been awhile since I made a *run for the border* and used to go over there at least twice a month. I have never been searched or hassled. Although the dogs and gun toting US customs agents scare the hell out of me. After 911, I made fewer trips because of this. But the next time I place an order from China or the US, I will be using the Kinek mail and see how it goes.

They state on the Kinek site that it is $4 per package, then there is the $12 return ferry fare, so I will have to make it worth my while.
 

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Hello guys, I just wanted to rant about how I feel with the whole nicotine ban on Canada.
I really feel jealous of our neighbors, the USA vapers. I mean, they can order from tons of sites, some of the best tasting juices, most awesome mods and they dont have to worry not even a bit about their stuff getting seized by customs.:closedeyes:...
Sorry if I exaggerated a little bit, just wanted to express my feelings. Does anyone here feel the same?... :vapor:

I think almost without exception - everyone here feels the same. The situation here is not new with this industry though - it's hurt dozens of industries in Canada.

The problem is really 3 fold:

1. Canada's regulatory environment is closer (though far more patronizing) to the European system - rather than the US system. Regulations and restrictions are passed often without consideration or testing or specific reasons.

2. Canadas land mass is 1.25% larger than the US - but the population is small - very small. It's only slightly higher than the population of the greater New York area and less than 1/3 of Britian. So the government has a smaller tax base to work with and businesses have a smaller consumer base to work with. Ergo - higher taxes, higher costs. Product manufacturers - in every industry - do not give the same discounts to Canadian businesses for that very reason - and most products have to have some kind of guaranteed consumer base here before they land this side of the border.

3. We have a very, very lazy press corps. New regulations can pass into law and the press just smiles, bends over and reports it. Nothing gets challenged. Nothing gets looked into and it doesn't seem that Canadians mind all that much. We're about the only country in the world where citizens can ignore the news for a year and never miss anything. This is likely the crucial problem with vaping.....

Example: Bill C36. CBC announced earlier this month that "the new consumer protection law came into effect today, giving authorities better tools to protect Canadian children from dangerous goods".

Hmm... sounds nice right?

Of course CBC failed to mention that the entire health industry has been fighting this law, or that the senate nearly got into a fist fight during discussions, or that legal experts believe this law will never stand up to a court challenge, or that it cancels a guaranteed right in the Canadian Charter of Rights, or that it's unlikely that it will ever be used on a large corporation, or that it gives a single government worker the power to shut down any small business he or she wants to without reason or the ability of that business to challenge it, or that it gives government clerks powers exceeding that of the RCMP.

... now THAT would make a story. But Canada's press corps remain stubbornly unwilling to report it.

That said - I firmly believe that if Vapers continue to speak out and push - things will change.

....maybe we need a vaper to take an internship as a page in parliament??? (....just sayin.....):2cool:
 

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I personally really like the fact a supplier posted in this thread. Thank you. Given I work for the gov't I can fully appreciate the bs that comes with dealing with regulations and bills and the population vs land mass "issue" in canada. I think my own personal issue comes maily for the cost of hardware, which doesn't really fall into the issues mentioned above. Liquid on the other hand I sort of expect to pay a bit of mark up given the regulatory situation. And I can say I do order 80% of my liquid in Canada.

But as I'm less of a newbie now and really have started looking at various websites, it's the cartos, atties, batteries, chargers, cones etc. that bother me more. Even if the cost was slightly elevated I'd be happier ordering within the country. But often it's much higher.

But yes, because of the situation I do plan to continue to support suppliers in canada, just not 100% of my vaping dollars.

Again though, thanks for posting in this thread. Very much appreciate the input.
 

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I feel for you guys. I've shown dogs in Canada, and sold them to Canadians. I have never met a Canadian who wasnt willing to help. You are friendly and supportive. I used to spend Thanksgiving in Toronto- its a beautiful place.
Not Iris, is that place in Ohio? Perhaps near Sandusky? PM me if so.

Just a question: Has Canada banned the import of INSECTICIDE??????
 

Not Iris

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Not Iris, is that place in Ohio? Perhaps near Sandusky? PM me if so.

Not Sandusky. I would be taking the ferry from Sombra and cross to Marine City, Michigan.
Just a question: Has Canada banned the import of INSECTICIDE??????

Ontario has banned insecticides, not sure about the rest of the country. Also has banned Herbicides in Ontario. Health Canada says that it is bad for us. LOL The nanny state is alive and well. As far as I know, the farming community is still able to use both so I can still get my hands on some.
 

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I feel for you guys. I've shown dogs in Canada, and sold them to Canadians. I have never met a Canadian who wasnt willing to help. You are friendly and supportive. I used to spend Thanksgiving in Toronto- its a beautiful place.
Not Iris, is that place in Ohio? Perhaps near Sandusky? PM me if so.

Just a question: Has Canada banned the import of INSECTICIDE??????

Hey - I think I know what you're getting at. While nic insecticide isn't banned - it is sold under very strict controls. So you can't slip into your local farm store and pick up a bottle. ....
 

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Hi Concat. I completely agree with you - I'm angry too over the lack of progress. I've sent you two PM's with update info re: the suit, what happened with it...as well as the plan that followed, and what's happened with that. Emotions are running pretty high right now, so I think a public airing right now would only make things worse. Don't want to burn any bridges irreparably.

Suffice to say, with a few exceptions...I'm pretty well fed up with most of our Canadian industry now, and will be adjusting my purchases & recommendations accordingly, ASAP. If our vendors want to stick their heads in the sand, to blazes with them.

ummmmmmmmm, I thought it was a slam dunk case??
 

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Suffice to say, with a few exceptions...I'm pretty well fed up with most of our Canadian industry now, and will be adjusting my purchases & recommendations accordingly, ASAP. If our vendors want to stick their heads in the sand, to blazes with them.

Does that include Happy vaper as I am sure he isn't stirring any pots??? I believe I narrow paint brush is of the essence here.
 

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Of course CBC failed to mention that the entire health industry has been fighting this law, or that the senate nearly got into a fist fight during discussions, or that legal experts believe this law will never stand up to a court challenge, or that it cancels a guaranteed right in the Canadian Charter of Rights, or that it's unlikely that it will ever be used on a large corporation, or that it gives a single government worker the power to shut down any small business he or she wants to without reason or the ability of that business to challenge it, or that it gives government clerks powers exceeding that of the RCMP.

This is one of Canada worst moments in letting Bill C-36 become legislation. It happened quietly but is a very dark day in our history. Kanadiankat has this nailed for how severe this bill infringes on basic rights as Canadians. An arm of the government can take anything they want from anyone without a warrant and without any recourse or having to answer to any higher authority.

What does that remind you of?
 

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Canadian government is too safe. They protect people, so they have to study of the matter they concern. This is the only reason that can convince me to feel happy. Hope it can help you too!

I believe the Canadian Govt is too reliant on funds raised by sin tax and campaign kickbacks from tobacco consumer groups and is hiding civil rights abuses within the guise of health concerns.

They flounder and try and stall the eventual siphoning of funds away from what has been greedily gathered for too long.
 

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    in a cave, eh?
    i stumbled on this thread sorry canadians have you all seen trailer park boys maybe we could hook up an elaborate train system to transfer the good stuff too ya i gots family in vt but again sorry

    Is there a Canadian here who HASN'T watched The Trailer Park Boys? (Up here, we get it with the swearing un-bleeped. :D). As far as getting supplies goes, we can still get the good stuff, but it costs a little more and it takes a little longer. And sometimes Canada Customs rears its ugly head. Most of the packages I get are very good about reassuring the nice customs officers in the contents summary on the customs form. ;)

    In Canada, Electro Vapors is a good vendor. $8.99 flat-rate shipping via Express Post, which is quick enough for me. I also like CdnVapor. I only use HappyVaper for certain hardware items.

    The government crap is a pain, but I get weirdly excited about ordering stuff online and waiting for the mail to arrive. :D
     
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