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I sure hope he is spending the time to get involved with tobacco Reduction Harm experts.
If he was armed with all of the information available, and could organize it and present it well, this could be a homerun.
If he was armed with all of the information available, and could organize it and present it well, this could be a homerun.
Personally I think ol' Cameron is looking at blu more than bloog/volt for his inspiration. -sigh. High kit prices, no pcc's and although cheaper than say, njoy sewersuckers, his refills are 12.50/5 which....feels awfully "blu" to me. :-/ It is nice that he's taking an active stance, but not at all impressed with the pricing/gear available at this point. Just once I wish one of these "mainstreamers" would get on it and make something NEW/useful/reasonably priced as opposed to just copycatting what's already out there.
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that doesn't mean anything. how many vapers do you know that started out with crap like blu/Njoy/Greensmoke, came here, and started using the good stuff?
"Cameron's talk at The National Press Club was well attended and stands as a testament that Cameron has become the foremost expert in the field of electronic cigarettes."
Hmmmmm, foremost expert huh? Not so sure about that, but it is great that he is FOR electronic cigs and well known and speaking out for all of us.
Hmmmmm, foremost expert huh? Not so sure about that, but it is great that he is FOR electronic cigs and well known and speaking out for all of us.
And how many more started out with crap and went back to cigarettes? Well you count ME in that "more"....I gave up on "e-cigs" after njoy/blu and xhale. They were ridiculously overpriced, crap batteries, false statements on cartridge/carto duration, and flavors were substandard across the board --being extremely polite here.
It MATTERS.
I didn't come HERE until I chanced upon a google search months later regarding an article online about the eGo. It matters. A lot.
Oh and how many folks do I know that came here and became "converts"? One. Eventually me. I know 5 people personally that tried e-cigs and gave them up as ridiculous after going through the same thing I did. Two of em' won't even listen to me now that I've discovered the "good stuff".
Never judge forum numbers as the 'actual' numbers. 95% of folks don't bother with forums. They try and use or try and disgard based on what they have in hand or have to buy at the local store, and if the 'face' of vaping is blu/njoy/xhale02 etc.....then we lose more than we gain. Period.
you got a point. we really need to do something about those guys, I know I got totally screwed by Green Nicotine, one of the worst scammers in the industry, and I think it's a bad thing to underestimate the damage caused to the e-cig industry by them. my point was that somebody like John Cameron is going to find the good stuff.
Casey, there's a lot of truth in what you say. Even with a decent manual 510, I wasn't able to get many converts. It takes some effort and experimentation until you find something that works. Long run, PVs can be cheaper, but those first few months can discourage a smoker back to the cigs.
Just as a quick addendum to this...the safecig facebook page reads like the happyhappyjoyjoy of all things e-cig, or a late night infomercial about "fill in the blanks awesome gimmicky crap"...but try and post a negative or ask a question there as to why the prices are so high compared to volt/bloog/smoov/etc....and watch how fast it disappears.
Personally, as a consumer with a few brain cells, these things are a serious turnoff. It would sure be nice to see Grimm or Busardo or one of "our" reviewers get their hands on this stuff and take it for a test drive.
Its more than a little annoying to me to see shysters schilling for e-cigarette customers, as this imho in the long run will do more harm than good. Perhaps the product is "all that", but on its face, it appears to be another "me too!" entrepreneur jumping on a bandwagon just to make a fast buck...who cares how many people get turned off by it.
Hope I'm wrong, as his name recognition would definitely be a benefit to gaining attention to this method of harm reduction.
Personally, as a consumer with a few brain cells, these things are a serious turnoff. It would sure be nice to see Grimm or Busardo or one of "our" reviewers get their hands on this stuff and take it for a test drive.
Its more than a little annoying to me to see shysters schilling for e-cigarette customers, as this imho in the long run will do more harm than good. Perhaps the product is "all that", but on its face, it appears to be another "me too!" entrepreneur jumping on a bandwagon just to make a fast buck...who cares how many people get turned off by it.
Hope I'm wrong, as his name recognition would definitely be a benefit to gaining attention to this method of harm reduction.
From the article:
Leading expert???
Where is he getting the numbers?
Seriously- it sounds like (maybe) this guys heart is in the right place. Methinks some REAL experts need to contact him with some information.
BEst,
Ande
Leading expert???
Where is he getting the numbers?
Seriously- it sounds like (maybe) this guys heart is in the right place. Methinks some REAL experts need to contact him with some information.
BEst,
Ande
I was going to respond that perhaps he was talking "global" instead of US, so I decided to check first. According to this story, Smoking's Global Death Toll - CBS News
the global death toll is more like 4.8 million...
It does bother me that he talks about "tobacco-related deaths", buying into the ANTZ misdirection.
Although there probably are some deaths in Eastern countries from smoke-free types of tobacco, given the higher content of carcinogens and the use of other (non-tobacco) plants in the products.
When we in THR discuss the safety of smokeless tobacco products, we are referring to western products that have been processed to reduce the content of Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines. Since his target market is US smokers, it would be better if he stuck with US statistics and if he kept the discussions of disease and deaths squarely on the cause of these problems: inhaling smoke.
the global death toll is more like 4.8 million...
It does bother me that he talks about "tobacco-related deaths", buying into the ANTZ misdirection.
Although there probably are some deaths in Eastern countries from smoke-free types of tobacco, given the higher content of carcinogens and the use of other (non-tobacco) plants in the products.
When we in THR discuss the safety of smokeless tobacco products, we are referring to western products that have been processed to reduce the content of Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines. Since his target market is US smokers, it would be better if he stuck with US statistics and if he kept the discussions of disease and deaths squarely on the cause of these problems: inhaling smoke.
He does well for a newcomer, and is obviously experienced at speaking in public and dealing with the media. The big thing is that because he is a name, he gets the attention of the media. They love names more than anything else in the world - the name telling it is far more important than the message.
If he learned more of the background it would be useful. However, a future problem is that he is probably in the "mini ecig, carto-only, no flavors, no liquid refills, noob sales specialists" group that will play alongside the FDA when things start to get tough.
If he learned more of the background it would be useful. However, a future problem is that he is probably in the "mini ecig, carto-only, no flavors, no liquid refills, noob sales specialists" group that will play alongside the FDA when things start to get tough.
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