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Joye 510 or Vapor king?
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Thank you for correcting my typo and being a complete .... over it.
It's not really a problem. I'm sure one day I will own both and probably a few other devices. It's just that I'm a newbie and I want to make the right choice for my first one so that I don't get discouraged and just toss it. Each of these two seem like the right choice, it's not like I'm going to buy a mall cigarette or the Blu or something like that.
The 510 seems the easiest to refill, just pull it off and fill it. You can replace the filler with many different materials. The VK is a little more involved but not difficult to refill but the filler cannot be replaced and it can burn and the whole carto is ruined.
The battery on the VK lasts longer than the 510.
The atty on the 510 is not built in so it can last long. The atty in the VK is built in and if you burn the filling then the atty is ruined.
There a few other things to compare but this post is long enough already. lol
The idea of this thread was to see what everyone liked and why. I may just have to flip a coin like Rosa said. Both are really great devices from what I can tell. I'm trying to convince my girlfriend that vaping is easier and cheaper than smoking. Maybe the VK would be easier for that and easier for her, just fill the cartos and let her go.
I like them both and both have good reasons for getting each one. I'm just trying to find out what everyone else thinks about these two.
Thanks again to everyone who answered this thread so far.
The 510 seems the easiest to refill, just pull it off and fill it. You can replace the filler with many different materials. The VK is a little more involved but not difficult to refill but the filler cannot be replaced and it can burn and the whole carto is ruined.
The battery on the VK lasts longer than the 510.
The atty on the 510 is not built in so it can last long. The atty in the VK is built in and if you burn the filling then the atty is ruined.
There a few other things to compare but this post is long enough already. lol
The idea of this thread was to see what everyone liked and why. I may just have to flip a coin like Rosa said. Both are really great devices from what I can tell. I'm trying to convince my girlfriend that vaping is easier and cheaper than smoking. Maybe the VK would be easier for that and easier for her, just fill the cartos and let her go.
I like them both and both have good reasons for getting each one. I'm just trying to find out what everyone else thinks about these two.
Thanks again to everyone who answered this thread so far.
My vote would go to the 510 or 901. Both very easy to use and can be adapted for carts if you feel like trying them.
V4L has a VK kit that has everything you will ever need(5 cartos, 2 batteries, PT, PCC, carrying case, usb and regular charger) all for $90
Cignot has a Joye 510 kit that has almost everything you will ever need(5 carts, 2 batteries, 2 attys, AC charger, PCC, and two bottles of juice) all for $65
I guess all in all the 510 kit is cheaper, and I could get a USB charger for cheap and even a cheap PT. And like everyone said I could get a adapter for the cartos and try them out.
Cignot has a Joye 510 kit that has almost everything you will ever need(5 carts, 2 batteries, 2 attys, AC charger, PCC, and two bottles of juice) all for $65
I guess all in all the 510 kit is cheaper, and I could get a USB charger for cheap and even a cheap PT. And like everyone said I could get a adapter for the cartos and try them out.
Oh, you're welcome. Always such a pleasure when I manage to meet people on their own level.
Here's my opinion....I have both, the 510 wins by miles, more vapor, better flavor. the KR cartz are horribly inconsistant and to me require almost as much hassle as the 510 carts. even when you get a really good cartomizer, they don't produce as much vapor as the 510 atty, they are noisy, and most are painfully harsh on the throat. But the KR batteries are better than the 510 batteries..I bought a couple $3 adapters so I can use my 510 attys on my KR batts (it's great!), or cartomizers on my 510 batts (not so great) Honestly, everyone's different and you just have to try the different models out to see which one fits you best.
The very best 3.7 vape I've tried is the Bartleby, but that's another conversation.....
The very best 3.7 vape I've tried is the Bartleby, but that's another conversation.....
So where did you get the adaptors , and what are they?
I just ordered a 510 and have the 808 so I would like to try this too.
thanks so much!
The OP asked a simple question and did NOT ask to be put in the middle of your newest attack on the KR8.Please dont drag every newbie into your problem.Figure out how to get a sollution to suit you or use a different unit.Dont ruin it for everyone else.I sucked on burning paper leaves and 4000 chemicals for over 30 years.I prefer cartomizers to that.If you want perfect safe and healthy,then dont smoke or vape.Its pretty simple and clear.
Personally started out with green smoke ( not greencig) I do like it very much ,but the cartos are difficult to refill properly ( though I do manage to do it)
They do have some good tasting cartos though. Cartos are expensive, so I wanted to try refilling something easier,
I tried the BLu, and promptly send it back. not for me , or anyone really that is a serious vapor , they are tiny and dont hold much juice at all.
I then went on to the Vapor King portable charging kit and I love that one. The cartos are easy to refill and it is a neat small portable kit in my pocket. The battery lasts for hours and I like it alot.
I ordered a 501 that hasnt come yet. I want to try it really just for home use.
I get the feeling this will be my final salution, The V4L vapor king is great for on the go.
I think the 501 will be great for home use.
I will probably sell my green smoke kits. I really like them a lot however the cartos are too expensive for me no matter how good they are , and they really are good.
They do have some good tasting cartos though. Cartos are expensive, so I wanted to try refilling something easier,
I tried the BLu, and promptly send it back. not for me , or anyone really that is a serious vapor , they are tiny and dont hold much juice at all.
I then went on to the Vapor King portable charging kit and I love that one. The cartos are easy to refill and it is a neat small portable kit in my pocket. The battery lasts for hours and I like it alot.
I ordered a 501 that hasnt come yet. I want to try it really just for home use.
I get the feeling this will be my final salution, The V4L vapor king is great for on the go.
I think the 501 will be great for home use.
I will probably sell my green smoke kits. I really like them a lot however the cartos are too expensive for me no matter how good they are , and they really are good.
You have probably figured out that there are people who are fans of one or the other. I think they both have their places. And I happen to have both. They are both good starter systems.
The biggest problem for me with the 510 is that the regular batteries don't last very long at all. (It is the unit I began with.) Having the PCC does make the short battery life easier to deal with. I would still recommend that you get extra batteries (at least 4 total) and two atomizers. The PCC is a must. If you decide to go with the mega batteries be aware that PCCs for that length of battery are hard to come by. You can charge the mega batteries in a standard PCC but you would need to use a rubberband or rig up something similar to get it to work. The 510 does produce nice vapor. The cartridges are not difficult to fill, but even with the blue foam dart filler (my favorite so far) they really don't last long. Filling carts while driving or busy doing other things really isn't feasible. If you sit at a desk all day it is much easier to handle. Dripping is a great way to get around the cart issue, but again, this is easiest if you are fairly sedentary. The automatic version of the batteries are very susceptible to activation by loud noises and wind.
The Kr8 is much easier to deal with if you do a lot of driving or will be unable to fiddle with carts for longer periods of time. The standard batteries last much longer. The automatic batteries are activated by suction so unintentional activation really isn't an issue. Cartomizers make it easy to change flavors. My biggest issue with this model is that the pre-filled cartomizers taste terrible to me! Not everyone has that opinion however. I buy blanks and fill them with my own liquid. Filling and refilling really isn't an issue. It is very easy to do. Even easier than filling 510 carts in my opinion. You do have to be vigilante at filling and topping off your cartomizers. I would recommend starting with three batteries and a couple of boxes of cartomizers. The PCC makes being away from power easier.
If you want to try both I would recommend that you buy a Kr8 kit, get a Kr8 to 510 adapter, a 510 atty, and some 510 cartridges. My reasoning is simple... the Kr8 battery lasts longer and puts out a slightly higher voltage.
Cignot is a great supplier for Joye 510 starter kits. And LiteCigUSA has good prices on the Kr8 kits. Vapor4Life has neat colors and tons of flavors of cartomizers, but I think they are a bit expensive and I don't like there flavors at all. (Almost every one tastes like perfume to me!) All three have excellent customer service.
Good luck in deciding what you want to start with! Oh! Be sure to buy at least three small bottles of liquid in various nicotine levels so you can play around until you figure out what level is right for you.
The biggest problem for me with the 510 is that the regular batteries don't last very long at all. (It is the unit I began with.) Having the PCC does make the short battery life easier to deal with. I would still recommend that you get extra batteries (at least 4 total) and two atomizers. The PCC is a must. If you decide to go with the mega batteries be aware that PCCs for that length of battery are hard to come by. You can charge the mega batteries in a standard PCC but you would need to use a rubberband or rig up something similar to get it to work. The 510 does produce nice vapor. The cartridges are not difficult to fill, but even with the blue foam dart filler (my favorite so far) they really don't last long. Filling carts while driving or busy doing other things really isn't feasible. If you sit at a desk all day it is much easier to handle. Dripping is a great way to get around the cart issue, but again, this is easiest if you are fairly sedentary. The automatic version of the batteries are very susceptible to activation by loud noises and wind.
The Kr8 is much easier to deal with if you do a lot of driving or will be unable to fiddle with carts for longer periods of time. The standard batteries last much longer. The automatic batteries are activated by suction so unintentional activation really isn't an issue. Cartomizers make it easy to change flavors. My biggest issue with this model is that the pre-filled cartomizers taste terrible to me! Not everyone has that opinion however. I buy blanks and fill them with my own liquid. Filling and refilling really isn't an issue. It is very easy to do. Even easier than filling 510 carts in my opinion. You do have to be vigilante at filling and topping off your cartomizers. I would recommend starting with three batteries and a couple of boxes of cartomizers. The PCC makes being away from power easier.
If you want to try both I would recommend that you buy a Kr8 kit, get a Kr8 to 510 adapter, a 510 atty, and some 510 cartridges. My reasoning is simple... the Kr8 battery lasts longer and puts out a slightly higher voltage.
Cignot is a great supplier for Joye 510 starter kits. And LiteCigUSA has good prices on the Kr8 kits. Vapor4Life has neat colors and tons of flavors of cartomizers, but I think they are a bit expensive and I don't like there flavors at all. (Almost every one tastes like perfume to me!) All three have excellent customer service.
Good luck in deciding what you want to start with! Oh! Be sure to buy at least three small bottles of liquid in various nicotine levels so you can play around until you figure out what level is right for you.
I'd definitely have to concur on this. I did it the other way around (bought the 510 kit and then got the adapter for cartos) and found that the 510 battery just doesn't have the stones to get much performance out of the cartos. I just figured the cartos were crap. Well after trying cartos on a 3.7v battery, it turns out they're not so bad after all. I guess that extra half volt makes all the difference.
I still feel that dripping onto a 510 atty gives the best performance on any battery though. I spend a lot of my day at a desk where dripping is not a hassle, so I won't be ditching the 510s any time soon. But for driving, or even out at a bar where 510 carts might be a hassle, I don't think I'd have any problem giving up some performance in exchange for the convenience of cartomizers.
Here's a little something I posted in another thread regarding the KR808 vs the 510 if you are interested:
I'll also repeat that the cartomizer system is nifty and convenient for some, and vendors like v4l have great marketing and a growing following (they are really "selling a lifestyle", the starbucks business model), but at the end of the day a simple 510 will outperform it, it's cheap, and there's no risk of inhaling byproducts of combusting filler.
Best of luck with your decision. I also feel it would be hard to beat the sincere customer service provided by cignot.com, the best service I've ever experienced online comes from those ladies. Check them out for their $35 no-box 510 kit, get some juice, and get vaping
I'll also repeat that the cartomizer system is nifty and convenient for some, and vendors like v4l have great marketing and a growing following (they are really "selling a lifestyle", the starbucks business model
), but at the end of the day a simple 510 will outperform it, it's cheap, and there's no risk of inhaling byproducts of combusting filler. Best of luck with your decision. I also feel it would be hard to beat the sincere customer service provided by cignot.com, the best service I've ever experienced online comes from those ladies. Check them out for their $35 no-box 510 kit, get some juice, and get vaping
Size wise you can't beat a 510 with a whistle tip(def order some 901s if you get one fit better) but I love the ease of use of an 808, I was having to top off too much with the 510s, tried alot of mods and none really worked, but as for vapor production and as a started it was great, still use it for mods and around the house but stick to the 808 when I am out. If you decide you want a vapor king look in the sale section there is a deal on shorty kits or try cigeasy good prices there, you can get 2 batteries, PCC and cartos for 50 bucks I think it was, plus free bottle of juice. 510 would be a good starter kit tho, it will help you taste a dry cart with out burning anything.
Get the 510 first IMO. It's cheaper and right now your not even sure if vaping will replace your smoking. It certainly will if you want it to. Cignot has great prices, customer service, the pre-constructed tea mod tips, and genuine Joye products.
Here's another reason for the 510; you probably won't know what your favorite vape will be. I have the KR808 and it's a great machine. However, you pay some bucks for cartos and may end up not liking the flavors at all. I've flat tossed some nasty and non-working carto's right into the trash. The 510 is great for trying out new flavors and it brings the taste out much better in my view.
Once you get the hang of it, then replace the not so great batteries with a mod. You'll already have the other stuff you need for transition over to a nice 3.7 mod device. It's a bit more work than the KR but you will soon find out if you really want to quit analogs.
Just my experience but I went to the KR following the 510 and the cost shot way up. One thing I managed to avoid was all the gushing about this new flavor carto is just awesome, that's something I've gotta have, and all the other hoopla over some new carto flavor. Just get a basic juice and ease into the drivers seat with the Joye cart.
I now have a mod device and the 510 is my go to machine and it's actually kind of fun to mess around with. However, one persons fun can be another persons hassle. 510 got me off the nasties and now I've gone back to it.
Good Luck
Here's another reason for the 510; you probably won't know what your favorite vape will be. I have the KR808 and it's a great machine. However, you pay some bucks for cartos and may end up not liking the flavors at all. I've flat tossed some nasty and non-working carto's right into the trash. The 510 is great for trying out new flavors and it brings the taste out much better in my view.
Once you get the hang of it, then replace the not so great batteries with a mod. You'll already have the other stuff you need for transition over to a nice 3.7 mod device. It's a bit more work than the KR but you will soon find out if you really want to quit analogs.
Just my experience but I went to the KR following the 510 and the cost shot way up. One thing I managed to avoid was all the gushing about this new flavor carto is just awesome, that's something I've gotta have, and all the other hoopla over some new carto flavor. Just get a basic juice and ease into the drivers seat with the Joye cart.
I now have a mod device and the 510 is my go to machine and it's actually kind of fun to mess around with. However, one persons fun can be another persons hassle. 510 got me off the nasties and now I've gone back to it.
Good Luck
One thing to keep in mind in making your decision:
I don't really recommend getting a 510 and then getting an KR-808 adapter to try cartos.
Why?
The 808 battery sold by vapor4life is a TRUE 3.7 volt battery whereas all of the 510 I've seen tested are in the neighborhood of 3.0-3.1 volts and while .6-.7 volts may not sound like a big difference but it really is IMHO when it comes to both flavor and vapor.
Personally I have a Vapor King and the hit, battery life and flavor compares favorably with all of the $100 "mods" you're going to start wanting if you find e-cigs work for you. I had two of them (The Chameleon and The Protege) and sold one because it just seemed silly to me to hold onto a $100 item when I was getting the same kick from my $15 v4l battery.
I tried e-cigs last year and failed because the addict in me told me it wasn't worth the hassle: just pick up an analogue and light it - you don't need to mess with this stuff - a year later I came back to this forum and found out about cartos (they didn't exist early last year or I didn't know they did) and I just knew they would work for me and they did.
I fully understand people having concerns about burning cartos, etc. but I have ripped apart 12 and only had a problem: very minor singe on the fabric inside - I mean microscopic singe and I knew I had vaped it too long. I have never had a horrible flavor - to me it is very apparent when a carto is running dry (both flavor and vapor drop - the one exception being with menthol cartos) and if you persist you will get a marshmallow type of taste. I have never experienced any kind of horrible, burning flavor.
Good luck whatever you decide!
I don't really recommend getting a 510 and then getting an KR-808 adapter to try cartos.
Why?
The 808 battery sold by vapor4life is a TRUE 3.7 volt battery whereas all of the 510 I've seen tested are in the neighborhood of 3.0-3.1 volts and while .6-.7 volts may not sound like a big difference but it really is IMHO when it comes to both flavor and vapor.
Personally I have a Vapor King and the hit, battery life and flavor compares favorably with all of the $100 "mods" you're going to start wanting if you find e-cigs work for you. I had two of them (The Chameleon and The Protege) and sold one because it just seemed silly to me to hold onto a $100 item when I was getting the same kick from my $15 v4l battery.
I tried e-cigs last year and failed because the addict in me told me it wasn't worth the hassle: just pick up an analogue and light it - you don't need to mess with this stuff - a year later I came back to this forum and found out about cartos (they didn't exist early last year or I didn't know they did) and I just knew they would work for me and they did.
I fully understand people having concerns about burning cartos, etc. but I have ripped apart 12 and only had a problem: very minor singe on the fabric inside - I mean microscopic singe and I knew I had vaped it too long. I have never had a horrible flavor - to me it is very apparent when a carto is running dry (both flavor and vapor drop - the one exception being with menthol cartos) and if you persist you will get a marshmallow type of taste. I have never experienced any kind of horrible, burning flavor.
Good luck whatever you decide!
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Using 3.1v stuff on 3.7v (or the other way around) is indeed not a very good idea, one gets to sharp, the other too mellow. (Well, unless you prefer it that way, which some do.)
KR8 batteries are great for 901 atties, though.
KR8 batteries are great for 901 atties, though.
Wow seriously?...unless you're running a carto on the mod using a 3.7V option they in no way perform the same..even less so if you're using GOOD batteries on the mod..and I can back that up with the math and Ohm's law..and if it's just a flavor discussion well then on deicate flavors that do better on lower heat then even an 801 or 901 would do better...
The KR8 (vapor king) is very middle of the road mediocre ...and then when you couple it with the burning carto issues (and lots of people are having them) it's just...meh...
I've had both and I'd buy a 801 or 901 before I bought any more KR8 stuff...it's that unimpressive...
Yes, Drozd - I was running the carto on the Chameleon at 3.7v and on the Protege at 3.7v and I kept switching the carto between my Chameleon and XL v4l battery and kept trying to find a difference so I could justify keeping a $10 mod but I couldn't (and cartos were unvapeable IMHO at 6v so I sold the sleeve to born) It is only slightly better on my Protege because the Protege only has one air hole and I like a tighter draw.
There is no doubt if you're dripping that a HV mod would blow any standard stock battery away but I don't think this gentleman is looking to get into mods right away so I didn't even mention how great cartos are on my Prodigy v2 at 5v or even my PT @ 5v. It's already hard enough for someone new to decide what they want.
Didn't mean to freak you out.
Hi Dooz107;
From one noobie to another, I think the 510 is great! I haven't had mine for very long, but I'm very comfortable with it. I like the option of either filling my own carts (which isn't complicated) or using the pre-filled carts as a backup. Personally, I like filling my own carts because I can control how much I put in there.
I hope to buy other models eventually, but for now the 510 suits me. If you do buy a 510, I would recommend a genuine Joye model. Good quality. I ordered mine from Cignot. Good prices, great customer service, and fast shipping. You may check if they still have a special on their 510 starter kit. (I still get it backwards too!! 510 not 501 ) Just be sure you order extra cartridges--blank or prefilled--and e-juice.
I hope this helps you. When I first joined, I was having information overload from so much to choose from! Many members came to my rescue and helped me. This is a great place for noobies!
If you stick with the basics at first you'll be fine.
Happy vaping!
From one noobie to another, I think the 510 is great! I haven't had mine for very long, but I'm very comfortable with it. I like the option of either filling my own carts (which isn't complicated) or using the pre-filled carts as a backup. Personally, I like filling my own carts because I can control how much I put in there.
I hope to buy other models eventually, but for now the 510 suits me. If you do buy a 510, I would recommend a genuine Joye model. Good quality. I ordered mine from Cignot. Good prices, great customer service, and fast shipping. You may check if they still have a special on their 510 starter kit. (I still get it backwards too!! 510 not 501
) Just be sure you order extra cartridges--blank or prefilled--and e-juice. I hope this helps you. When I first joined, I was having information overload from so much to choose from! Many members came to my rescue and helped me. This is a great place for noobies!
If you stick with the basics at first you'll be fine.
Happy vaping!
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