Joye 510 woes for new user.

[Turok]

Firstly, hello everyone. I've been lurking for about three weeks now and finally decided it was time to sign up.

I've written this post a couple times now, lets see if I can make this version a little more coherent. I'm having some problems with my Joye 510. First few days were great, wasn't getting the smoke stack clouds of vapor you see on youtube videos, but it was enough to simulate smoking. As I moved on to my second 5ml sample bottle of liquid, the vapor production began to significantly lessen. I ordered two 30ml bottles of liquid from vikingvapor, I'm not getting any vapor on exhale and very little by just drawing it into my mouth.

Things I've tried:

1. Blowing excess juice out of atty. This does nothing.
2. Dripping. Gets me little mouth vapor and zero exhale vapor.
3. Cartridges. Gets me little mouth vapor and zero exhale vapor.
4. Using fresh batteries.
5. Mixing liquids together. (i.e. I drop of liquid A on to atty and one drop of liquid B. I did this by mistake two days ago and I was getting MASSIVE flavor and vapor. Doesn't seem to work anymore.)
6. I believe I'm vaping correctly. 3-5 second pull into mouth and then pull that into my lungs. I'm only holding the button 1-2 seconds before taking a puff.

Things I've noticed:

1. Atty seems to be working correctly. It heats up, turns red, etc.
2. I may not be getting vapor, but I'm still getting taste.
3. I'm also getting throat hit, just no vapor...


What's the deal here? User error? Bad juice? Two atties that happen to by dying at the same time.. After barely a week and a half of use? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I REALLY don't want to go back to smokes. This severe chronic asthmatic is enjoying his smoke free lungs.

 

[brandon555]

My guess is that it's the juice.

It could also be that the atty is flooded, but you said you've blown the excess out which rules that out.

Try some different juice if you can.

If the atty is glowing red it should definitely be producing vapor.

 

[5cardstud]

My guess is your trying to use it like a cigarette. Try taking long, slow drags

 

[irwink]

First off chill and take a deep breath. I started with a 510 kit just a few weeks ago. I experienced the same type of thing early on. I blew the atties out to no real avail. I'd read a bunch of threads on cleaning atties and against the advice of some I cleaned one with plain old rubbing alcohol out of the medicine cabinet. I figured I had nothing to lose.

I used an eyedropper and forced about 5 shots through the attie from the cartridge end and then let it soak in the alcohol for about an hour. I then forced 5 eyedropper shots through it again, blew it out and did dry burns until very little alcohol residue vapors were evident (don't inhale it!). I then primed the attie with a couple of drops of juice, stuck a filled cartridge on and proceeded to vape away with like new performance. That first attie finally died about a week ago but that was about 6 weeks after that first noob cleaning effort.

Others will likely disagree with that method. All I know is that it worked for me and got me over the hump. I later modified my method and forced hot tap water through the cartridge end of the attie for a minute or so but still finished off by flushing with the alcohol/eyedropper forced flush and a dry burn if I wished to use the attie right away. That one dead veteran attie has been the only casualty to date and I'd classify myself a heavy vaper.

Whatever and however, you'll get over the noob humps too. Hang in. Order spares for everything. It'll get better. Much better.

 

[Whistle_Pig]

6. I believe I'm vaping correctly. 3-5 second pull into mouth and then pull that into my lungs. I'm only holding the button 1-2 seconds before taking a puff.

Probably not germaine to your specific problem, but you don't need to pre-heat the atty. Just push the button and take a draw.

Are your juices all PG based?

 

[CaptJay]

Is your juice all PG? PG and VG mixed or all VG?
Some all PG juice doesn't give a large amount of vapor.
Sounds like your atties are working fine, but it might be (MIGHT BE) the juice, or the way you vape it.

 

[MsSki]

Im sorry your having a hard time, there is a learrning curve to all this. My aadvice would the same as capt Jay

 

[martha1014]

My suggestion would be to try another atomizer and see if you have the same problem. If you do then it must be you. If it works good with another atomizer then it was your atomizer.

 

[7thCabal]

Don't know if your doing this: Hold the button down while taking a pull.
I knew of someone pushing the button, & not holding the button down trying to get a drag-- don't work so well.

 

[Ntjordan]

Couldn't tell if you have tried them, but cartomizers solved these problems for me. Was having the exact same thing going on, cartomizers fixed them all. Lots and lots of vapor, great flavor, and very easy to use.

If you haven't tried them, I really suggest you do. Here is where I got mine, so I know they fit the 510, but this is just one place to pick them up.
Joye 510

Warning: the prefill flavors are less then awesome. I like the USA mix ok, but I really think just getting blanks and some liquid is the way to go. Sounds like you have the liquid, so this might be a cheap way to get you satisfied again. Keep up the fight, it will be worth it in the end.

 

[Hoosier]

Slow & longer draws.

An alcohol flush, like mentioned above, may help, but with a fairly new Joye atty shouldn't be needed...yet.

Hit the button just a split second before you start to draw and see how slow you can draw it into your mouth & see if that helps at all.

 

[Turok]

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I am a noob here and I'm trying my best to make this work. Its nice having to use my inhaler 20 times less every day.

My guess is your trying to use it like a cigarette. Try taking long, slow drags

I don't think so. I've read the guide on how to properly smoke one of these and like I said, at first I was really enjoying it. My drags are about five seconds each and I draw at a consistent slow speed.

First off chill and take a deep breath. I started with a 510 kit just a few weeks ago. I experienced the same type of thing early on. I blew the atties out to no real avail. I'd read a bunch of threads on cleaning atties and against the advice of some I cleaned one with plain old rubbing alcohol out of the medicine cabinet. I figured I had nothing to lose.

I used an eyedropper and forced about 5 shots through the attie from the cartridge end and then let it soak in the alcohol for about an hour. I then forced 5 eyedropper shots through it again, blew it out and did dry burns until very little alcohol residue vapors were evident (don't inhale it!). I then primed the attie with a couple of drops of juice, stuck a filled cartridge on and proceeded to vape away with like new performance. That first attie finally died about a week ago but that was about 6 weeks after that first noob cleaning effort.

Others will likely disagree with that method. All I know is that it worked for me and got me over the hump. I later modified my method and forced hot tap water through the cartridge end of the attie for a minute or so but still finished off by flushing with the alcohol/eyedropper forced flush and a dry burn if I wished to use the attie right away. That one dead veteran attie has been the only casualty to date and I'd classify myself a heavy vaper.

Whatever and however, you'll get over the noob humps too. Hang in. Order spares for everything. It'll get better. Much better.

Before writing this post I let my second atty sit in vodka for about an hour and I'm gonna let it dry for the next two days. Is vodka sufficient enough for cleaning? I've read that some people do that, and its all I really had available. I'm kind of worried about the effects of accidentally vaping alcohol, how long should I wait for it to completely evaporate and how long should I dry burn for?

Probably not germaine to your specific problem, but you don't need to pre-heat the atty. Just push the button and take a draw.

Oh, I thought this was necessary to do. Ok, thanks for the tip.

Is your juice all PG? PG and VG mixed or all VG?
Some all PG juice doesn't give a large amount of vapor.
Sounds like your atties are working fine, but it might be (MIGHT BE) the juice, or the way you vape it.

Yes, I'm correctly trying Vikingvapor.com chocolate 24mg full flavor PG juice. Now that you mention it, I've seen people post about 80/20 combinations. Is this why people mix, for more vapor?

My suggestion would be to try another atomizer and see if you have the same problem. If you do then it must be you. If it works good with another atomizer then it was your atomizer.

Its both atties, that's why I've been assuming user error as well. As I type this, I've finally got the device back to a place where I can get my nic hits. I've filled an old cart with as much juice as I could cram into it and I'm now getting an ok amount of vapor. I have no idea why this didn't work the last few times I tried it.

 

[5cardstud]

Couldn't tell if you have tried them, but cartomizers solved these problems for me. Was having the exact same thing going on, cartomizers fixed them all. Lots and lots of vapor, great flavor, and very easy to use.

If you haven't tried them, I really suggest you do. Here is where I got mine, so I know they fit the 510, but this is just one place to pick them up.
Joye 510

Warning: the prefill flavors are less then awesome. I like the USA mix ok, but I really think just getting blanks and some liquid is the way to go. Sounds like you have the liquid, so this might be a cheap way to get you satisfied again. Keep up the fight, it will be worth it in the end.

Thats the best answer and the one I used. These cartos are great and you'll never go back.

 

[Turok]

Sorry for the typos, can't seem to find the button to edit posts.

 

[Turok]

Thats the best answer and the one I used. These cartos are great and you'll never go back.

What exactly is a cartomizer or I should ask, how do you use liquid with something that I assume is just one piece?

 

[Whistle_Pig]

What exactly is a cartomizer or I should ask, how do you use liquid with something that I assume is just one piece?

A cartomizer is an atomizer and cartridge combined in 1 unit. Lots of people like them and recommend them. Lots of other people, myself included, are doing fine with separate atomizer and cartridge.

Standard disclaimers apply, YMMV, try at your own risk, etc. But when I got my first 510 kit, I soaked the attys in PGA for a bit, with the occasional shake, gave 'em a quick rinse under the tap, blew 'em out, primed with a few drops of e-juice, and got to vaping. None of mine are having any trouble. Yes, there are concerns about mineral deposits in your atty from tap water. Well, call me impatient -- guilty as charged. Alcohol will evaporate pretty quickly. If you're concerned about it, then drip 2-3 drops of e-juice directly on the wick, and puff'n'blow (i.e. do not inhale) a bit to burn off the alcohol.

Or, play it a bit safer, and read the sticky threads on the Joye 510 subforum. Particularly "Everything you ever wanted to know ...".

 

[kaboom]

Hi Turok, I've had my 510 for about two weeks now, and had similar issues in the beginning.

I don't have the vapor problem at all anymore, but honestly, it still baffles me WHY it just went away. The vapor production for me seems to be the best on a well charged, well filled, 510 AFTER I've been using it for a few minutes. Maybe it's all about the atomizer wicking properly and getting some heat going? If I knew.

 

[bsoplinger]

Glad to hear you've gotten things worked out. The primer from the factory needs to be completely gone. That's part of why people say there is a break in period for attys. Even with blowing them out some of the primer is still there. Only when its completely gone does the atty work like it should. I'd guess it was a combination of the VikingVapor juice and no break in time. I like the VV juice but its definitely thicker than 'regular' Chinese produced 100%PG juice. Any atty I use with it needs to be blown out at least every other day and sometimes needs a cleaning.

Let us know if the problem comes back and I'll cross my fingers you're gonna be vaping well.

I'll second the suggestion to look through that long everything about the 510 thread (its good for non 510 users, its that well written). Look into some of the simpler cart mods to help get juice to wick to the atty better. I believe some are mentioned in the everything thread. It'll improve your vape experience.

 

[budster]

Remove the threads from the atomizer. Not the stuffing inside the cartridges. Do a search here on how to remove the threads. It will bring the beast to life! Also, cut your cartridge stuffing to 33% of it's original length. It's way too long from the factory!

 

[CaptJay]

Whilebudster's advice is decent for a poorly performing atty, I wouldn't do it to a brand new one, not if you intend using carts.
It may be the atty jsut needs some 'running in' time, it may be the juice; I'd try a different juice before I started messing with the atty unless I was going to exclusively drip in future. Just my 2cents.