My OCC had a weird taste to it. I hoped it would go away, but after about 10 minutes, I chucked it. I didn't buy it for the OCCs anyway, so I wasn't upset.
joyetech delta II vs Kanger subtank mini
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My OCC had a weird taste to it. I hoped it would go away, but after about 10 minutes, I chucked it. I didn't buy it for the OCCs anyway, so I wasn't upset.
I have the STMini and Delta II and have mixed feeling about them both..
The vape is slightly different, but not + or - for either tank.
I prefer the rba on the Delta II but am not sure if it's stainless or chromed brass, it has knurling on the base and top which is nice and can accommodate up to a 3.5mm ID coil vs 3mm max ID on the Mini..
The STMini is by far easier to fill, tear down and clean and offers a nearly identical vape on the RBA.
The Delta II RBA has 2mm juice channels vs 1.5mm channels on the STmini RBA..
I enlarged the channels on one of my STMini RBA's to 2mm which helps with wicking a little, but not much..
Overall both are great, I can't make up my mind on whats better so I carry both with me for now
Edit: thought I would add that I've had the STMini for a little over a month with no issues at all with the tan insulators or using tank breaker juices, I've only had the Delta II for about a week..
The vape is slightly different, but not + or - for either tank.
I prefer the rba on the Delta II but am not sure if it's stainless or chromed brass, it has knurling on the base and top which is nice and can accommodate up to a 3.5mm ID coil vs 3mm max ID on the Mini..
The STMini is by far easier to fill, tear down and clean and offers a nearly identical vape on the RBA.
The Delta II RBA has 2mm juice channels vs 1.5mm channels on the STmini RBA..
I enlarged the channels on one of my STMini RBA's to 2mm which helps with wicking a little, but not much..
Overall both are great, I can't make up my mind on whats better so I carry both with me for now
Edit: thought I would add that I've had the STMini for a little over a month with no issues at all with the tan insulators or using tank breaker juices, I've only had the Delta II for about a week..
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I was considering both of these tanks as well and decided on the Sub Tank Mini (it is ordered but I haven'y received it yet).
I don't think you could go wrong with either... but the factors that swayed me were as follows:
1) the STM is less power hungry
2) RBA is included (as well as replacement tank and o-rings)
3) easier fill, clean, and juice level view
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One thing that I really like about the D2 is the AFC... it looks more friendly to tighten down the airflow. My biggest concern about the STM is that it may be too airy for me even at the lowest setting. Maybe a more restrictive drip tip might help? Any thoughts from STM owners?
I don't think you could go wrong with either... but the factors that swayed me were as follows:
1) the STM is less power hungry
2) RBA is included (as well as replacement tank and o-rings)
3) easier fill, clean, and juice level view
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One thing that I really like about the D2 is the AFC... it looks more friendly to tighten down the airflow. My biggest concern about the STM is that it may be too airy for me even at the lowest setting. Maybe a more restrictive drip tip might help? Any thoughts from STM owners?
You can set the AFC so it only covers half or less of the single air hole. You should be OK for a restricted flow.
i don`t have the delta 2 so can`t comment on it but i got a sub tank mini about a month ago and liked it so much that i bought another. my 3 kayfuns are dust collectors now. best tank by far that i`ve used so far and i may pick up 1 or 2 more because i like switching flavors throughout the day.
All true and valid points.
I seem to have to push my Delta to much higher wattages to get the same vape as I do with my Subtank Mini's (I have more than a few), so I agree that the Mini seems to be more efficient.
And I really dislike the Delta for filling as compared to the Subtank. It's harder to fill and almost impossible to see the juice level.
Then there's the whistling with the Delta II.
Overall I give the nod to the Subtank. Better vape at lower power, which is good for better battery life, easier to fill and see your juice level, easier to clean, cheaper pre-made coils (if you use them), and a lot less noisy. Though the Delta is STILL better than the Aspire Atlantis, but that's another topic altogether.
After a few days with the STM I feel pretty good about my decision.
I immediately swapped out the red o-rings for the included black ones... (red looked good, just a bit to flashy for my tastes).
I am typically a mouth-to-lung-hitter but I have found that I am enjoying the 1.2 ohm coil at 16W and the airflow wide open.
It does feel a bit airy being wide open but it produces a relatively cool vape with this configuration.
It is definitely a different vaping style than to which I am accustomed, but, so far so good.
On my more restricted airflow gear I might take a draw for 6- 8 seconds. With the STM I can get that same hit with a 2- 3 second draw.
I ordered an Istick50 for fear that the STM might look wonky on my 20 & 30 watt sticks, but really, I think it looks just fine on all of them.
Simple fix to this issue. Only buy your equipment from trusted vendors or b&ms. There is really no need to go to Joyetech about anything or give them your card number. Dealing with sending back a 30 dollar tank for repair is not worth it in my book. I would much rather mosey on down to a b&m and buy a new one hassle free.
This part is in reference to the machine oil taste on Kanger Subtank OCC heads. I have never had this issue with genuine coil heads. I have however had this issue with non-genuine coil heads. Counter fitting in China is legal and is rampant and many vendors here purposely buy the cheaper ones to maximize their profits or they simply bought from a Chinese vendor who lied to them, which is common no matter where you live. I've purchased the cheap non-genuine ones off of Angelcigs and Fasttech, their about a dollar a piece but they are by all means inferior to genuine coils but in their defense, they made no attempts to label them as authentic. I knew I was buying non-genuine coils and I wanted to see how they stacked up. Their Ohm's are all over the place, the coil leads need to be trimmed and they certainly need to be cleaned. However non of those issues make them useless, they just need a little extra attention before use. My preferred place to buy genuine Subtank coils and all other Subtank parts is Sweet-Vapes.
As for which is the better tank, Delta II vs Subtank Plus/Mini/Nano or anything else currently on the market, it's all going to come down to personal preference, as with most vaping devices. The Subtank series has one flaw and that is the RBA head, which there are apparently close to six different iterations of. These variations come through with how the channels were drilled and what sort of insulator was used. Yes it's is a bit frustrating on one side but on the other side Kanger has taken great steps to improve the issues and will send you new insulators if you mail them. It's a bit of a hassle but it's also a good sign of faith to its customers from Kanger, which is awesome!
I will say, that I have never tried the Delta II, it's a nice looking tank but it's to highly priced and so are the coils for it and so are the replacement parts for it, if you can find them, unlike the Kanger Subtank's who's parts are readily available, fairly priced and easily found. There are also a few things about the Delta II that turn me off, for the price, no copper should be being used, period, that is a slap in the face to us. The ceramic "stuff" in the coils is also a huge red flag, don't ever use any coil with ceramic material in it, it isn't safe and that has been proven. Which is also why Aspire has/is moving away from ceramic/whatever materials. The Delta II looks really nice but it would have been nicer if the windows were a little larger and I have read that people do have a hard time seeing the juice level and I have heard that it is a little more of a pain to fill than other tanks.
If you own a Delta II and love it, then great for you and I would recommend only ever using the RBA head from now on. If your thinking of buying one, I wouldn't recommend it, purely based on the ceramic material in the coils, it isn't safe, not to mention their made of copper and are ridiculously over priced. Especially when we have so many sub ohm tanks on the market now who don't use cheaper or ceramic materials.
I probably have close to thirty different tanks, from Kayfun's to Nautilus's, Aerotank's, LEMO/MELO's, Atlantis's 1 and 2, including the Subtank Plus (V2), Subtank Nano and Subtank Mini. I'm not trying to brag but the point is, 99% of the time, you will see me only using one tank and that is the Kanger Subtank Mini, I actually own four of them because it is so awesome. It really is such an amazing tank, it has great airflow, five different colorways of o-rings for customization, cheaply replaceable glass, Fasttech even offers different colored glass. It's build quality is fantastic, there is nothing cheap or questionable about it. It simply is the best tank I own and I probably wont buy anymore non-Kanger Subtanks, ever. This is exactly what I have been looking for in my year and a half of vaping and now that I have found it, there is simply no need to keep looking.
I would also like to state the MELO is also an awesome tank to consider, the coils are awesome and at $20-22 per MELO and $10-12 for a set of five coils for the budget minded Sub-Ohm'er, you really can't go with the MELO. The Atlantis 1 and 2 are also awesome tanks. They are all really great tanks and all completely 100% compatible with one another. So if you want the MELO flat top on an Atlantis 2 air flow control valve, go for it. I also think the cheaper MELO coils work better than the Atlantis V1 and V2 coils. Then especially if you add an Anyvape Segatank RBA head to it, which will also work with the MELO and both versions of the Atlantis, you will be golden. DiscountVapers sells them $5.95.
Even with all of that, if I could recommend one tank to rule them all, it's hands down the Kanger Subtank Mini, considering you get one with a newer RBA head and if you do get or have a bad one, you can pick up the newest and best one from Sweet-Vapes for $7.95 while you wait for Kanger to send you a new insulator free of charge.
I would personally never encourage anyone to pick up a Delta II, it has questionable materials, poor customer reputation, potentially unsafe coils and cheaply made overpriced components. I would however and do recommend the Kanger Subtank Mini to everyone. The Nano and Plus versions are also equally great but for me, a guy with most of my mods at 22mm, the Kanger Subtank Mini looks amazing, no matter what I throw it on.
Every product and company has it's flaws too, nothing or no one is free from flaw but that fact that Kanger is taking a very proactive step to fix the RBA heads at no cost to you speaks volumes about them and I will continue to support and do business with any company who takes care of and values it's customers!
As far as I am concerned, the absolute best possible vaping experience as of 4/20/2015 includes a Kanger Subtank Mini, a temperature sensing mod like the DNA40, using Ni200 coils and some tasty juice, that combo spells game over for any other possible scenario. Anything else is just overkill and unsafe and I don't care if you have a 500watt mod with eight coils in it that can drain 10ml of juice in one puff, lol.
As for which is the better tank, Delta II vs Subtank Plus/Mini/Nano or anything else currently on the market, it's all going to come down to personal preference, as with most vaping devices. The Subtank series has one flaw and that is the RBA head, which there are apparently close to six different iterations of. These variations come through with how the channels were drilled and what sort of insulator was used. Yes it's is a bit frustrating on one side but on the other side Kanger has taken great steps to improve the issues and will send you new insulators if you mail them. It's a bit of a hassle but it's also a good sign of faith to its customers from Kanger, which is awesome!
I will say, that I have never tried the Delta II, it's a nice looking tank but it's to highly priced and so are the coils for it and so are the replacement parts for it, if you can find them, unlike the Kanger Subtank's who's parts are readily available, fairly priced and easily found. There are also a few things about the Delta II that turn me off, for the price, no copper should be being used, period, that is a slap in the face to us. The ceramic "stuff" in the coils is also a huge red flag, don't ever use any coil with ceramic material in it, it isn't safe and that has been proven. Which is also why Aspire has/is moving away from ceramic/whatever materials. The Delta II looks really nice but it would have been nicer if the windows were a little larger and I have read that people do have a hard time seeing the juice level and I have heard that it is a little more of a pain to fill than other tanks.
If you own a Delta II and love it, then great for you and I would recommend only ever using the RBA head from now on. If your thinking of buying one, I wouldn't recommend it, purely based on the ceramic material in the coils, it isn't safe, not to mention their made of copper and are ridiculously over priced. Especially when we have so many sub ohm tanks on the market now who don't use cheaper or ceramic materials.
I probably have close to thirty different tanks, from Kayfun's to Nautilus's, Aerotank's, LEMO/MELO's, Atlantis's 1 and 2, including the Subtank Plus (V2), Subtank Nano and Subtank Mini. I'm not trying to brag but the point is, 99% of the time, you will see me only using one tank and that is the Kanger Subtank Mini, I actually own four of them because it is so awesome. It really is such an amazing tank, it has great airflow, five different colorways of o-rings for customization, cheaply replaceable glass, Fasttech even offers different colored glass. It's build quality is fantastic, there is nothing cheap or questionable about it. It simply is the best tank I own and I probably wont buy anymore non-Kanger Subtanks, ever. This is exactly what I have been looking for in my year and a half of vaping and now that I have found it, there is simply no need to keep looking.
I would also like to state the MELO is also an awesome tank to consider, the coils are awesome and at $20-22 per MELO and $10-12 for a set of five coils for the budget minded Sub-Ohm'er, you really can't go with the MELO. The Atlantis 1 and 2 are also awesome tanks. They are all really great tanks and all completely 100% compatible with one another. So if you want the MELO flat top on an Atlantis 2 air flow control valve, go for it. I also think the cheaper MELO coils work better than the Atlantis V1 and V2 coils. Then especially if you add an Anyvape Segatank RBA head to it, which will also work with the MELO and both versions of the Atlantis, you will be golden. DiscountVapers sells them $5.95.
Even with all of that, if I could recommend one tank to rule them all, it's hands down the Kanger Subtank Mini, considering you get one with a newer RBA head and if you do get or have a bad one, you can pick up the newest and best one from Sweet-Vapes for $7.95 while you wait for Kanger to send you a new insulator free of charge.
I would personally never encourage anyone to pick up a Delta II, it has questionable materials, poor customer reputation, potentially unsafe coils and cheaply made overpriced components. I would however and do recommend the Kanger Subtank Mini to everyone. The Nano and Plus versions are also equally great but for me, a guy with most of my mods at 22mm, the Kanger Subtank Mini looks amazing, no matter what I throw it on.
Every product and company has it's flaws too, nothing or no one is free from flaw but that fact that Kanger is taking a very proactive step to fix the RBA heads at no cost to you speaks volumes about them and I will continue to support and do business with any company who takes care of and values it's customers!
As far as I am concerned, the absolute best possible vaping experience as of 4/20/2015 includes a Kanger Subtank Mini, a temperature sensing mod like the DNA40, using Ni200 coils and some tasty juice, that combo spells game over for any other possible scenario. Anything else is just overkill and unsafe and I don't care if you have a 500watt mod with eight coils in it that can drain 10ml of juice in one puff, lol.
The Melo uses the same kind of mandmade fibre that the Delta 2 is using. Not surprising, since Eleaf belongs to Joyetech.
While I can't argue that Eleaf isn't owned by Joyetech, which was a smart buy for them. I'm pretty sure that Eleaf still produces their own stuff in their own factory. Kind of like Budweiser is longer longer an American owned company. The beer sold in the U.S. is still manufactured in the same factories.
Eleaf claims "the wick used inside is organic cotton" on their website. So I can only go by what they are telling us, which may or may not be true. I've personally never taken any coil apart except for the Kanger OCC's coils, which are without a doubt, 100% organic cotton.
Thanks for pointing out that the MELO coils may be made with questionable materials as well. This really strengthens the argument in favor of the Kanger Subtank series. And makes me even happier that I own, use and thoroughly enjoy them over any other tank, even over the new Atlantis 2.
I'd also like to point out that Kanger is about to soon release an updated Air Flow Controller for the Subtank, with a second airflow channel like the Atlantis 2.
Eleaf claims "the wick used inside is organic cotton" on their website. So I can only go by what they are telling us, which may or may not be true. I've personally never taken any coil apart except for the Kanger OCC's coils, which are without a doubt, 100% organic cotton.
Thanks for pointing out that the MELO coils may be made with questionable materials as well. This really strengthens the argument in favor of the Kanger Subtank series. And makes me even happier that I own, use and thoroughly enjoy them over any other tank, even over the new Atlantis 2.
I'd also like to point out that Kanger is about to soon release an updated Air Flow Controller for the Subtank, with a second airflow channel like the Atlantis 2.
updated airflow for stmini are now in users hands, i prefer subtanks as they are more user friendly than deltas
Few Youtubers took the Melo coils apart (RIP Trippers among others) and found flocky material as an inner layer of the wicking (just as in the Delta 2).
To answer the topic from my perspective:
I first got the Delta 2, was not satisfied (as coils only lasted few days on me without exceeding 30W; now I think that maybe I did not pull hard enough).
Got the Subtank Mini instead. Boom. I am totally satisfied. Easy to fill and maintain, tastes good from the very first puff, many goodies included, customisable through different O-rings, good tank capacity, RBA base works very well (I had no wicking problems at all, super easy to build and Kanger offers 20 coils and wicking material for about 5 bucks), drip tip prevents juice from getting into your mouth since its shaped convex, options for the prebuild coils (I like the 1,2 coils more than the 0,5 coils, because I like a cooler vape), no leaking problems whatsoever, no gurgling, very little spitback... I enjoy the safety to have a stock coil with me in case my own build does not work any more. Kanger seems to take feedback into account. Dissolving insulator - corrected. RBA wicking problems - longer juice channels. Restrictive airflow - widening the air flow at first, than make two openings.
I think its pretty fair to call the Subtank Mini the "peoples champ". I mean there is a reason that the main Subtank Mini thread in this forum is like ten times bigger than the threads dedicated to most other subohm tanks.
BTW: Chainvaping my Subtank Mini I fog up smaller rooms in like 5 to 10 minutes. There may be other tanks that produce more vapor, but I definitely do not need that!!!
Only drawback: It is not made for mouth to lung inhale. Considering MTL I would recommend a Nautilus over the Subtank Mini.
To answer the topic from my perspective:
I first got the Delta 2, was not satisfied (as coils only lasted few days on me without exceeding 30W; now I think that maybe I did not pull hard enough).
Got the Subtank Mini instead. Boom. I am totally satisfied. Easy to fill and maintain, tastes good from the very first puff, many goodies included, customisable through different O-rings, good tank capacity, RBA base works very well (I had no wicking problems at all, super easy to build and Kanger offers 20 coils and wicking material for about 5 bucks), drip tip prevents juice from getting into your mouth since its shaped convex, options for the prebuild coils (I like the 1,2 coils more than the 0,5 coils, because I like a cooler vape), no leaking problems whatsoever, no gurgling, very little spitback... I enjoy the safety to have a stock coil with me in case my own build does not work any more. Kanger seems to take feedback into account. Dissolving insulator - corrected. RBA wicking problems - longer juice channels. Restrictive airflow - widening the air flow at first, than make two openings.
I think its pretty fair to call the Subtank Mini the "peoples champ". I mean there is a reason that the main Subtank Mini thread in this forum is like ten times bigger than the threads dedicated to most other subohm tanks.
BTW: Chainvaping my Subtank Mini I fog up smaller rooms in like 5 to 10 minutes. There may be other tanks that produce more vapor, but I definitely do not need that!!!
Only drawback: It is not made for mouth to lung inhale. Considering MTL I would recommend a Nautilus over the Subtank Mini.
Oooh, with the dual sided slots?
Have any idea where I can pick one up?
I asked the ECF member who has his where he got it and he said from Momandpopsvaporshop. I contacted sweet-vapes and they responded (quickly as hell), but they don't have them in yet.
I think the new Kanger Subtank Plus/V2 comes with a dual sided air flow control ring. Maybe that is what his picture was of?
Speaking of Sweet-Vapes and the Subtank Mini. I recently ordered the spare Mini insulators they sell and they didn't fit. I contacted Sweet-Vapes and Tyler did respond but basically claimed it was a user error, even after I sent photos. It's only a .75 cent item so I'm not upset about it but I wasn't impressed after being brushed off. I even bought my Subtank Mini from them so I was curious if anyone else has ordered them and had success with the Subtank Mini replacement insulators. Tyler said I was the first person to say they didn't fit.
Speaking of Sweet-Vapes and the Subtank Mini. I recently ordered the spare Mini insulators they sell and they didn't fit. I contacted Sweet-Vapes and Tyler did respond but basically claimed it was a user error, even after I sent photos. It's only a .75 cent item so I'm not upset about it but I wasn't impressed after being brushed off. I even bought my Subtank Mini from them so I was curious if anyone else has ordered them and had success with the Subtank Mini replacement insulators. Tyler said I was the first person to say they didn't fit.
VaporDNA told me today that they have the dual-slotted minis in. I don't have one from them so I am only going off of their word -- and they assured me it was the mini and not the Plus.
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