Joyetech - Surprise

[millerman92]

Hello,

I was visiting joyetech website and found the following:

Here is a URL that lists Copycats and unauthorized sellers of joyetech products from joyetechs website.

http://www.joyetech.com/about/copycat.php

Can anyone verify this information?

Thanks,

BW

 

[devauto]

While I can't verify the info, I have no reason to doubt it. joyetech has to have records of all their "Authorized" resellers, and these are likely the ones they know about that are not on their list. There may be many more, but until JoyeTech finds out about them, they won't show up there.

 

[Thrasher]

that list is sketchy at best. joyetech has a fixed price for their products and any vendor caught selling below this list price will have their authorization pulled and be added to the list.

so while it is helpful for maybe finding counterfeits i would take it with a grain of salt as being unauthorized doesnt necessarily mean they are selling knockoffs either.

so far none of the copycats have the etched joyetech logo on the bottom of their batteries.

 

[WillyZee]

A lot of those companies were put on the list because they were selling JoyeTech products at a discount ... it really upset JoyeTech and JoyeTech paid them back by putting a lot of good vendors on that list.

 

[exnihilo]

A contact is a contact. Authorized dealers sign contracts. There is nothing wrong with the list.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

 

[mkbilbo]

Can anyone verify this information?

Um, well, yeah, Joyetech can. And kinda did eh?

It's actually a question of whether buying authentic, authorized products is important to you, personally, or not. Such as "knock offs" are generally cheaper. However, quality may be uneven so... I dunno.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I find it hilarious that JoyeTech lists the very company that designed and invented the eGo as making "copycats"
As stated some are on that list because they choose to sell less than JT's listed price.
It's the same process/ system with many other Vape gear manufacturers.
Another example is Innokin and fastTech. Innokin insinuating FT selling copycats. We all know the FT Innokin products are genuine but Innokin doesn't like the fact: "Fast Tech selling our products at much lower prices than MSRP."
http://www.innokin.com/news/company/2013/0606/395.html

 

[WillyZee]

I also find it strange ... the lack of Chinese vendors on the list

 

[blargman]

Who is the company that made Ego?

 

[SimianSteam]

Janty. I also think it's ballsy as hell that Joye lists Janty as a copycat.

 

[djsvapour]

How silly.

Cloud9 - Unauthorised
Vape Escape - Copycat.

Both "comments" are, of course, designed to dissaude people from buying from vendors that sell below Joyetech RRP.

Kind of disappointing that possibly the top 2 vendors in the UK (in their own way, for certain items) fall foul on this list.

Actually, I think Cloud9 explained all this well over a year ago.

 

[Racehorse]

Authorized dealers sign contracts. There is nothing wrong with the list.

Boy do I agree. Honoring your contracts is about being........honorable. It's about keeping your word.

Besides, Joyetech has a number of things they put into their ego batts that you are not going to get in the knockoffs. Anyone who has used both for a long time knows this.

I can't blame Joyetech for wanting to protect its name and product by not allowing it to become just another cheapie knockoff with pricing.

Plenty of good joyetech authorized vendors providing long service to the vaping community, selling genuine Joyetechs at the contract pricing, and doing very well in their businesses. They also happen to be vendors with some of the best customer service I've had.---not that there aren't others.

Joyetech also gives their authorized dealers a warranty so it does cost them more to do business, but that vendor is also not going to tell you you're SOL when and if you ever get a DOA or defective joyetech.

Somebody who is discounting them may not have enough profit margin left to take your return.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Janty. I also think it's ballsy as hell that Joye lists Janty as a copycat.

What's even more ballsy is JoyeTech has never designed an original PV or APV. They've all been designed/ invented by Janty or Ovale and rebranded by JT
Why do you think JoyeTech doesn't take these cases of "infringement/ copycat/ unauthorized" through the courts

 

[Steamix]

What goes around comes around. Many Chinese factories never had a problem with copying/cloning whatever they could lay their hands on, pretty much ignoring such minor stumbling blocks like copyrights, patents, trademarks, and so on. Now they get to taste a drop of their own medicine and complain about it's bitter taste...

 

[mkbilbo]

Janty. I also think it's ballsy as hell that Joye lists Janty as a copycat.

Really? I wasn't aware Janty created eGo.

I get that China has a serious problem with "knock offs". You can't make anything somebody doesn't try to copy you and swipe business. But glass houses eh?

And it is their government that's so lax about patent and copyright enforcement. They have the laws, the laws just don't seem to mean much of anything. But that's something Joyetech should take up with Bejing maybe.

That is pretty nervy of them to list the inventors of "eGo" as "copycats". You almost have to admire the chutzpah...

 

[SimianSteam]

Really? I wasn't aware Janty created eGo.

I get that China has a serious problem with "knock offs". You can't make anything somebody doesn't try to copy you and swipe business. But glass houses eh?

And it is their government that's so lax about patent and copyright enforcement. They have the laws, the laws just don't seem to mean much of anything. But that's something Joyetech should take up with Bejing maybe.

That is pretty nervy of them to list the inventors of "eGo" as "copycats". You almost have to admire the chutzpah...

Yup, and Ovale came up with the eGo Twist.

I don't know if 'admire' is the right word. Yeah, it's... special, but it also kinda makes you want to kick them in the cojones.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Really? I wasn't aware Janty created eGo.

I get that China has a serious problem with "knock offs". You can't make anything somebody doesn't try to copy you and swipe business. But glass houses eh?

And it is their government that's so lax about patent and copyright enforcement. They have the laws, the laws just don't seem to mean much of anything. But that's something Joyetech should take up with Bejing maybe.

That is pretty nervy of them to list the inventors of "eGo" as "copycats". You almost have to admire the chutzpah...

JoyeTech hasn't invented any of the PVs they sell...they have a "unique" re branding agreement with the inventors of these PVs.
"China's famous for copying things and there's really not a lot we can do about it".

 

[mkbilbo]

JoyeTech hasn't invented any of the PVs they sell...they have a "unique" re branding agreement with the inventors of these PVs.

"China's famous for copying things and there's really not a lot we can do about it".

Ah. So they really should quietly take down their "list" and shut the hell up.

'Course, us in the West (as in the whole industrialized shabang) kinda brought this on ourselves. We're a tad too addicted to our cheap Chinese made products. Enforce patent and copyright laws strongly and we might have to pay another buck fifty for our flat screen tee vee machine and that'd give us a sad.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Ah. So they really should quietly take down their "list" and shut the hell up.

'Course, us in the West (as in the whole industrialized shabang) kinda brought this on ourselves. We're a tad too addicted to our cheap Chinese made products. Enforce patent and copyright laws strongly and we might have to pay another buck fifty for our flat screen tee vee machine and that'd give us a sad.

LOLLL. Did you know that China based based companies listed on the Naz, NYSE, Amex do not allow full audits of their companies cuz the Chinese government says it would a be a breach of "National Security". Google "China RTO" and you'll see the mess that has ensued- delistings, falsified earnings/ holdings, fraud...and the CEOs of these companies are living the good life in China without fear of prosecution.

Regarding the Ecig industry it's kinda sad when you see these early stage smaller companies pour their heart and soul into these products only to see their ideas "re branded" away.

 

[mkbilbo]

LOLLL. Did you know that China based based companies listed on the Naz, NYSE, Amex do not allow full audits of their companies cuz the Chinese government says it would a be a breach of "National Security". Google "China RTO" and you'll see the mess that has ensued- delistings, falsified earnings/ holdings, fraud...and the CEOs of these companies are living the good life in China without fear of prosecution.

Regarding the Ecig industry it's kinda sad when you see these early stage smaller companies pour their heart and soul into these products only to see their ideas "re branded" away.

National security? Riiiiight.

Best I shouldn't get wound up on this subject. I got whole rants on standby about big corporations not really wanting strict patent and copyright enforcement because pretty much all the real innovation comes from small companies and folk tinkering in their garages and if we paid too much attention, the mega-multinational, globe straddling behemoths might have to take slightly less profit.

China's playing the game as it is. They're just winning. Maybe we shoulda thought of that before we made the rules.

And it's not all bad. It's lifting literal millions out of abject poverty over there.

Like a lotta things in life, it's a mixed bag...