Juice Quality Control and Supporting Suppliers

[Al Bundy]

I've been saying this before I even started vaping that clearly quality control issues are rampant in the hardware and juice manufacturing.

The FDA is latching on to the quality control problems in the juice and using that to leverage their position for a potential ban. I'd much rather we start our own quality control measures to a degree as a community with our buying power.

Can we start a list of the known online Supporting Suppliers listed on the forum and for each of them to at least indicate who's manufacturing their juice?

As a community we have the power to reward the companies with better quality control on juices with our money.

 

[Elendil]

If I were a suppler, I'm not sure I'd be sharing my sources. And truthfully, even if I knew, I not sure what I would do with that information in terms of judging quality control......

 

[Al Bundy]

If I were a suppler, I'm not sure I'd be sharing my sources. And truthfully, even if I knew, I not sure what I would do with that information in terms of judging quality control......

That's fine, but we as a community can simply not purchase from that supplier. I'd gladly pay more for a company willing to step forward, I think many other people would as well.

 

[Elendil]

Can you point to any specificquality control issues you have encountered? I have purchased about 2 liters of juice from 10+ suplliers and have had no issues at all.

I'm not quite sure what your over point is

 

[Angela]

How does a supplier telling you where he gets his juice from help end-users decide about any quality control issues?

Am I missing something here?

Now, TW and Intellicig having reports prepared by independant labs and publishing results....... THAT is something I can use to help me make a decision!

 

[Al Bundy]

Can you point to any specificquality control issues you have encountered? I have purchased about 2 liters of juice from 10+ suplliers and have had no issues at all.

I'm not quite sure what your over point is

The point is coming up with ways to remove the FDA leveraging for a ban.

 

[Al Bundy]

How does a supplier telling you where he gets his juice from help end-users decide about any quality control issues?

Am I missing something here?

Now, TW and Intellicig having reports prepared by independant labs and publishing results....... THAT is something I can use to help me make a decision!

That's exactly what I'm talking about. If they don't want to divulge the manufacturer, how about a COMPLETE list of ingredients? I know TW lists them on the bottle, but that is far from being the norm as perhaps it should be.

 

[Angela]

Not suggesting for a second that anyone would, but they can say that it contains sugar and spice and all things nice on the bottle.... whereas it could actually contain slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails. A list, in itself and on it's own, isn't going to help one iota

 

[Al Bundy]

Not suggesting for a second that anyone would, but they can say that it contains sugar and spice and all things nice on the bottle.... whereas it could actually contain slugs and snails and puppy dogs tails. A list, in itself and on it's own, isn't going to help one iota

Well that's great, let's just not do anything right? Shame on me for asking that juice suppliers actually provide quality juice and that we as a community should reward responsible suppliers.

It's ok, I'm sure the FDA will take a position on our behalf.

Thanks for contributing.

 

[SantanzChild]

my JC bottle has the ingrediants listed.

 

[Elendil]

Thanks for contributing.

Yawn..................

Yet another thread only looking for 100% agreement with the opening statement. Never seen this before.......

 

[Bunni]

Oh this isn't such a terrible idea, one that needs tweaked perhaps, but this is all about the benefits of doing what we do.

How are we going to feel if one company's juice actually does contain something bad for us? I'm not accusing anyone, but this is becoming a big business, and where there is money there is greed, and greed begets a whole bunch of things.

So what is wrong with seeking some quality in the market?

 

[happily]

the major supplier's will still sell to individual's so listing the #1 supplier puts you out of business



We should just stick to thread about ****ty suppliers and the $150 a kit guys ought to be included because they are killing the first impression

I am tired of answering to people who say my friend tried one.

and yes I can rebutt this comment but it's still a bad first impression

 

[Al Bundy]

Yawn..................

Yet another thread only looking for 100% agreement with the opening statement. Never seen this before.......

I've seen this before when I first posted on the forum and got bashed for using "puff" as a unit of measurement for estimates. Of course the FDA used the exact same measurement in all their testing.

I'll let you in on a little secret though, I couldn't care less about "agreement". I was simply making a suggestion that could benefit the community of vapers. I can simply call any of my juice suppliers and ask for the information for my purposes without agreement from anyone on the forum. I have the power over where I spend my money, not any of you.

I just wanted to set you straight in that regard.

 

[Fud]

They don't have to list anything at all. I have heard number of 200 to 300 ingredients added to some but it's a secret for them.

You well know why that is, the tobacco companys have a huge lobby and can even lie to congress and laugh about it.

The FDA is not your friend looking out for you, they are all ex lobbyists and pharma execs.

This is like trusting a ...... dealer on the street saying it's ok good stuff as far as the FDA is concerned. They approve dangerous drugs constantly that really are harmfull, the reason they don't work for you or me they work for pharma and thats it folks.

 

[Al Bundy]

Oh this isn't such a terrible idea, one that needs tweaked perhaps, but this is all about the benefits of doing what we do.

How are we going to feel if one company's juice actually does contain something bad for us? I'm not accusing anyone, but this is becoming a big business, and where there is money there is greed, and greed begets a whole bunch of things.

So what is wrong with seeking some quality in the market?

That was my point Bunni. I was just suggesting that the community pull together and start asking some questions on these quality control problems.

I've listened to the entire FDA conference call in the news forum and the main issue the FDA is going to leverage is the impurities in the juice being manufactured. I believe it is a valid concern for everyone on this forum.

 

[Elendil]

Oh this isn't such a terrible idea, one that needs tweaked perhaps, but this is all about the benefits of doing what we do.

How are we going to feel if one company's juice actually does contain something bad for us? I'm not accusing anyone, but this is becoming a big business, and where there is money there is greed, and greed begets a whole bunch of things.

So what is wrong with seeking some quality in the market?

I guess the problem I have is the premise that the Chinese manufacturers don't have a vested interest in quality control. Would we have these same concerns if the juice was produced in Germany, or Belgium, or Denmark, or.............????

Don't forget: NICOTINE = POISON This is a fact. All evidence indicates that is doesn't cause cancer, but it is a poison. Because we are addicted to it, we make a conscious decision to ingest it in our bodies, we bear some responsibility for the risk we are taking. If you want no risk, then stop using it.

I just question the logic that the Chinese don't have concerns about quality control. I know that pillbox has toured the facilities in China on several occasions and is satisfied with the controls in place.

 

[Al Bundy]

I guess the problem I have is the premise that the Chinese manufacturers don't have a vested interest in quality control. Would we have these same concerns if the juice was produced in Germany, or Belgium, or Denmark, or.............????

Don't forget: NICOTINE = POISON This is a fact. All evidence indicates that is doesn't cause cancer, but it is a poison. Because we are addicted to it, we make a conscious decision to ingest it in our bodies, we bear some responsibility for the risk we are taking. If you want no risk, then stop using it.

I just question the logic that the Chinese don't have concerns about quality control. I know that pillbox has toured the facilities in China on several occasions and is satisfied with the controls in place.

Of course you need to cherry pick the nicotine for your argument which is trivial at best. Everyone else is more concerned about the other ingredients in the juice, not the nicotine.

 

[Sydesteppa]

I know the people at ruyan direct personally test all the juice before it gets sent out...

 

[Angela]

Well that's great, let's just not do anything right? Shame on me for asking that juice suppliers actually provide quality juice and that we as a community should reward responsible suppliers.

It's ok, I'm sure the FDA will take a position on our behalf.

Thanks for contributing.

Well I do apologise for disagreeing with you! . Your response reads like that of a petulant child.

If you re-read my comments calmly, you may just realise that I was saying that what you are proposing doesn't go anywhere near far enough for my liking. (First you suggest that retailers tell us their source - which I cannot see helping the cause in any way whatsoever...hence my query, then suggest that they publish a list of ingredients - which, IMHO, will prove nothing on it's own.)

As intimated previously, I purchase my liquid either from TW or Intellicig..... who do use child-proof containers, who do incorporate tactile warning labels, who do include a list of ingredients on the bottles, and who do carry out lab testing on their liquids and publish the results. IMHO, they are at least trying to do what they can to ensure quality of their products, that they try and provide authorities with what they may require, and appear to be open and honest with their communication with the users.

For the record - I couldn't care less where the liquid is produced: as you can see, my liquids of choice hail from both the UK and China and I would not jump on a liquid 'made in x' any more than I would one 'made in y' purely upon the country of origin alone.