juice so expensive in the uk...

[Scamz]

i have been looking at all the US websites and you guys are paying next to nothing compared to all in the UK. what is that about?

in the uk your paying about 8 pounds (nearly 13$) for 10ml. in the US sites i have seen its almost half... why?

My country needs to get its act together seriously!

 

[trog100]

and its half the price again in china...

The UK is an expensive place to live.. mind you if the FDA ban the stuff US prices might go up somewhat..

trog

 

[surbitonPete]

Hasn't anyone told you this is greedy rip off Britain?......lol...You have to pay a plumber £80 to come and mend a dripping tap if you can't do it yourself. Everyone has to charge rip off prices because they also have to pay all the rip off charges that are being made to them.

 

[Scamz]

yeah true lol but still though! i was completely happy paying 20 quid for 20ml (as its better than 6 quid a day for cigs) but when i see that there are people paying like 10, i feel a bit ripped off!

 

[Adik Ted]

yeah true lol but still though! i was completely happy paying 20 quid for 20ml (as its better than 6 quid a day for cigs) but when i see that there are people paying like 10, i feel a bit ripped off!

I don't know where you get £20 for 20 ml from. Intellicig's ecopure is £12 for 20 ml and Totally Wicked juice is under £18 for 30 ml.

ECOpure E-Liquid : Electronic Cigarettes, Electric Cigarette, E-Cigarettes, E-Cig, E-Liquid

Electronic Cigarette-E Liquid-Totally Wicked E-Juice / Totally Wicked e-Liquids / Electronic Cigarette e-liquid shop

 

[scott58]

i have been looking at all the US websites and you guys are paying next to nothing compared to all in the UK. what is that about?

in the uk your paying about 8 pounds (nearly 13$) for 10ml. in the US sites i have seen its almost half... why?

My country needs to get its act together seriously!

You really don't think your health care is actually free do you? You just pay for it differently then we do.

 

[doots]

why dont you order from China? Can this be done in UK?

 

[ckc]

Oh HealthCabin is happy to ship to the UK(when she's not on holiday)

 

[aseeryl]

It's simple to order from China eg. http://heaven-gifts.com. takes 10-14 days. Don't make it too big in case of Customs hassles - they might claim tax if the order is too big. There are other suppliers but I've had no trouble with this one.
The UK is cursed with the ...-end of a thieving socialist government whose tax take is effectively 60-70% through the chain.

 

[moog]

Also its handy and easy communication.....

 

[Heed]

When you can get a small bulk order that works out to £4 per 30ml, as has been done on the forum here a few times, then I have to think that £15-£20 for 30ml retail is lining someone's pockets very nicely indeed. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people making a profit -- even a good one. I've been in retail in the past. But a 400% markup (or more actually as a full fledged retail outlet should be able to do better than the £4 per 30ml that can be had doing a small order) is looking pretty harsh to me.

I also have to think that pricing on e-smoking supplies has much more to do with the cost of smoking cigarettes in the respective markets and much less to do with actual costs. Since the, "it's still cheaper than cigarettes" argument can be rolled out in defence of the price structure.

As well as it being a matter of what consumers will bear -- those in the U.K. are accustomed to being burned, so they get burned but don't notice it so much.

 

[aseeryl]

Dear Heed
I quite agree that some industries see the UK as "treasure island" and make profits accordingly. But it's not as bad as it used to be what with the internet, open competition and the development of low charge suppliers from abroad.
Don't forget the fascist dictatorial monster that is the EU. At least, unlike the US, Australia etc there has not been any talk of banning these things.

BTW I have ordered stuff from LF arrives super quick and does what it says on the tin.

 

[Jefflan]

I have, and still do use Liberty Flights.Highly recommended. There are cheaper options for UK liquid.Ecis direct are about £8 odd for 20ml here ECIS Electronic Cigarette and there are others if you search around. Like this mistEliquid - the finest vape for the finest price

 

[Scamz]

how much would shipping be from china and whats the best in terms of quality.

 

[hifistud]

Well, let's see - that price for 30ml looks very close to trade, Heed. Add in shipping (at least $45 via TNT express - remember this is a business buying), Duty and VAT and it may come into the UK business at, say, £5.50 a 30ml bottle. Then, it may have to have CHIP caps put on (the chinese tend not to), be relabelled to conform to UK Trading Standards directives (again, what comes out of China doesn't), and that takes time, and time costs. You may find the business paying, then, around £6 a bottle, so a retail price of £12 odd isn't profiteering, and £15 is not outrageous.

You also have to factor in the cost of actually paying the bill across to China - I can tell you now that Barclays wants £45 to make a payment to a Chinese bank. I can't see that any of the more recognised outlets in the UK is making a killing on e-liquid.

And I can pretty much guarantee that the UK made juices will be far more costly to manufacture than buying in from China - again EH, TS and lord knows what other agencies get involved and apply costly standards to the premises etc...

In short, I don't think UK sellers are ripping their customers off - HMG might be, but I don't think it's down to the retailers.

 

[Caesarea]

Just a pity LibertyFlights restrict their Zero Nic to 5ml sizes. Ecomix Zero Nic (unflavoured) is only £1 per 20 ml!

C.

 

[Heed]

Well, let's see - that price for 30ml looks very close to trade, Heed. Add in shipping (at least $45 via TNT express - remember this is a business buying), Duty and VAT and it may come into the UK business at, say, £5.50 a 30ml bottle. Then, it may have to have CHIP caps put on (the chinese tend not to), be relabelled to conform to UK Trading Standards directives (again, what comes out of China doesn't), and that takes time, and time costs. You may find the business paying, then, around £6 a bottle, so a retail price of £12 odd isn't profiteering, and £15 is not outrageous.

You also have to factor in the cost of actually paying the bill across to China - I can tell you now that Barclays wants £45 to make a payment to a Chinese bank. I can't see that any of the more recognised outlets in the UK is making a killing on e-liquid.

And I can pretty much guarantee that the UK made juices will be far more costly to manufacture than buying in from China - again EH, TS and lord knows what other agencies get involved and apply costly standards to the premises etc...

In short, I don't think UK sellers are ripping their customers off - HMG might be, but I don't think it's down to the retailers.

The £4 per 30ml was landed -- all those costs were included except for packaging and extra duties. I think the extra duties, if hit by them, would have upped the cost another £10-£20 per half litre. So, 30p-60p per 30ml.

Don't forget this is the pricing on a small order -- a large retailer ought to do much better.

I think pricing has more to do with pushing the limits of the consumer's willingness to pay in relation to what they have been paying for tobacco; rather than a reflection of the costs of doing business.

*shrug*

 

[Jackie P]

Can't say that I feel ripped off on prices (though I agree on the comment about 0 nic stuff, that should be cheaper everywhere). On the whole I think juice prices are quite reasonable. There are obviously some rip off prices out there but the cheaper outlets (such as Liberty Flights) are definitely not rip offs to me.

As has been mentioned, running a business in the UK is also quite expensive. Small businesses have a hard time these days.

 

[snitter]

Just order from China. That's what I do. Took about 9 days in total from order to home at Heaven gifts (sorry, can't post a link yet - i'm too new!)

Really nice juice too. I got the flue cured & Hilton, & it is excellent. Postage was $6 for quite a bit of stuff (2x30ml juice, attys etc.)

UK juice seems to be coming down in price over the last few months. TW always seem to have a sale on nowadays!

Maybe we will get lower prices the more popular vaping becomes.

M.

 

[hifistud]

The £4 per 30ml was landed -- all those costs were included except for packaging and extra duties. I think the extra duties, if hit by them, would have upped the cost another £10-£20 per half litre. So, 30p-60p per 30ml.

Don't forget this is the pricing on a small order -- a large retailer ought to do much better.

As far as I can see, there are no large retailers in the UK - they're all small businesses employing very few people, and with turnovers that are far from seven figures annually. Remember, this market is vanishingly small - we're right at the very start of it, and it has a long way to go before it achieves critical mass - the kind of market that allows for heavy competition without driving businesses to the wall. I would imagine most suppliers that are ordering their e-juice in will be working on as close to a "just in time" basis as they can, and keeping order values as low as they can to maximise cashflow and minimise risk.

I think pricing has more to do with pushing the limits of the consumer's willingness to pay in relation to what they have been paying for tobacco; rather than a reflection of the costs of doing business.

*shrug*

I've had a look round all the UK vendor sites, and with certain notable exceptions (well, one) I think I can say with some certainty that that's not the case. Knowing the FOB price of e-juice in China, I can tell you that they're all applying the bare minimum of markup that will keep them in business - any less and they'd be silly. As I say they're all very small businesses in relative terms, all will have overheads that are high in relation to turnover, and they're all feeling their way in a market that has yet to grow large enough to be called fledgling.

Estimates vary, but I think I'd be safe in saying that well under 250,000 PVs have been sold in the UK, and a lot of those will be repeat buys by people who have already got one - it's a tiny market at the moment - you can't "pile it high and sell it cheap" - there just aren't enough customers yet.