Junk Science Sucks!

[mekks]

Well for the first time in my vaping venture I finally have come across someone that bought into the junk science out there. Unfortunately just happens to be someone that has a say on whether I can vape at work or not.


So as of today I am to be treated like a smoker sent out to vape with the smokers and inhale all those nice second hand stinky fumes. As the junk science got them convinced that the e-cig is just as bad. So the company stance now is "It's not approved by Health Canada". After allowing this for nearly a year.

You start to realize just how broken our system is when truth and real facts no longer seem to matter. The irony is the junk is coming from our so called health advocates... what a joke!

 

[RollandOfGilead]

Well for the first time in my vaping venture I finally have come across someone that bought into the junk science out there. Unfortunately just happens to be someone that has a say on whether I can vape at work or not.


So as of today I am to be treated like a smoker sent out to vape with the smokers and inhale all those nice second hand stinky fumes. As the junk science got them convinced that the e-cig is just as bad. So the company stance now is "It's not approved by Health Canada". After allowing this for nearly a year.

You start to realize just how broken our system is when truth and real facts no longer seem to matter. The irony is the junk is coming from our so called health advocates... what a joke!

Nic free ones are being sold at drugstores as smoking alternatives as well. Health canada is really only against the "nic"

 

[mekks]

Nic free ones are being sold at drugstores as smoking alternatives as well. Health canada is really only against the "nic"

Yeah I pointed that out, the reply was the concern over what others were being exposed to. Why I reference the junk science, it makes me sick all the misinformation that is put out to win people over with half truths and lies. In this day and age people shouldn't have to dig through the junk to find the truth.

 

[Projectguy]

Well for the first time in my vaping venture I finally have come across someone that bought into the junk science out there. Unfortunately just happens to be someone that has a say on whether I can vape at work or not.

So as of today I am to be treated like a smoker sent out to vape with the smokers and inhale all those nice second hand stinky fumes. As the junk science got them convinced that the e-cig is just as bad. So the company stance now is "It's not approved by Health Canada". After allowing this for nearly a year.

If I might offer a suggestion and a challenge. Use the outside sometime as an effort to convert other smokers to the righteous road of vaping.

In the end if you are successful your company may be compelled to get some science tutoring and change their view.

 

[tygertyger]

I read that propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin AND nicotine are all present in tomatoes. I'd be tempted to ask if the office is banning tomato products including ketchup as well..... *rolls eyes*..... sorry you're dealing with this.

But Projectguy had a more constructive viewpoint on this.... maybe you'll gain some allies outside and come back to fight (and win!) another day....

 

[dredd0606]

Sucks that they're sticking you with the stinkys, mekks. But I really like projectguys idea. I think I will start going on vape breaks at work with the stinkies to try to convert them! The more people vape, the stronger our community is, and maybe one day we'll actually be able to make a damn difference to the political atmosphere here in Canada.

 

[mekks]

If I might offer a suggestion and a challenge. Use the outside sometime as an effort to convert other smokers to the righteous road of vaping.

In the end if you are successful your company may be compelled to get some science tutoring and change their view.

Oh I most definitely will be doing this when people ask about my strange looking device..lol.

I just tend to get frustrated at the lack of logic, lack of looking at the actual science on it and not making a decision based on real facts, and its the first time I've actually come across it with people I know. Mind you a couple people I work with that aren't smokers got a real kodak moment ... look on their face when I told them I'd be back to smoke breaks with my e-cig, they thought I was kidding at first or pulling a fast one.

Another actually thought the gum would be a viable option, I probably got a ... look on my face on that one. Me thinks yeah nic fit hits chew it way to much end up with a mouth feeling like a dragon and an upset stomach to boot. Been there, done that and no ty..lol.

 

[Projectguy]

Oh I most definitely will be doing this when people ask about my strange looking device..lol.

I just tend to get frustrated at the lack of logic, lack of looking at the actual science on it and not making a decision based on real facts, and its the first time I've actually come across it with people I know. Mind you a couple people I work with that aren't smokers got a real kodak moment ... look on their face when I told them I'd be back to smoke breaks with my e-cig, they thought I was kidding at first or pulling a fast one.

Another actually thought the gum would be a viable option, I probably got a ... look on my face on that one. Me thinks yeah nic fit hits chew it way to much end up with a mouth feeling like a dragon and an upset stomach to boot. Been there, done that and no ty..lol.

I'm with you all the way on that one. We all have to become advocates not just for ourselves but for others.

 

[DemonCleaner]

This is why bathrooms, and dark corners were invented. Damn the man!

 

[Mindfield]

It's probably too little too late, but you could always point them to:

Indoor Vapor Air Quality Study: IVAQS Project

ClearStream Study: ClearStream by FlavourArt | ClearStream by FlavourArt

And then there's this video I did on E-cig misconceptions for Vast Vapor in which I talk briefly about both of those studies:

 

[idle]

Just curious here, and not tying to poo poo anyone, but how much of this fight do you guys feel should be about being able to vape indoors or at work, cafe's, bars etc and how much of the fight is about being able to legally and legitimately buy and use e-cigs in Canada?

Though I agree there is far too much junk science and fear tactics going around, and I agree that our own Health officials are misleading Canadians, and I agree one of our goals needs to be to educate the general public and to alleviate some of those fears and misconceptions, I also have no issue with others being concerned or simply not wanting to be subjected to my vaping. I have no issues with being asked to vape outside with the rest of the smokers (although I find my own smoke free areas to do it) and I have no issue with a bar or other business asking me not to vape, even if it is just because of the optics of it. As long as there is no ban on vaping there will always be those businesses that do allow it and I will simply gravitate towards those places.

I guess I am just asking where you guys think the balance is between wanting vaping to be recognized as a legitimate hobby and wanting to force ourselves into mainstream acceptance.

 

[idle]

And as suggested above, I can always tuck away for a few drags unnoticed with the right e-liquid and inhaling techniques.

 

[Mindfield]

Just curious here, and not tying to poo poo anyone, but how much of this fight do you guys feel should be about being able to vape indoors or at work, cafe's, bars etc and how much of the fight is about being able to legally and legitimately buy and use e-cigs in Canada?

Though I agree there is far too much junk science and fear tactics going around, and I agree that our own Health officials are misleading Canadians, and I agree one of our goals needs to be to educate the general public and to alleviate some of those fears and misconceptions, I also have no issue with others being concerned or simply not wanting to be subjected to my vaping. I have no issues with being asked to vape outside with the rest of the smokers (although I find my own smoke free areas to do it) and I have no issue with a bar or other business asking me not to vape, even if it is just because of the optics of it. As long as there is no ban on vaping there will always be those businesses that do allow it and I will simply gravitate towards those places.

I guess I am just asking where you guys think the balance is between wanting vaping to be recognized as a legitimate hobby and wanting to force ourselves into mainstream acceptance.

I don't really think that the fight to permit vaping indoors in any private establishment is relevant to be honest. That's a matter strictly for the owners and managers of said establishments to decide. The fight here is one of legitimacy and education, in part so that those private establishment owners can make their own informed decisions on why they should or should not permit vaping in their businesses. In larger part, it is not just about fighting for legitimacy, but also trying to fight back the tide of junk science and straight up disinformation that is being spread by the antis so that it doesn't drown out the actual science and truthful information.

I'm okay with others not being okay with my vaping so long as the reasoning is based on factual information and not junk science or outright lies perpetrated by the antis.

 

[DemonCleaner]

him used a big word in the video. reciti-something.

 

[Esharp]

Hey mekks - Sorry to hear about your problem at work. I don't know if there is much you can do but try to educate, as others have stated. I vape at work all the time, but never in front of the bosses. If a co-worker doesn't want me to do it around them, I don't. Most of my co-workers support what I'm doing and are delighted that I'm off cigs. The health and safety people are behind me. I have to answer allot of questions when asked by co-workers, that's the educating part. I also have a few anti-smokers that I work with, and I never vape around them. You have to remember that a certain group of people will think that your just skirting the smoking bylaws, and no matter what you tell them, they won't believe you. Unless your boss tells you can do it, you have to assume you can't. IMHO. And that's why I do it on the sly. Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Good luck to you pal!

 

[DuaneNeveu]

If I might offer a suggestion and a challenge. Use the outside sometime as an effort to convert other smokers to the righteous road of vaping.


In the end if you are successful your company may be compelled to get some science tutoring and change their view.

I read that propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin AND nicotine are all present in tomatoes. I'd be tempted to ask if the office is banning tomato products including ketchup as well..... *rolls eyes*..... sorry you're dealing with this.

But Projectguy had a more constructive viewpoint on this.... maybe you'll gain some allies outside and come back to fight (and win!) another day....

I don't know, I think I might do BOTH in your shoes!

 

[mekks]

Thanks for all the feedback

To update this went through our head office, and unfortunately the junk science is easier to find so their position is that it isn't approved by Health Canada. For the better part of a year everyone I worked with including my bosses were really supportive and encouraged it at work. So not all to sure what changed.

But until our health officials actually start living up to their job descriptions and getting the correct information out, instead of fear mongering because it looks like smoke I don't think I can change much at my job anyway.

As for the comment in regards to it being a right to vape where we want, that is not so much the issue. Mindfield did an awesome job of wording it. The problem is decisions based on disinformation and fear mongering techniques. Everyone who vapes or has taken the time to learn the real facts on it knows that although similar to smoking it is no where near the same. The sad truth in this environment you have to really dig to find the real truth, although from the media section on the forum it does seem more glimmers of hope are slowly appearing.

Side note;
From my new outdoor e-cig breaks -one smoker interested and may check out these forums, another said it sounded to scientific..lol.

 

[Projectguy]

I vape indoors at my desk, with my clients with the full knowledge of my employer. The key is no need for smoke breaks (not that that matters) I'm in better health (more work) and his company is at the cutting edge of social change. I sell money to people who don't need it.

 

[mekks]

I vape indoors at my desk, with my clients with the full knowledge of my employer. The key is no need for smoke breaks (not that that matters) I'm in better health (more work) and his company is at the cutting edge of social change. I sell money to people who don't need it.

I hear you on this, I've had less sick days because I no longer catch every single virus going around. For a while increased productivity with not having to take breaks to enjoy my e-cig. Just waiting now for that day someone complains that I have to take e-cig breaks, unfortunately you always know someone will.