FDA Just a thought on the possible FDA fiasco

[Zildjian]

Please excuse my possible ignorance. From what I have gleaned about what the FDA is trying to do with the making of everyone selling ejuice to get it tested etc...

Would it be far fetched in thinking a possible way around this would be for juice sellers to mix their creations without nicotine and sell it that way. That way they can't call it ejuice. We would still get their flavors but add the nicotine ourselves in our own homes when we get it in the mail.

 

[smacuser]

It's possible.


It sounds kind of close to DIY.

 

[wv2win]

Please excuse my possible ignorance. From what I have gleaned about what the FDA is trying to do with the making of everyone selling ejuice to get it tested etc...

Would it be far fetched in thinking a possible way around this would be for juice sellers to mix their creations without nicotine and sell it that way. That way they can't call it ejuice. We would still get their flavors but add the nicotine ourselves in our own homes when we get it in the mail.

The question is, do you think the FDA would craft these regulations over a 4 year time frame, after they tried to completely ban vaping in 2009-2010, and leave a huge loop-hole like that in the regulations? Extremely unlikely. Since nicotine is considered a significant part of a "tobacco product", they will choke that off from our ability to easily obtain it. Power and control hungry bureaucrats are not ignorant.

 

[Jman8]

Would it be far fetched in thinking a possible way around this would be for juice sellers to mix their creations without nicotine and sell it that way. That way they can't call it ejuice. We would still get their flavors but add the nicotine ourselves in our own homes when we get it in the mail.

If following the essence of the regulations (as they are currently proposed), the seller could not market the 'creation' as intended for use as a tobacco product (or to be mixed with nicotine). Couldn't really hint at that. And thus would have to rely solely on 'word of mouth' if looking to produce a popular eJuice, while also not too popular to attract investigator attention. So, if seller is marketing the creation as "aromas to brighten up any room" and then tossing in a fine print disclaimer of, "this product is not intended for direct inhalation nor has it been approved by the FDA for that purpose," they likely could bypass regulations. Though even that, like original regulations, will depend on who in power is willing to enforce/ignore such a thing.

 

[Zildjian]

The question is, do you think the FDA would craft these regulations over a 4 year time frame, after they tried to completely ban vaping in 2009-2010, and leave a huge loop-hole like that in the regulations? Extremely unlikely. Since nicotine is considered a significant part of a "tobacco product", they will choke that off from our ability to easily obtain it.

Well as seeing as Nicotine can be obtained in most drug stores and has been in these stores for years prior to the vaping craze. (Still don't know why they sell Nicotine in stores like that.) but there has to be other uses for it other than ecigs. So can't see why they would take nic out of the stores if there are other uses for it other then ejuice.

I don't know it was just a thought on how to possible skirt the possible new laws.

 

[Zildjian]

It's possible.


It sounds kind of close to DIY.

Yes kind of except we just add the nic, and get those great recipes that we love from our favorite vendor and they can stay in business.

 

[smacuser]

Yes kind of except we just add the nic, and get those great recipes that we love from our favorite vendor and they can stay in business.

You're talking about super concentrated nic. 100+ mg?

 

[Zildjian]

You're talking about super concentrated nic. 100+ mg?

I'm not talking about anything in particular as far as Nic goes, just Nic in general. I have not gone down the DIY road yet, so I do not know what you mean by super concentrated nic. I was just a thought that occured to me last night as a way around any possible ban the FDA may put on vendors. Take Nicoticket or Heathers for example (as this is the main places I get my juice from). They could send me my Legend minus the nic, and I could add the nic when it arrived to my house. Thus they are not selling ejuic as it contains no nic.

 

[smacuser]

The nic you add, then, should not alter or dilute the flavor of what was sent to you. Right?

 

[patkin]

Don't know how good a business plan that would be, frankly, if there are no devices or their components available to put it in.

 

[smacuser]

Quite possibly flashlights, batteries and wire will still be available.

 

[desertrider]

I dont mind the FDA regulating my food. I wouldnt want our food supply to be unregulated like China. I certainly have no objectionj to them regulating e-juice through the use of standards. God only knows where and how some of these juices are made.

 

[Zildjian]

I dont mind the FDA regulating my food. I wouldnt want our food supply to be unregulated like China. I certainly have no objectionj to them regulating e-juice through the use of standards. God only knows where and how some of these juices are made.

Well that is up to the consumer to know who they are buying from. (yea you have to take their word for it) but I do not want to see the small ma and pa shops closed down as they are usually the ones that make the best juice. I certainly do not want to see it go to the Big Tobacco companies.

 

[Zildjian]

Don't know how good a business plan that would be, frankly, if there are no devices or their components available to put it in.

I do not see how they can do that. I see them going after the juice itself not the devices.

 

[smacuser]

In reality, if you were sent 0 nic juice, the nic you would then add would greatly dilute the flavor of what you ordered unless it was an incredibly high concentrate; <100 mg, too toxic for most casual users to handle.

Juice vendors could sell quadruple strength, or higher, flavor 0 nic concentrate. Then, we're back to the old DIY scenario.

 

[T0rtitude]

They'll be able to sell liquids without nic. The FDA can't really do anything about it. Without nicotine it in no way resembles anything having to do with tobacco products and is just a bunch of food ingredients. The issue is whether or not people will have access to nicotine at all.

 

[daviedog]

I buy 100 mg nicotine. It is already FDA inspected. Lot numbers, creation dates, etc.
Can't fathom what this is about. Cigarettes are regulated by age restrictions, but not illegal .
As Pelosi once said, "we will have to pass the bill , to see what's inside the bill."..

 

[crxess]

I dont mind the FDA regulating my food. I wouldnt want our food supply to be unregulated like China. I certainly have no objectionj to them regulating e-juice through the use of standards. God only knows where and how some of these juices are made.

And yet people still suffer severe food poisoning every year. Food is pulled from grocery shelves.............only after reports of illness.

And the Director of the the FDA sleeps cozy and content knowing he has taken care of us........ As he Sees fit.

No god is not the only one. I know exactly where all my juices are made as well as exactly what is in them.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I do not see how they can do that. I see them going after the juice itself not the devices.

They will go after "finished" devices containing nicotine like Blu, Njoy, etc. This is only the FDA's first step. Zeller said as much. Once e-cigs are officially deemed as a tobacco product it will snowball from there.

The foolproof way to thumb your nose at all this FDA nonsense will be when somebody finds an economical way to extract/synthesize nicotine that doesn't come from a Tobacco plant. When that happens it will be downright hilarious.

 

[chesty]

in au, where selling nicotine juice is illegal, we have what's called doublers. You get a bottle, say 30ml, and it has 15ml of liquid flavours in it, with no nic, and you add plain unflavoured PG/VG/nic to your desired nic strength and VG ratio.