Just got some Aroma e-liquid

[DVap]

Point number 2 is how WC states they make their retail WTA liquids. This is how I wish all WTA was sold, considering nicotine on its own is not what we're paying extra for; what we are paying extra for is the minor alkaloids aspect of WTA (not to mention the time/resources involved in extracting WTA).

The takeaway point here is that, yes, WholeCig uses only WTA for all their products. Aroma uses a mixture of nicotine and WTA for their flavored products, which is a pretty extensive product line. These flavored Aroma products are still quite effective as you appear to have noted, and it helps to keep the price down for these flavored products.

Again, when one purchases the Aroma 24 mg unflavored WTA (which is Aroma's "flagship" product), there is absolutely no nicotine added. Every bit of the 24 mg/mL is extracted and purified from tobacco.

I would also add that a recent set of process improvements (within the past month or so) has resulted in Aroma's 24 mg unflavored WTA having essentially identical light color, lack of off-traits, throat-taste, and effectiveness at satisfying the urge to light up as the WTA that I make in small non-commercial batches. This represents the realization of a goal that Aroma and I set back in July of last year. Aroma's former WTA was good, but it wasn't as good as mine, and "not as good as mine" wasn't good enough for Jerry or me.

"New and improved" is more than often just so much marketing BS, but this isn't the case here. If I were to vape Aroma's current generation of WTA (referred to as "VS" WTA, meaning "very special" WTA) and my custom WTA in a blind side-by-side test, I would have a hell of a time discerning the difference between the two.

Tossing around marketing superlatives really isn't my thing (I'm a chemist, not a slick marketing guy with a different tie for every day of the week), and until recently, I wouldn't say the things about Aroma's 24 mg unflavored WTA that I'm saying about it now. Sure, I'm pulling for Aroma's success, but my praise, at whatever level I give it, isn't given away, it's got to be earned. I'm not about to say something that I don't believe is true because I prefer not to have to keep track of lies or half-truths. Life's much easier when you don't have to worry about keeping your stories straight.

Aroma's earned it.

 

[alisa1970]

The takeaway point here is that, yes, WholeCig uses only WTA for all their products. Aroma uses a mixture of nicotine and WTA for their flavored products, which is a pretty extensive product line. These flavored Aroma products are still quite effective as you appear to have noted, and it helps to keep the price down for these flavored products.

Again, when one purchases the Aroma 24 mg unflavored WTA (which is Aroma's "flagship" product), there is absolutely no nicotine added. Every bit of the 24 mg/mL is extracted and purified from tobacco.

I would also add that a recent set of process improvements (within the past month or so) has resulted in Aroma's 24 mg unflavored WTA having essentially identical light color, lack of off-traits, throat-taste, and effectiveness at satisfying the urge to light up as the WTA that I make in small non-commercial batches. This represents the realization of a goal that Aroma and I set back in July of last year. Aroma's former WTA was good, but it wasn't as good as mine, and "not as good as mine" wasn't good enough for Jerry or me.

"New and improved" is more than often just so much marketing BS, but this isn't the case here. If I were to vape Aroma's current generation of WTA (referred to as "VS" WTA, meaning "very special" WTA) and my custom WTA in a blind side-by-side test, I would have a hell of a time discerning the difference between the two.

Tossing around marketing superlatives really isn't my thing (I'm a chemist, not a slick marketing guy with a different tie for every day of the week), and until recently, I wouldn't say the things about Aroma's 24 mg unflavored WTA that I'm saying about it now. Sure, I'm pulling for Aroma's success, but my praise, at whatever level I give it, isn't given away, it's got to be earned. I'm not about to say something that I don't believe is true because I prefer not to have to keep track of lies or half-truths. Life's much easier when you don't have to worry about keeping your stories straight.

Aroma's earned it.

Thanks much for the clarification...I've been completely impressed at how much you (and Jerry and Jeff) have contributed to this minor miracle (pardon the pun!). Many vapers really do owe you a debt of gratitude for this. I might have to try some of the new stuff even if I don't really need it to see how much different the "Dvap approved" (enhanced?) version is.

 

[DVap]

Thanks much for the clarification...I've been completely impressed at how much you (and Jerry and Jeff) have contributed to this minor miracle (pardon the pun!). Many vapers really do owe you a debt of gratitude for this. I might have to try some of the new stuff even if I don't really need it to see how much different the "Dvap approved" (enhanced?) version is.

I was gratified by something Mr.Mann said to me a little while back after I sent him some of the unflavored 24 mg WTA I produced in a small batch. To paraphrase, he told me, "I've tried many hundreds of eliquids and I've got a few favorites among them, but your unflavored WTA is simply the best eliquid I've ever had".

He's about to get his hands on Aroma's latest 24 mg unflavored WTA, and I will wait with high anticipation to learn what he thinks of Aroma's latest versus the WTA I sent him, which he apparently considers the holy grail of eliquid.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I want to add: sometimes a post is only true at the time of posting.

alisa1970, in your post #16 where you referenced me referencing DVap (LOL), at that time what I said was true about what WC sold and what AeJ sold. There wasn't any available Unflavored/DIY WTA but from WC. AeJ was regularly selling "infused WTA," but now they pretty consistently have 24 mg, no nic added, Unflavored/DIY WTA for sale too (it's there now). The Unflavored/DIY WTA on AeJ's site has been there for as long as I can remember (at least a couple years), but it was very rarely sold.

Not only is AeJ now increasing its availability of Unflavored/DIY WTA, they are also constantly working to make it better than their previous batch. *AeJ is basically only competing with itself in terms of the quality, but the quantity it's available in is the next threshold. If you like WC's though, they have large quantities available and at a higher percentage to allow for much more DIY.

*Me saying AeJ is only competing with itself for quality is not a swipe at WC, it's a compliment to the efforts of DVap implemented at AeJ.

 

[Johnnie Price]

So, first trial run went with mixed results. I still bought a pack on my way to work and still smoked throughout the night. However, I noticed little difference between my cigarettes and my WTA liquid aside from taste. So I think if I just let myself run out of cigarettes, I may just be okay. I'll be attempting that on tonight's shift.

I think I will be buying some Aroma unflavored when I can afford it. I'm still not enjoying the Newbie flavor, though it is better than a Camel Crush.

 

[Mr.Mann]

So, first trial run went with mixed results. I still bought a pack on my way to work and still smoked throughout the night. However, I noticed little difference between my cigarettes and my WTA liquid aside from taste. So I think if I just let myself run out of cigarettes, I may just be okay. I'll be attempting that on tonight's shift.

I think I will be buying some Aroma unflavored when I can afford it. I'm still not enjoying the Newbie flavor, though it is better than a Camel Crush.

When dealing with the AeJ's Unflavored, you don't have to worry about the risk of not liking the flavor--it's all upside.

 

[alisa1970]

I didn't know about the recent changes...there was always a "box" for the unflavored, but it was not available anytime I looked at it. I may at some point revisit to see the difference in the "new" product.

Hang in there Johnny!

 

[DVap]

I didn't know about the recent changes...there was always a "box" for the unflavored, but it was not available anytime I looked at it. I may at some point revisit to see the difference in the "new" product.

Hang in there Johnny!

I've been heavily promoting the latest generation of Aroma's unflavored WTA (basically, the WTA produced since the beginning of this year). It is absolutely as good as the WTA I make myself and has every desirable characteristic of WTA without any of the common flaws.

Availability of Aroma's unflavored 24 mg WTA started to pick up last July, and (as the folks who frequent the Aroma forum can tell you) it is now available more often than it is not. "Sold out" conditions tend to last no more than a couple days and I am pushing Aroma to improve availability even further toward 24/7.

My review of Aroma's latest work with WTA can be found here.

 

[Johnnie Price]

So I still smoked all weekend at work. However, halfway through my shift on Monday night I ran out and finished the night with just my Aroma mixture. So maybe there is real hope here.

I'm still not digging the flavor of this Newbie though, even if I'm chain vaping it. I used to smoke 3 packs a day, so I tend to go through some liquid. I really need to grab some unflavored at the next opportunity. I've even taken to mixing my Newbie/Arctic Wolf half and half with even more Arctic Wolf. I know taste is subjective, but this stuff gives me that ashy, dirty cigarette taste that I hated even when I smoked full time.

 

[Mr.Mann]

So I still smoked all weekend at work. However, halfway through my shift on Monday night I ran out and finished the night with just my Aroma mixture. So maybe there is real hope here.

I'm still not digging the flavor of this Newbie though, even if I'm chain vaping it. I used to smoke 3 packs a day, so I tend to go through some liquid. I really need to grab some unflavored at the next opportunity. I've even taken to mixing my Newbie/Arctic Wolf half and half with even more Arctic Wolf. I know taste is subjective, but this stuff gives me that ashy, dirty cigarette taste that I hated even when I smoked full time.

The "ash taste" in some tobacco eliquids often comes from tobacco absolute, which is a tobacco extract. I don't know about that particular liquid, but it sounds like there may be TA in it (or TA may be in one of the base ingredients). I actually like TA in some liquids, but whether or not that liquid has it, it may behoove you to ask vendors if they use it directly or in base ingredients so you can stay away from it.

You may want to try their Sahara liquid. That liquid is really quite good. I wrote some thoughts on it last October: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sh-tobaccos-big-tent-desert.html#post10650822

Now I specifically didn't mention WTA in that review, though the reviewed liquid was a WTA liquid. That liquid, for me, is more about the flavor and the flavor enhancement of the WTA, more than it is the overall effect of WTA. Helluva TH as well! But for the overall effect of WTA, your one stop should be the unflavored.

 

[~Sue~Feb2012]

The Newbie WTA actually. It tastes and smells a lot like the Hangsen Menthol I tried a while back. Feels like it too.

I'm not really a fan of the taste, but it does seem to curb my cravings for real cigarettes better than normal liquid. I mixed it with some Arctic Wolf from Vapor God and it's now tolerable. Mixed, it tastes a lot like a real menthol cigarette. It even leaves an ashy, oily feeling in my mouth.

How does Whole e-cig compare? I'm thinking about trying their unflavored WTA when this one starts to run low.

Hi Johnnie

I haven't tried the Newbie WTA because I can't vape e-liquids that have very much PG in them. However, I can speak to your question about Wholecig. For one thing, just so you know, theirs is 100% VG and no PG whatsoever. I don't know if you have a preference or any sensitivities one way or the other regarding PG or VG?

I bought a large quantity of the Wholecig 25mg unflavored e-liquid bottles back last June and then the 36mg DIY unflavored base in October. (The timeframe might not matter, but just to have a reference point since some folks are talking about products made during different months of the year. Aroma's wta infused are 2 different lines, some with more PG and others with more VG. Aroma's unflavored DIY previously had PG but from what I understand it is now VG based and is not supposed to have PG in it anymore. PG and VG will definitely bring different taste and notable flavor differences to the table but you might already know that.)

The 36 mg DIY base is supposed to be using for mixing down. I will plead the 5th amendment on using it by itself. One hit and you will not want to vape it that way again, possibly.

You can, however, vape the 25 mg by itself.

Good luck

 

[Johnnie Price]

I have no issues with PG. I vape 80/20 liquids mainly. High VG has a bit of a mouth feel tome, but nothing unpalatable.

The 36 mg from Whole is simply out of my price range, so I'll probably just order a 10 ml bottle from one or the other. Who is going to depend on price and availability when I do have the money ready toorder.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Mr.Mann]

I have no issues with PG. I vape 80/20 liquids mainly. High VG has a bit of a mouth feel tome, but nothing unpalatable.

The 36 mg from Whole is simply out of my price range, so I'll probably just order a 10 ml bottle from one or the other. Who is going to depend on price and availability when I do have the money ready toorder.

Thanks for the info!

But don't forget about what was written in post #15.

 

[Johnnie Price]

But don't forget about what was written in post #15.

I won't. I'll probably order from Aroma, but if they're out of stock when I have the money available then Whole will be getting my business. Just the way it works when you're poor and lack patience.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I won't. I'll probably order from Aroma, but if they're out of stock when I have the money available then Whole will be getting my business. Just the way it works when you're poor and lack patience.

Trust me, I understand completely!

 

[Cnew]

...I'm a chemist, not a slick marketing guy with a different tie for every day of the week...

And here I thought you were a certain Danish-American actor who starred in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

 

[DVap]

But don't forget about what was written in post #15.

Like I said, I'd back up Johnny's satisfaction on 15 mL with $20, and I suppose I'll also back up his satisfaction on a 2 dram (7+mL) bottle with $10 since it looks like the 2 dram bottles are what Aroma has in stock at the moment.

 

[DVap]

And here I thought you were a certain Danish-American actor who starred in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

You've got Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean mixed up.

 

[Johnnie Price]

Like I said, I'd back up Johnny's satisfaction on 15 mL with $20, and I suppose I'll also back up his satisfaction on a 2 dram (7+mL) bottle with $10 since it looks like the 2 dram bottles are what Aroma has in stock at the moment.

I ended up going with Whole, just because they had a cheaper deal and I'm broke. I had to empty out my savings to get some treatments for my daughter.

When I can afford it, I will definitely be trying out Aroma.

Edit: 10 ml at Whole cost me what 2 drams is worth at Aroma before shipping is calculated. I just couldn't justify the extra expense right now.

 

[Johnnie Price]

How much is a dram anyway?