Just had one of "the talks" with a new vaper

[FinchX]

A good friend of mine recently purchased the newest Inferno kit from Volcano. She claims to love it, despite what another friend has told me about them. She's still smoking the nasties, but has cut down considerably. Unfortunately, she's one of those who doesn't really question the media.

She recently developed strep throat and was trying to pin it on her ecig use. She also inquired about the effects of vaping on asthma and bronchitis, as well as the possibility of vaping too much leading to pneumonia.

I addressed her concerns about asthma and bronchitis personally, for I'm also a sufferer of the two, and assured her I breathe much better now and use my inhaler far less.

I kind of had to improvise my thoughts about any link between it and pneumonia as far as facts go. I know vaping cuts down on the chances of respiratory illnesses but she kept bringing up the fact that the vapor was leaving moisture in your lungs.

So this is where I don't know if I was right or wrong and would like any feedback either way. I told her it was highly unlikely. That the vapor inhaled was more like using a humidifier than what she thought it was. She knows I'm a HEAVY vaper and I told her it's never raised any complications for me, and I hadn't read of anything linking it to pneumonia here on ECF. That also I didn't believe vaping delivered anywhere near enough moisture build up in your lungs to actually settle down in the form of water, resulting in pneumonia. I sincerely hope I didn't provide any misinformation which is why I'm posting it here out of curiosity.

She's experiencing problems with her liquids changing color in the bottles in no time at all. At first I wasn't sure, until she admitted to buying her liquid from a local shop that sells their own made-in-house liquids. I told her it was more than likely them selling their liquids without giving them enough time to properly mix. I don't know if I got that right, but I had a bottle from ECBlend do that to me once and it was my best assumption considering the flavor didn't really change. I told her despite how easy it was to simply go to the shop and sample their liquids, she may be better off taking the time to order online until she finds a few flavors she really enjoys.

Like I said, she listens to the media far too much and still isn't even convinced that ecigs are better for you, so it was difficult trying to convince her they had nothing to do with her strep throat. She's simply trying to make the switch so she doesn't smell like an ashtray, which is good, whatever helps get you off the real thing. I just wish she'd visit sites like ECF or read online testimonies rather than buy into what the news tells her.

 

[TheRac25]

i really wonder what it is about vaping that has the farmers so upset

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

A good friend of mine recently purchased the newest Inferno kit from Volcano. She claims to love it, despite what another friend has told me about them. She's still smoking the nasties, but has cut down considerably. Unfortunately, she's one of those who doesn't really question the media.

She recently developed strep throat and was trying to pin it on her ecig use. She also inquired about the effects of vaping on asthma and bronchitis, as well as the possibility of vaping too much leading to pneumonia.

I addressed her concerns about asthma and bronchitis personally, for I'm also a sufferer of the two, and assured her I breathe much better now and use my inhaler far less.

I kind of had to improvise my thoughts about any link between it and pneumonia as far as facts go. I know vaping cuts down on the chances of respiratory illnesses but she kept bringing up the fact that the vapor was leaving moisture in your lungs.

So this is where I don't know if I was right or wrong and would like any feedback either way. I told her it was highly unlikely. That the vapor inhaled was more like using a humidifier than what she thought it was. She knows I'm a HEAVY vaper and I told her it's never raised any complications for me, and I hadn't read of anything linking it to pneumonia here on ECF. That also I didn't believe vaping delivered anywhere near enough moisture build up in your lungs to actually settle down in the form of water, resulting in pneumonia. I sincerely hope I didn't provide any misinformation which is why I'm posting it here out of curiosity.

She's experiencing problems with her liquids changing color in the bottles in no time at all. At first I wasn't sure, until she admitted to buying her liquid from a local shop that sells their own made-in-house liquids. I told her it was more than likely them selling their liquids without giving them enough time to properly mix. I don't know if I got that right, but I had a bottle from ECBlend do that to me once and it was my best assumption considering the flavor didn't really change. I told her despite how easy it was to simply go to the shop and sample their liquids, she may be better off taking the time to order online until she finds a few flavors she really enjoys.

Like I said, she listens to the media far too much and still isn't even convinced that ecigs are better for you, so it was difficult trying to convince her they had nothing to do with her strep throat. She's simply trying to make the switch so she doesn't smell like an ashtray, which is good, whatever helps get you off the real thing. I just wish she'd visit sites like ECF or read online testimonies rather than buy into what the news tells her.

There is tons of info here at ecf. If you get a change go back to the main ecf page and scroll down to see the staggering amt that is here.

I can try to help, so here goes. First, liquid changing color is not uncommon. It can be due to the natural process of the aging of the liquid or access to excessive heat, etc. It really depends on several factors and what type it is. i.e. a fruit flavor, a tobacco flavor, a dessert flavor etc.

You can also find lots of info in the new members thread, stuff like colds and such do not seem uncommon either. Everyone has a slightly different reactions to the poisions(from real cigs) leaving their bodies. There should be a thread that list some of these and you can also see what others have gone through.

Make sure you and she are increasing your liquid intake. vaping dries your body out big time, so to avoid dehydration, always have water, or your fav beverage on hand.

Hope this helps a little.

 

[MotherNatural]

Did she go to the Dr. and get a strep test to confirm? I get strep throat like symptoms from PG. Raw painfully sore throat and swollen glands in my neck. Gone in less than 24 hours when I cut out the PG. (this includes even small amounts of PG from flavorings)

 

[FinchX]

Did she go to the Dr. and get a strep test to confirm? I get strep throat like symptoms from PG. Raw painfully sore throat and swollen glands in my neck. Gone in less than 24 hours when I cut out the PG. (this includes even small amounts of PG from flavorings)

Yeah she's actually got strep it's confirmed. I'll tell her to try pure VG and see if it helps though. Since she's buying in-house liquid at a local shop, I have no idea what kind of [Moderated] they're putting in it. None of the shops in this area carry any decent liquids so I try to convince the few vaping friends I have to order online. The people working at them are equally ignorant about things. I went into one with my Provari when it still worked, and was asked by the guy working the counter who made my mod. I held it up so he could see the Provari logo, he just looked at me strangely and held up his VAMO 5 and I quote, "you should really try one of these bad boys instead of some no name mod." I shook my head and asked just where he got his information from. Turns out he didn't even know anything about vaping until he went to work there...

 

[crxess]

Streptococcus is a genus of spherical Gram-positive bacteria belonging to the phylum Firmicutes[2] and the lactic acid bacteria group. Cellular division occurs along a single axis in these bacteria, and thus they grow in chains or pairs, hence the name

You cannot get it from Vaping........................................
Though sucking on a ratty nasty never cleaned piece of plastic or metal full of Germs might do the trick.

Some are mildly allergic to varying degrees of PG and/or VG - a slight few(SLIGHT) are strongly allergic. This is why you TEST not ASSUME.

So what happens if you push your friend to 100%VG mixes and all they get is less flavor and heavier lung feel?

Leave treatments to Doctors and spend time getting more familiar with what is what, not what OTHER people think is what.

 

[MotherNatural]

Since she's buying in-house liquid at a local shop, I have no idea what kind of s*** they're putting in it. None of the shops in this area carry any decent liquids so I try to convince the few vaping friends I have to order online. The people working at them are equally ignorant about things. .

Sounds like a good opportunity to DIY with quality ingredients and sell to your friends!

Not likely VG will make a difference if she truly had strep. Even more unlikely she got it from vaping.

 

[erazzz]

She got strep the same way everyone else gets strep. It isn't uncommon. I don't know why she'd think vaping gave her an infection. lol.

 

[FinchX]

Crxess thanks for the input. I'll be sure and tell her it's confirmed that you can't get it from vaping.

Erazzz, like I said, she's new and very ignorant to vaping. She buys into all the crap she sees on the news about it rather than actually asking or doing research.

 

[v1k1ng1001]

Bacteria causes pneumonia and strep. Vaping does not.

Cigarette smoking will definitely create conditions in your lungs amenable to a respiratory infection migrating into your lungs and developing into pneumonia. Vaping not so much.

 

[Baditude]

A visit to CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association should help.

 

[k75srider]

Staight VG gives me a heavy phlemey feeling in my lungs if I do too much. Great for cloud chasing though!

 

[rbrylawski]

I was in my vaper store when the local news station was interviewing the owner of the shop. The questions the reporter was asking were inflammatory and just intended to feed the "this new fangled stuff is dangerous" mentality the media has done a great job of promoting. Questions like kids are getting sick from ingesting juice and I hear people get sick more often on e-cigs, were all calmly answered by the owner with things like parents should lock their juice away from their children like they would any drug.

I'm actually surprised the media has done such a poor job of knowing the facts when it comes to e-cigs. Makes me wonder if maybe they're subsidized by big tabacco?

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

If vaping caused fluid on your lungs you'd need to stay away from getting in hot showers because everybody that takes one would have pneumonia. Hot showers produce tons of water vapor.

I, as well as many others, have noticed huge improvements in my lungs and I'm a chain Vaper. Our bodies go through changes after stopping smoking and far too many associate their symptoms with vaping instead of stopping a really bad habit.

Strep throat is a bacterial throat infection. There's no way vapor caused this. And to be honest, PG is more than likely going to aide in a deterant for infections.

Lots of liquids darken in a tank. It's not rare at all. The heat in the tanks does this. This usually is a result of it being in the tank more than a day (longer exposure to heat). It's not going to hurt the juice at all. If you Vape a tank faster, like many do, they won't notice the change. Some juices don't do this while many others do.

 

[AndriaD]

She got strep the same way everyone else gets strep. It isn't uncommon. I don't know why she'd think vaping gave her an infection. lol.

The same reason so many people seem to think vaping caused their .... pimples, jock itch, and maybe their divorce -- it's a handy scapegoat, and if it can cause "this awful thing," well it can't be any good, so why not just go back to smoking.

It's called rationalization, and despite its name, irrational people do it irrationally all the time.

Andria

 

[realsis]

I can tell you this, I have asthma , and lung scaring, and when smoking I would get pneumonia at least once or twice a year. I see a plumonlogist and my oxygen saturation when smoking was at 94%. Since I started vaping, and I vape heavily, I no longer require my inhaler to breathe. I've not had one single bought of phenumonia and my oxygen saturation has raised back to 100%!! This is a true story, my story. I no longer wheeze or cough or choke. I breathe much much easier. So in my experience and health, I must call B.S. on her claims that vaping had caused these lung issues. I'm one of the MOST sensitive groups when it comes to lungs and lung function and vaping has actually HELPED my issues. Going from 94% oxygen saturation to 100% is nothing less than a miricle. That's a 6% raise. So all that said she may have gotten strep throat but not from vaping. And I highly doubt any of her other issues are related to vaping. I'm speaking from someone with serious lung problems. It's only helped my condition.

 

[Amraann]

Simply put,. Vaping is not for everyone.

OP, if your friend is not willing to do to some of her own research then maybe she is not ready. She is choosing to believe the propoganda because she wants a reason to not give up analogs.
If she really wanted to make an effort she would read here etc.

 

[Mailablemage]

A good friend of mine recently purchased the newest Inferno kit from Volcano. She claims to love it, despite what another friend has told me about them. She's still smoking the nasties, but has cut down considerably. Unfortunately, she's one of those who doesn't really question the media.

She recently developed strep throat and was trying to pin it on her ecig use. She also inquired about the effects of vaping on asthma and bronchitis, as well as the possibility of vaping too much leading to pneumonia.

I addressed her concerns about asthma and bronchitis personally, for I'm also a sufferer of the two, and assured her I breathe much better now and use my inhaler far less.

I kind of had to improvise my thoughts about any link between it and pneumonia as far as facts go. I know vaping cuts down on the chances of respiratory illnesses but she kept bringing up the fact that the vapor was leaving moisture in your lungs.

So this is where I don't know if I was right or wrong and would like any feedback either way. I told her it was highly unlikely. That the vapor inhaled was more like using a humidifier than what she thought it was. She knows I'm a HEAVY vaper and I told her it's never raised any complications for me, and I hadn't read of anything linking it to pneumonia here on ECF. That also I didn't believe vaping delivered anywhere near enough moisture build up in your lungs to actually settle down in the form of water, resulting in pneumonia. I sincerely hope I didn't provide any misinformation which is why I'm posting it here out of curiosity.

She's experiencing problems with her liquids changing color in the bottles in no time at all. At first I wasn't sure, until she admitted to buying her liquid from a local shop that sells their own made-in-house liquids. I told her it was more than likely them selling their liquids without giving them enough time to properly mix. I don't know if I got that right, but I had a bottle from ECBlend do that to me once and it was my best assumption considering the flavor didn't really change. I told her despite how easy it was to simply go to the shop and sample their liquids, she may be better off taking the time to order online until she finds a few flavors she really enjoys.

Like I said, she listens to the media far too much and still isn't even convinced that ecigs are better for you, so it was difficult trying to convince her they had nothing to do with her strep throat. She's simply trying to make the switch so she doesn't smell like an ashtray, which is good, whatever helps get you off the real thing. I just wish she'd visit sites like ECF or read online testimonies rather than buy into what the news tells her.

Out of curiosity, are you near southern oregon? There are b&ms here called ec blend.

 

[FinchX]

Out of curiosity, are you near southern oregon? There are b&ms here called ec blend.

Nah I'm from the desert secluded regions of Texas. Though I order from ECBlend's website on occasion.

Thanks for the link Baditude, that's a new one for me I'll have to bookmark and check out.

Realsis, I have a lot of lung problems myself that seemed to get infinitely better after I got off analogs, so I'm in complete agreement with you there, and I advocate vaping to anyone with similar problems.

Amraann, I'm sorry to say I think you may have a good point there. When I chose to no longer use analogs, I made the switch without any in between time where I was doing both. I know that wasn't the case for a lot of us, but those of us truly determined to quit have made real efforts and even come to ECF looking for any help or pointers other users had for them to assist in quitting. My friend seems more than reluctant to quit, finding reason after reason why she "can't" do it. Right now, as I've said, she's sick and is currently vaping a lot more than smoking because it bothers her throat less. This, one WOULD THINK, to be the opportune time for her to make the switch for good, but instead, she keeps coming to me accusing vaping of things it isn't responsible for.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I never let facts get in the way of my firmly held opinions. It makes my life so much easier. As to throat or other maladies, it is my opinion that carrots are a leading cause of death among all sexes (however many there maybe today), races, nationalities, ethnicity or whatever group you can devise. I have never known anyone who ate a carrot, even just one, who is not dead or will be dead within a, cosmologically speaking, relatively short period of time. I never eat carrots and, because I don't, you shouldn't.