Just Tried The 510 Carto's

[JollyRogers]

Well I am on day 5 with the same 2 510 cartos rotating and no problems with them. Defintely the way to go IMO. I fill them both in the morning before going to work. A single cart lasts me 4-6 hours of freewill vaping at work. Switch to an atty or drip at home with my pints in the evening. Yesterday, my battery died before the carto did! I use about 20-25 drops to fill using the condom method on the mouth piece, clean the cart with a Kleenex, then spin it in my hand. I blow threw the mouth end to verify it's clear. Put it on my SD and vape away. I tried them on HV @ 5V and found the vapor to be to hot for my liking. Also measured the resistance @ 2.8ohms on the carto and 2.4ohms on my 510 attys.

 

[DiMeZ]

Well it's been 5 days and the cart has still been performing pretty well but I decided it was long enough now to take it apart and see if it burned like the KD808 carts even though I kept it nice and wet topping it off on the regular and not to my surprise. No foul tastes good vapor but still burning.

 

[svtboosted]

Don't know what to say.. except not wet enough, even if you thought it was. I've used cartomizers at 6v for over a week and not burnt, only some build up from VG liquid with PG cut in 33%.

Then again.. think about how a cartomizer works -- the polyfill is wrapped around a wire that will heat up.. exposure to enough heat will cause some 'burning' if not wet 100% of the time..

Perhaps cartomizers just aren't for you... then again, I've had cartridges melt at high voltage (empty, no filling) so maybe those wouldn't be for you either.

 

[rick360]

I've been using cartos since I started vaping in Jan 2010.
Red Dragons and 808's. I've never had one do that.
What voltage are you using?
Does anybody make a 808 battery to e9(red dragon) style carto adapter.
The red dragon carts are still my faves. Amazing vapor and smooth throat hit.
Batteries are the weak link.

 

[DiMeZ]

I've been using cartos since I started vaping in Jan 2010.
Red Dragons and 808's. I've never had one do that.
What voltage are you using?
Does anybody make a 808 battery to e9(red dragon) style carto adapter.
The red dragon carts are still my faves. Amazing vapor and smooth throat hit.
Batteries are the weak link.

3.7 volts on a standard KD808 battery with 510 thread adapter and nothing else. The question is have you guys looked to see if yours have burned? Without a foul taste and good performance the average user would assume it's not happening to them but you wouldn't know unless you rip some apart and look.

 

[rick360]

I've ripped several that were old earlier on for fear of what you showed.
Nothing. The red dragons were prefilled and looked burnt from the start but it was just the juice. Filler and insulation were white white white. Can't prove it of course, they're long gone and I haven't looked in awhile.

 

[skydragon]

Well it's been 5 days and the cart has still been performing pretty well but I decided it was long enough now to take it apart and see if it burned like the KD808 carts even though I kept it nice and wet topping it off on the regular and not to my surprise. No foul tastes good vapor but still burning.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am in seeing that. I had high hopes but I thank you for showing the picture.

I have only used the KR8's so that is all I can compare to, but everyone always says it got too dry and when I really started paying attention, every single one of them were sopping wet. I even did kind of an experiment by filling only once, vaping about three cigs worth and then took it apart. Sopping wet and burning (or whatever you want to call it) Tried it again for about two cigs worth, already starting to burn. I do wonder if they change something from the earlier ones as they didn't seem quite as bad. Might be coincidence.

 

[NatureBoy]

I can't tell you how disappointed I am in seeing that. I had high hopes but I thank you for showing the picture.

I have only used the KR8's so that is all I can compare to, but everyone always says it got too dry and when I really started paying attention, every single one of them were sopping wet. I even did kind of an experiment by filling only once, vaping about three cigs worth and then took it apart. Sopping wet and burning (or whatever you want to call it) Tried it again for about two cigs worth, already starting to burn. I do wonder if they change something from the earlier ones as they didn't seem quite as bad. Might be coincidence.

Sounds like cartos 'aren't for you'...

Looks like I won't be ordering any of those any time soon. I'm already inhaling questionable ingredients, I'd rather not inhale toxic fumes from burning polyfill.

 

[skydragon]

Sounds like cartos 'aren't for you'...

Looks like I won't be ordering any of those any time soon. I'm already inhaling questionable ingredients, I'd rather not inhale toxic fumes from burning polyfill.

I love the concept of them though. But like you, I would rather not be inhaling fumes from whatever these cartos are doing.

 

[PCoraJr]

Here is the question to all the veterans out there as well as the people that are using Cartos.

If we have to worry so much about keeping the carto wet all the time, wich means that we have to refill as often as a normal 510 for the fear that the above does not happend. Then why not just stick to Carts? I been using BFM since day one and never had problems with burning. With some time I was able to learn when I was about to run dry and I just refill.

My beef with Cartos (Not the ones sold by Shawn but the KR from another vendor) is that you never know when these things are going to go bad... for me there is no worries when I use carts. but with cartos you have to worry too much about to many things.

My experience with cartos has not been good mind you, but it is not because of the burning, it is because of their performance, yet it worries me that this problem keep creeping up.

 

[skydragon]

Here is the question to all the veterans out there as well as the people that are using Cartos.

If we have to worry so much about keeping the carto wet all the time, wich means that we have to refill as often as a normal 510 for the fear that the above does not happend. Then why not just stick to Carts? I been using BFM since day one and never had problems with burning. With some time I was able to learn when I was about to run dry and I just refill.

My beef with Cartos (Not the ones sold by Shawn but the KR from another vendor) is that you never know when these things are going to go bad... for me there is no worries when I use carts. but with cartos you have to worry too much about to many things.

My experience with cartos has not been good mind you, but it is not because of the burning, it is because of their performance, yet it worries me that this problem keep creeping up.

Hi Pcora,

With me the problem is I found it made no difference how wet it was kept. I am not exaggerating when I say they were sopping wet when I pulled out the filler. Enough to where I left liquid in the empty shell. So it doesn't seem to matter.

I really wish they could fix this.

 

[MsUnderstood]

most youtube vidios show the mouthpiece side.

 

[AlexTM]

It's probably the same thing as with the KR8s: Materials that resist very high temperatures do exist (just ask people who build planes, for example), but they are more expensive, and the makers would rather not pay those few cents more.

After all, presumably, only a minority of vapers is on forums at all, and many of those who do see those pics merely say "User error, won't happen to me" or worse "So what, analogs were worse" and keep buying them.

I'd really, really like to get some decent, safe cartos. Preferably for the 510. Seems I have to wait longer. But shows nicely that not just BT and BP don't care much for the health and safety of their customers, doesn't it?

 

[skydragon]

It's probably the same thing as with the KR8s: Materials that resist very high temperatures do exist (just ask people who build planes, for example), but they are more expensive, and the makers would rather not pay those few cents more.

After all, presumably, only a minority of vapers is on forums at all, and many of those who do see those pics merely say "User error, won't happen to me" or worse "So what, analogs were worse" and keep buying them.

I'd really, really like to get some decent, safe cartos. Preferably for the 510. Seems I have to wait longer. But shows nicely that not just BT and BP don't care much for the health and safety of their customers, doesn't it?

Very true AlexTM. [sigh] At least this time I didn't waste any more money.

 

[NatureBoy]

.....But shows nicely that not just BT and BP don't care much for the health and safety of their customers, doesn't it?

What, you mean to say the Chinese don't care about our health? 8-o

(melamine, lead... etc)

You would hope the people contracting these manufacturers would hold a higher standard to health and safety. Guess not though, huh?

 

[RsL]

Here is the question to all the veterans out there as well as the people that are using Cartos.

If we have to worry so much about keeping the carto wet all the time, wich means that we have to refill as often as a normal 510 for the fear that the above does not happend. Then why not just stick to Carts? I been using BFM since day one and never had problems with burning. With some time I was able to learn when I was about to run dry and I just refill.

I think most veterans gave up on using cartomizers long ago and currently use carts mods and/or dripping.

My beef with Cartos (Not the ones sold by Shawn but the KR from another vendor) is that you never know when these things are going to go bad...

You hit the nail right on the head there. I've torn apart KR808D1 cartomizers which didn't even taste burnt, but sure enough, they were already burning up inside.

My experience with cartos has not been good mind you, but it is not because of the burning, it is because of their performance, yet it worries me that this problem keep creeping up.

There is another brand of cartomizer available which is of a different design which eliminates this problem. Only those based on the KR808D1 design have this issue.

With that said, these new 510 cartomizers are better in the fact that there is a lot more filling in them. So a user should get a longer useful life out of it before the burning begins. At least that is my theory and I am experimenting with these now to see if that is indeed the case.

IMO, if someone is going to use these cartomizers they should use them as they are designed. IE: Throw them away after using once. Sure, you can refill them over and over, but once that burning starts it's only going to get worse...

 

[AlexTM]

With that said, these new 510 cartomizers are better in the fact that there is a lot more filling in them. So a user should get a longer useful life out of it before the burning begins. At least that is my theory and I am experimenting with these now to see if that is indeed the case.

I don't think that is the point, since many cartos have burned up that were still quite wet. It seems, if wetness is a point at all, it is perfectly sufficient if the filling next to the coil is wet or dry. A bit further away it does not seem to matter at all.

 

[RsL]

I don't think that is the point, since many cartos have burned up that were still quite wet. It seems, if wetness is a point at all, it is perfectly sufficient if the filling next to the coil is wet or dry. A bit further away it does not seem to matter at all.

You may be right. I gave up on cartomizers a long time ago and am now trying out these 510 cartos just to see if anything has changed. I could be wrong since I don't have any KR cartos to compare with, but it looks to me like the filling in these 510 cartos is of a different material which might wick better. If it wicks better it may help prevent the internal burning of the material wrapped around the coil.

So far I have opened up just one of these 510 cartos and there was just a slight trace of burning around the material which covers the coil. The filling itself was in great shape. So considering how long the carto lasted and compared with what I've seen in the past with KR cartos, I was a little impressed. But, I've got to use and then open up more of these to get a better feel for what's going on inside of them...

 

[1Bold Opinion]

I don't think that is the point, since many cartos have burned up that were still quite wet. It seems, if wetness is a point at all, it is perfectly sufficient if the filling next to the coil is wet or dry. A bit further away it does not seem to matter at all.

I don't understand all the fuss about cartomizer stuffing material burning??? These are designed to be DISPOSABLE after ONE use??? Yet you are able to reuse most of them multiple times. Its really NO different than the disposable 510 unit batteries that are designed to be charged three times, but for the most part you can get more charges out of them. Anyone complaining about that? Now, IF the cartomizers stated they were designed to be used multiple times with no burning of material, MAYBE that would open it up for debate. Until then use them as long as you can and then TOSS them!! Don't forget the PLUS side to cartomizers of not having to top off AS often and the less of a hassle they are to use.

 

[Tachion]

Same thing with one of my cartomizers, though not quite as bad. Only used it about two days, but it was my first time with a carto, so I probably abused it a bit.

I'll break down the one I'm currently using after a couple more days (been using it for 3 so far).