Kanger T3 vs. Vivi Nova.
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Care to elaborate?
When a juice tastes amazing in a carto, spectacular dripped, and has little to no flavor in a clearo? It's the clearo.
Its the juice, too thick for the tank,thin it out with a few drop of water or PG.
80/20 Tastes and wicks fine in one clearo, not another. Now what?
(Just messing with you mostly. Thick liquids, yes. But not all clearos perform, even with thin liquids)
80/20 Tastes and wicks fine in one clearo, not another. Now what?
If the 2 exact tanks perform differently with the same juice,its the tank or wicks obviously.
I've mostly moved on to carto tanks, but before that it was Vivi Novas (actually GS Vcore) and loved them. Easy to maintain and no leaking issues (until dropped on concrete). Flavor with 30/70 juice was ok, but the carto tank is much better (don't like cartos outside of a tank though). I just got a T3 yesterday and found the flavor much better than the Vivi Nova. Since I've only used it for 2 days though, I can't comment on durability.
I have a drawer full of vivi nova and cartomizer tanks. need to start working on a T2 and T3 drawer. My vivi novas have never leaked. Not once. None of them. Not one drop. But I have screwed up and dumped juice right out of them lol. Never lean over to pick something up while your vivi nova top cap is off. lol.
I like vivi novas a lot and Ive been using them more than anything else lately because once they work, they work well, and they work for a really like time. A cartomizer lasts me 4 days before it starts to piss me off. A vivi head lasts me a month, and even then, its usually because I burned it, not because it died on its own. User error.
I would highly recommend a vivi nova to someone thats been at vaping for a few months. Not to someone that just started, I think cartomizers are where new vapers should be... But after a few weeks of using cartomizers, I definitely try to recommend the vivi nova tanks. They work and they work well with a loooong period before you have to change out a head.
I find that the number one problem with them is wicking issues. Followed closely by the fact that you have to break them in. I believe the fiberglass wick needs to shrink with the heat of the coils before a vivi nova truly starts to shine. But these issues are pretty simple to troubleshoot and if you are a new vaper and someone recommends a vivi nova, don't be afraid of the learning curve, I don't think its too bad at all. It takes about 2-3 hours of at-home vaping for a vivi nova tank to really break in.
With wicking, you have to look at 3 things: 1.) The little rubber piece between the head and your drip tip. 2.) The thickness of you juice. 3.) The girth of your wick. I find that trouble shooting these 3 things when you 1st get your vivi nova is the best way to go. A. I pull out 1-2 of the wick's individual strings. B. I adjust the rubber piece so that the metal saucer within it is toward the top of it, and aligned with my drip tip (which u can check with the drip tip out of the tank's top cap) C. I buy 70pg/30vg juice and/or I add 10-20 drops of distilled water to a newly filled tank. D. I drip a few drops of e-liquid directly to the coils. Nothing too complicated if you've dealt with rebuildables before... & nothing too hard for a noob to learn.
Most of these can be avoided. By that I mean its not always necessary to lessen your wick's threads or dilute your juice. As far as I look at it (after having become acustomed to rebuildables... sheeeesh rebuildables) its just a few quick user maintenance steps and your ready to vape. Not too shabby.
When the tank starts to get low I do -tip and gyrate- every 5-6 hits to ensure the coils are saturated until I get up off my lazy bum to refill the tank. Right now I'm actually vaping pure VG vanilla, a very dark juice, and its giving me no problems at the bottom of the tank so long as I tip and gyrate, keep the coils saturated and be aware of progressively drier hits.
What I've described above should be 2nd nature to a vaper these days. We're all accustomed to user maintenance and feeling for the dry hits these days, aren't we? I mean, a cartomizer tank is truly set-it-and-forget-it, with some of the best flavor you can possible get out of a tank system... And I do still use them for that reason...
But I am a vivi nova convert. I used to hate them. Now, they are my main deal.
I like vivi novas a lot and Ive been using them more than anything else lately because once they work, they work well, and they work for a really like time. A cartomizer lasts me 4 days before it starts to piss me off. A vivi head lasts me a month, and even then, its usually because I burned it, not because it died on its own. User error.
I would highly recommend a vivi nova to someone thats been at vaping for a few months. Not to someone that just started, I think cartomizers are where new vapers should be... But after a few weeks of using cartomizers, I definitely try to recommend the vivi nova tanks. They work and they work well with a loooong period before you have to change out a head.
I find that the number one problem with them is wicking issues. Followed closely by the fact that you have to break them in. I believe the fiberglass wick needs to shrink with the heat of the coils before a vivi nova truly starts to shine. But these issues are pretty simple to troubleshoot and if you are a new vaper and someone recommends a vivi nova, don't be afraid of the learning curve, I don't think its too bad at all. It takes about 2-3 hours of at-home vaping for a vivi nova tank to really break in.
With wicking, you have to look at 3 things: 1.) The little rubber piece between the head and your drip tip. 2.) The thickness of you juice. 3.) The girth of your wick. I find that trouble shooting these 3 things when you 1st get your vivi nova is the best way to go. A. I pull out 1-2 of the wick's individual strings. B. I adjust the rubber piece so that the metal saucer within it is toward the top of it, and aligned with my drip tip (which u can check with the drip tip out of the tank's top cap) C. I buy 70pg/30vg juice and/or I add 10-20 drops of distilled water to a newly filled tank. D. I drip a few drops of e-liquid directly to the coils. Nothing too complicated if you've dealt with rebuildables before... & nothing too hard for a noob to learn.
Most of these can be avoided. By that I mean its not always necessary to lessen your wick's threads or dilute your juice. As far as I look at it (after having become acustomed to rebuildables... sheeeesh rebuildables) its just a few quick user maintenance steps and your ready to vape. Not too shabby.
When the tank starts to get low I do -tip and gyrate- every 5-6 hits to ensure the coils are saturated until I get up off my lazy bum to refill the tank. Right now I'm actually vaping pure VG vanilla, a very dark juice, and its giving me no problems at the bottom of the tank so long as I tip and gyrate, keep the coils saturated and be aware of progressively drier hits.
What I've described above should be 2nd nature to a vaper these days. We're all accustomed to user maintenance and feeling for the dry hits these days, aren't we? I mean, a cartomizer tank is truly set-it-and-forget-it, with some of the best flavor you can possible get out of a tank system... And I do still use them for that reason...
But I am a vivi nova convert. I used to hate them. Now, they are my main deal.
I'd really like to try the kangers next, but before I spend money on kangers I'd like to buy a few mini novas and a few more metal novas. I really love the look of the metal novas with the window.. and if they do crack, the chances of it leaking are slim. I like the metal kangers for that same reason. They look nice too.
I forgot to mention in my above post that 1.) you can direct drip onto your vivi nova's coils just like an atomizer while at home. This beats the hell out of ANY tank in my opinion. Dripping is the best. There is no better flavor than with dripping... and 2.) you can mod cut your vivi nova's wicks as well. Cutting a vivi nova's wick's to stubs and pulling 1-2 strands out can really make your vivi tank blow your mind. No, its not going to wick properly anymore unless you vape horizontally, making sure the juice hits the wick stubs... But with the added space for the juice to get into the coil chamber.. Its very similar to dripping into an atomizer. When the wicks are thick and long, they block the holes. This causes wicking issues. When the wicks are short, the juice doesn't touch them. I like a happy medium... But a tank with specially cut-to-stubs wicks is great if you want great flavor, TH, and vapor production from a vivi tank.
Experiment everyone!
Edit: OK everyone! Well, its been 8 hours since my last post touting how none of my vivi nova tanks have ever leaked andddd I just lost an entire tank to leaking. I think the juice leaked right out of one of the screw-in end caps to be honest? This is weird. This has never happened before. It was laying peacefully on it's side on my bed and I picked it up to have a vape and there was a puddle shaped like a giant strawberry. SO now I can understand the leaking frustration... I've tightened up my caps and i'm now sitting my PV upright. Hopefully this wont happen again. Weird.
I forgot to mention in my above post that 1.) you can direct drip onto your vivi nova's coils just like an atomizer while at home. This beats the hell out of ANY tank in my opinion. Dripping is the best. There is no better flavor than with dripping... and 2.) you can mod cut your vivi nova's wicks as well. Cutting a vivi nova's wick's to stubs and pulling 1-2 strands out can really make your vivi tank blow your mind. No, its not going to wick properly anymore unless you vape horizontally, making sure the juice hits the wick stubs... But with the added space for the juice to get into the coil chamber.. Its very similar to dripping into an atomizer. When the wicks are thick and long, they block the holes. This causes wicking issues. When the wicks are short, the juice doesn't touch them. I like a happy medium... But a tank with specially cut-to-stubs wicks is great if you want great flavor, TH, and vapor production from a vivi tank.
Experiment everyone!
Edit: OK everyone! Well, its been 8 hours since my last post touting how none of my vivi nova tanks have ever leaked andddd I just lost an entire tank to leaking. I think the juice leaked right out of one of the screw-in end caps to be honest? This is weird. This has never happened before. It was laying peacefully on it's side on my bed and I picked it up to have a vape and there was a puddle shaped like a giant strawberry. SO now I can understand the leaking frustration... I've tightened up my caps and i'm now sitting my PV upright. Hopefully this wont happen again. Weird.
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Plumes, I've had that happen a couple of times and what I discovered is that the plastic tank has come a little loose from the bottom metal housing. Take a look at that and see if there is any space inbetween them. If so, you can set it down on a counter and just push it down from the top of the plastic tube and it should lock in.
Hope this might have been the cause!
Hope this might have been the cause!
I think the vivi nova is far superior to the t3. Better flavor, good vapor. No dry hits. With the t3 I get dry hits even though it is bottom feed, Airy draw that I think mutes the flavor of the juice.
Your question has no correct answer. One persons angel is another persons devil. For me personally, both my T3's and my Vivi Nova's are resting peacefully in the zombie box, and I've gone back to using carto tanks now that "Bogegate" seems to be over. If the quality of cartos goes south again next summer (like it has for the last two), I will drag the Nova's and T3's back out again.
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There's already a t3 vs nova thread.
I've been using both for a few days with the same juice and different ohm and volts for each. One has to decide if the pros/cons of each outweigh the other's.
Pros of vivi unmodified:
-slightly better hit and taste
-Can change tip
-cheaper premade replacement coils
Cons of vivi unmodified:
-threads easily strip. Can change to a metal tank (almost the cost of another nova) with solid threads, but stainless steel still leaches chemicals. a glass tank enclosed in metal (for drop protection, not that I generally drop things) with a level window would be great.
-needs shaking to avoid dry hits
Pros of T3 (i'm using an MT3, same as T3 but holds more and enclosed in metal with juice windows) unmodified:
solid build, metal threads
don't have to shake to avoid dry hits as long as not vaping faster than juice can flow
Cons of T3 unmodified:
-can't change tip to rubber I prefer
-I think the vivi tastes better
This might help to get better tasting hits and no dry ones from the T3 though:
cut away some of the rubber stopper on the shaft near the wicks to allow the wicks to absorb more. If you just raise it up the shaft, it will go back to where it was when the two interlocking air shafts screw together, which also might cause the rubber stopper to clamp on the wicks and reduce juice flow. Not fully tightening the two parts together might not cause the rubber stopper to clamp on the wicks also.
I removed the two wicks besides the coil wick and it didn't flood, but I couldn't tell a difference in taste.
I want to remove the 2 extra wicks besides the coil wick AND all/most of the coil wick and use the uncut rubber stopper near the wicks to find if there's a sweet spot that allows just enough juice in to give a drip-like hit without it flooding or not pulling at all because the vacuum effect is lost. It might flood to the battery though. I'll eventually try it in hopes to not waste a coil. If it works, T3 would have a better hit than the nova, it doesn't have to be shaken, and the T3's built better so then the T3's better in all categories except pre-made replacement coil price and can't change the tip.
FWIW, though, I'm moving past clearos and learning about MODs; can get glass tanks enclosed in metal with juice window, SS wick tastier and healthier, etc, just larger in diamater.
Edit: I just tried removing all the T3 wicks and leaving the bare coil. It didn't work. It leaked into the battery and the juice doesn't even reach the coil without wicks. I had to shake it before hitting to get juice to the coil, but once that's burned, noting else flows and I barly got a hit.
Removing the two extra flavor wicks and leaving just the coil wick helps though.
So I say the Vivi nova gives a slightly better tasting hit and is cheaper for coils, but is built worse and needs shaking.
I changed out the vivi tip to a tiny CE2 rubber one, which compared to the stock tip gives a better flavor because it's closer to the coil and I think I can actually taste the stock plastic tip.
final edit: thinking the nova tastes better might be because I have to give the T3 half a second to fill the air duct with vapor, otherwise the first impression is airness. In conclusion, I think the nova tastes better/more liek dripping, but not by much.
I've been using both for a few days with the same juice and different ohm and volts for each. One has to decide if the pros/cons of each outweigh the other's.
Pros of vivi unmodified:
-slightly better hit and taste
-Can change tip
-cheaper premade replacement coils
Cons of vivi unmodified:
-threads easily strip. Can change to a metal tank (almost the cost of another nova) with solid threads, but stainless steel still leaches chemicals. a glass tank enclosed in metal (for drop protection, not that I generally drop things) with a level window would be great.
-needs shaking to avoid dry hits
Pros of T3 (i'm using an MT3, same as T3 but holds more and enclosed in metal with juice windows) unmodified:
solid build, metal threads
don't have to shake to avoid dry hits as long as not vaping faster than juice can flow
Cons of T3 unmodified:
-can't change tip to rubber I prefer
-I think the vivi tastes better
This might help to get better tasting hits and no dry ones from the T3 though:
cut away some of the rubber stopper on the shaft near the wicks to allow the wicks to absorb more. If you just raise it up the shaft, it will go back to where it was when the two interlocking air shafts screw together, which also might cause the rubber stopper to clamp on the wicks and reduce juice flow. Not fully tightening the two parts together might not cause the rubber stopper to clamp on the wicks also.
I removed the two wicks besides the coil wick and it didn't flood, but I couldn't tell a difference in taste.
I want to remove the 2 extra wicks besides the coil wick AND all/most of the coil wick and use the uncut rubber stopper near the wicks to find if there's a sweet spot that allows just enough juice in to give a drip-like hit without it flooding or not pulling at all because the vacuum effect is lost. It might flood to the battery though. I'll eventually try it in hopes to not waste a coil. If it works, T3 would have a better hit than the nova, it doesn't have to be shaken, and the T3's built better so then the T3's better in all categories except pre-made replacement coil price and can't change the tip.
FWIW, though, I'm moving past clearos and learning about MODs; can get glass tanks enclosed in metal with juice window, SS wick tastier and healthier, etc, just larger in diamater.
Edit: I just tried removing all the T3 wicks and leaving the bare coil. It didn't work. It leaked into the battery and the juice doesn't even reach the coil without wicks. I had to shake it before hitting to get juice to the coil, but once that's burned, noting else flows and I barly got a hit.
Removing the two extra flavor wicks and leaving just the coil wick helps though.
So I say the Vivi nova gives a slightly better tasting hit and is cheaper for coils, but is built worse and needs shaking.
I changed out the vivi tip to a tiny CE2 rubber one, which compared to the stock tip gives a better flavor because it's closer to the coil and I think I can actually taste the stock plastic tip.
final edit: thinking the nova tastes better might be because I have to give the T3 half a second to fill the air duct with vapor, otherwise the first impression is airness. In conclusion, I think the nova tastes better/more liek dripping, but not by much.
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I have both. I ended up buying 5 more mini Vivi novas. I like the kanger but I get some gurgly over wicking and leaks from it. This rarely happens with the vivi, even when I carry 2 I'm my pocket full of juice. I also get more vapor out of the Vivi and its a little warmer.
I had moved to DCT.. gave me excellent flavours than the vivi. But change the cartomizer to a Boge. Will save you a lot of juice when you're re-filling.
Now I think that removing the two 'extra' flavor wicks besides the coil wick from the T3 head doesn't allow as much juice to get to the coil and weakens the hit despite that being a common tip for a better vape.
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I tried two Vivi Novas and had middling experiences with them. Sometimes they worked, other times they leaked. Either way, the flavor was still muted compared to a good carto/tank setup. The T3s have been much less problematic for me, though there are inconsistency issues. Generally, carto/tank is my first choice, but for NET juices the T3 has been serving me well.
I like the vivi nova alot better till the t3 is fixed. T3 to me is better taste an vapor but when its not which is most of the time it taste burnt an leaks awful. The nova leaks from time to time from tipping but the taste is always consistant
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