Do you have the peak insulator? They had some crappy insulator that was causing a burnt taste.
KangerTech SUBTANK Mini
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I am no expert, but I know that was an issue, which basarudo pointed out in his review. When I shopped for mine, I made sure it had the peak insulator.
Question: Do the Subtank Mini and Nano with the 1.2 coil eat up a lot of juice? Wondering how it is compared to things like nautilus Mini or Kayfun at a 1.2 build. Thanks in advance.
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Dont' feel bad V. I trash more than I complete. Motor control issues. That's why duplicating them easily is a plus in my book.
Good luck.
The Subtank Mini definitely goes through juice faster then my Nauty Mini does.
Thanks, are you mainly using the .5 or is the 1.2 just as bad?
Some good observations there P. You get gunk as you know from experience with a loose electrical connection. Nothing will sour your vape faster. So when a wind does that you know that it's come from over-heating. The venting of radiant energy to the liquid at the winds surface, evaporating some, diffusing it all. Not exactly where we want it to go.
It's best when we can build to match the wick to the wire and flow (both air and liquid).
Yes, these new coils are about some of the best factory coils I've seen. They're designed to target sub-Ω and produce a lot of vapor. And with vapor production comes a lot of flavor. But there is a lot of radiant diffusion of that vapor which makes the resulting texture feel dry and taste somewhat muted and warm, really warm. The downside is, the more you vaporize the more you gunk. Can't avoid that.
I prefer to target more dense vaporization at lower temperatures and to combine the effects of draw style, airflow and drip tip selection as the means to diffuse the resulting vapor. You can generate dense full clouds, create expansion and most of all max out the best taste results for you with these techniques. But the main job of the wind, the important part, is converting as much juice flow for the energy punch.
Short of that it's a great effect. But back at the barn we gotta enjoy the vape.
I'm with ya on the stock 1.2Ω at higher wattage, as much as I like the low side. Better density there.
Good luck P.
p.s. brook on the ProtankMicro thread did a straightforward tensioned 29AWG build for the RBA which seemed to work quite well for the center performance range of the Mini (15-20W). Haven't tried it yet but maybe you could and give us a confirmation.
I think part of my issues also come from the fact that I'm not looking for clouds, and tried more resistance at lower wattage with less airflow (I built a 1.8 per the iStick for my magma and vape it at ~11w with big clouds). The SM for me was meant to be a tank to take with me when I go out, but building and testing at home is a little tough as I have to go outside to test fire, then back inside to wick, then back outside to test the build (less clouds in my house is a must at the moment out of respect for my parents - hence I use the EMOW while inside and use my Magma outside - if it were my own place, I wouldn't care). Using the magma I found a couple of juices that should work with the SM. I'll check out that other build and try it. Can't hurt, and I'm not going to get rid of the SM...I'm stubborn and want it to work out! Will have to stop tomorrow for some OCC heads, so I may check out a different drip tip - maybe something longer - to see if that helps.
Thanks for the build suggestion!
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I've used both and really can't see much of a difference, I run both in the low teens on wattage. I would think if you run the 1.2 in the lower teens and the .5 in the upper twentys then the .5 would drink the juice a bit faster. Like Flapstick said the flavor is so much better that I don't care but then again I DIY on my juice so cost is not a big deal either way.
I read ya PM. I really, really dig the clouds. But not at the expense of a good flavor/taste experience. The latter being texture and really important to what you get out of a juice. The Sub+Mini are well engineered tanks. An order of magnitude better than what we've seen from Kanger in the past. And now everybody's tryin' to step up from the rear.
I'm vaping a PT2 with a tensioned 29AWG at .2Ω right now. It's great for the cool side of flavors I enjoy in Ginger's (The Vapor Room) Hazelnut Tobacco, the sweater substantive VG based ingredients of this juice. Full on high power in the sub tank with a lot of diffusion the subtleties are lost but the tobacco roars if still muted by higher diffusion.
It's about building for the flavor experience you want. For the above I can get both, a nice and rich blend, with a good microcoil. A mainstream build of ~1.8Ω at 29AWG should do nicely generally for the Mini in that 15-20W range. So as skeptical as I was that the Subbie design would be all about dispersion of vapor at high heat levels, it's really possible to tame these babies.
I'm all for tryin' every tool in the bag.
Wish you all good luck. Gimme a nudge if you need.
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Some Juice manufacturers add distilled water to thin it out - I don't agree with them claiming 100% VG, but that's what they do - I guess because there is Zero PG.....
Well I got a great 24 hours of heavy use from it. And I'm an absolute beginner at wicking.
Started tasting like a burnt boot so I knew what happened. Bright side: not using an expensive occ coil!
Started tasting like a burnt boot so I knew what happened. Bright side: not using an expensive occ coil!
no comparison to the naut mini in either flavour or clouds, subtank by far is the better tank.I haven't used the .5 (and probably never will), but the 1.2 ohms coil evaporates the juice 2 to 3 times faster than Nautilus - depending on your wattage.
But given it's ten times tastier and flavorful, I'm OK with that!
but in saying so it drinks juice way more the the naut mini.
but flavour and vapor production are ten times better than naut mini hence juice consumption goes up and it doesnt help when i cant get my lips off the subtank.
going through at about 4 to 6 tanks daily thank god that i started diying juice a few months ago or id be broke buying off the shelf juice(exaggerating), any1 contemplating buying the subtank mini u have been warned.
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Uh oh... now I'm starting to wonder if ordering the mini was a good idea- if it goes through juice like you guys are saying, lol. My egrip has made my juice consumption go up enough already. I figure the sub mini will be my #2 set up but I'm not sure I can afford two juice hogs as my daily drivers... I don't diy juice except when I need to dilute to bring my nicotine level down. If I get coil building down, maybe diy juice will be the next step...
Fyi, I ordered my mini from sweet vape and they offer clear insulator or brown. Just had to leave note in comments telling them my preference.
Fyi, I ordered my mini from sweet vape and they offer clear insulator or brown. Just had to leave note in comments telling them my preference.
Listen to Vince bro...more push on the pedal the faster the pit stop. You get the juice ya build for.
So the question is with OCC, is the vapor production worth the flavor return? Or, vice versa.
Find your balance. That's the ticket.
DIY has its rewards.
Good luck all.
Bought my second Mini today on vapordna. Using my wife's a few times really talked me into it.
If you are happy with a lower output device then upgrading to a higher performing device might not be the best thing for you. All the new sub ohm tanks produce more flavor and more vapor. They aren't magic though. That flavor & vapor comes from juice. The bigger the clouds the bigger the juice budget. DIY juice is a good solution though. You can reduce your juice budget AND get the great flavor and clouds at the same time.
I've been an Atlantis user and pulled the trigger on a mini, been vaping the 1.2 ohm coil for a few hours now and I am impressed so far! The flavor….WOW, doesn't even taste like the same juice, looking fwd to trying the .5 coil, time will tell how it holds up.
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