Kayfun and unexperienced user

[Bosco]

Only you can answer whether a KFL(+) is right for you. You do need to build coils but I can tell you it's awfully easy. I decided to get into rebuilding with clone atties and I hated it - the ones I got were such a pain to rebuild. The Kayfun is a joy to rebuild - so easy. And the flavor is the best of anything I've tried so far . . by a long shot.

In order to keep the KFL+ going strong, I find myself rebuilding coils every few days. It takes me less than 5 minutes to make a new coil. Gotta keep a supply of wire and wick (I use cotton) around as well as a few tools (small screwdrivers, multi-meter, wide-bore syring for filling, etc). If you've never built a coil before it will probably take some practice - but the Kayfun is so easy that I think I would've been much more successfull right away if I had started with it instead of those wonky fasttech clones.

If the above doesn't bother you then I say go for it - you will not be dissapointed in the performance.

 

[SissySpike]

Keep in mind that you can wrap a 1.5 ohm micro coil and it will likely error on your provari. The Kayfun really shines with micro coils and because of that it really shines on mechanical mods. A micro coil is simply a coil that's wound so that each wrap is touching the one next to it. It is, in fact, a series of very deliberate and intentional atomizer shorts, but in this case, we want that; the probelm is, it tricks the micro processors in common regulated mods into a fault.

Now we are making it complicated getting in to specific coils and precise ohms is not really what the OP is asking. This is also getting in to the personal preference realm. I like mine with a 1.5...6...7....ish with 30 gauge 4/5 wrap on my Semovar. Thats just me.

If you follow the mechanical advice you should also learn about the limitations of your batteries and how oms work. Id say do some youtubing start with a simple wrap coil and get that down then move on to more exotic coils as you get more comfortable.

 

[Shedit]

30 gauge Kanthal
9/10 wraps on a 16 gauge blunt syringe need compressed to a micro coil
cotton wick

SHOULD put you in the 1.3+ ohm range which your provari should be able to read. My vamo can fire it so I would guess a provari could.

Getting a dedicated ohm meter is still a good idea. I do not know if the provari reads ohms without firing the atty or not.

Provari does fire the coil at low voltage to check ohms, don't know if that will be a problem checking a naked coil, but found out the hard way it will burn a carto with no juice in it.

 

[ease21]

The kfl is probably one of the most versatile rebuildables out there. I'm currently using one on my provari, microcoil at 1.4 ohms no issue and I run another on a nemesis at .7 ohms. A previous poster doubted the provari would fire a micro coil, I can yell you without a doubt, its no problem as long as there are enough wraps. The squape and tai fun are other options, but at almost twice the price, the kayfun is better value (I own multiples of all three, and don't regret any of them).

 

[PLANofMAN]

Keep in mind that you can wrap a 1.5 ohm micro coil and it will likely error on your provari. The Kayfun really shines with micro coils and because of that it really shines on mechanical mods. A micro coil is simply a coil that's wound so that each wrap is touching the one next to it. It is, in fact, a series of very deliberate and intentional atomizer shorts, but in this case, we want that; the problem is, it tricks the micro processors in common regulated mods into a fault.

If you do go with a kayfun, I highly recommend using organic or sterile cotton for a wicking medium... it makes maintenance a breeze, and yields a very nice vape. Want to change flavors? just take the kayfun down to it's wick and coil, gently remove the old one, give it a dry burn, rinse slide in a new wick and fill with your new flavor...

Other advantages to cotton wicks are, price, availability. You can't get silica at CVS, but you better believe you can get 10 years worth of cotton wick for $6. That $6 might only buy you about 20 feet of silica, but it will buy you so much cotton you'll probably quit vaping before you use it up.

I rebuild my protanks with microcoils and have had 0 issues getting them to test or fire on my ProVari. Just my 2 cents.

 

[G Izlude]

I rebuild my protanks with microcoils and have had 0 issues getting them to test or fire on my ProVari. Just my 2 cents.

I guess I shouldn't have lumped the provari into the same category as other regulated mods. I committed the sin of making an assumption about something i probably shouldn't have simply because mods like evic and i taste's VTR and MVP behaved a certain way that provari likely do the same. from what I can tell, the provari has a bit more sophisticated microprocessor that other variables out there.

 

[SissySpike]

I guess I shouldn't have lumped the provari into the same category as other regulated mods. I committed the sin of making an assumption about something i probably shouldn't have simply because mods like evic and i taste's VTR and MVP behaved a certain way that provari likely do the same. from what I can tell, the provari has a bit more sophisticated microprocessor that other variables out there.

Tread lightly my friend Provari owners accost the globe are waiting for the chance to chew up and spit out their first hater of 2014 ;-)

 

[Myrany]

I don't know what the bottom end ohm level is for provari. I can honestly say my Vamo V2 will fire a 1.2 ohm coil and read the ohms on coils well below 1 ohm.

 

[Thrasher]

I see mechs mentioned - I ran mine on a a roller mech at .9 ohms for work, and it worked great, when set up just right as the battery dies the flavor didnt even change, it just made less vapor, when the flavor did finally taste different it was def time for a recharge.

the KF is a really nice kit and very versatile

 

[PLANofMAN]

A ProVari will fire a coil .8 oHm or higher (as long as the 3.8 amp limit isn't exceeded) and will read a coil down to .7 oHm. Don't get a ProVari if you are into high voltage sub oHm vaping- it won't work out very well.

Tread lightly my friend Provari owners accost the globe are waiting for the chance to chew up and spit out their first hater of 2014 ;-)

Believe it or not, I was just looking for threads on Kayfuns.

I guess I shouldn't have lumped the provari into the same category as other regulated mods. I committed the sin of making an assumption about something i probably shouldn't have simply because mods like evic and i taste's VTR and MVP behaved a certain way that provari likely do the same. from what I can tell, the provari has a bit more sophisticated microprocessor that other variables out there.

Pretty much, yeah. The DNA 20 and the Nivel chip are the other two that are in the same league (and some heretics even claim that they are better).

 

[Bosco]

Keep in mind that you can wrap a 1.5 ohm micro coil and it will likely error on your provari. The Kayfun really shines with micro coils and because of that it really shines on mechanical mods. A micro coil is simply a coil that's wound so that each wrap is touching the one next to it. It is, in fact, a series of very deliberate and intentional atomizer shorts, but in this case, we want that; the problem is, it tricks the micro processors in common regulated mods into a fault.

I have to say I have not heard, read, experienced or witnessed anything to make me think the above is true. A microcoil is not a series of intentional shorts. A 1 inch piece of wire will have the same resistance if its straight or microcoiled. Electronic PVs have no issues firing them. One of the benefits is sub-ohm type performance at higher ohms so you CAN use them on regulated devices. I don't have a provari but I've used microcoils on everything from a kick 2 to an ego twist and I've seen plenty of videos with microcoils on provaris.

 

[G Izlude]

I have to say I have not heard, read, experienced or witnessed anything to make me think the above is true. A microcoil is not a series of intentional shorts. A 1 inch piece of wire will have the same resistance if its straight or microcoiled. Electronic PVs have no issues firing them. One of the benefits is sub-ohm type performance at higher ohms so you CAN use them on regulated devices. I don't have a provari but I've used microcoils on everything from a kick 2 to an ego twist and I've seen plenty of videos with microcoils on provaris.

In my personal experience, I've never been able to get a micro coil to fire on any regulated mod besides a DNA20. The kick will work on micro coils i've made above 1.5-ish ohms. That said, I did apologize for ignorantly lumping provari's into the same category as other regulated mods, which I shouldn't have done, as I've no experience trying to fire a micro coil on one. In fact everything I do know about them points to a highly sophisticated device.

As for micro coils being a "short" everywhere the wraps touch, this is true, but it's precisely true simply because all coils are shorts, that's the reason they heat up. we just use a medium that will withstand the heat without breaking the wire. Every time one wrap touches another, you are creating another -/+ contact point. we're just doing it in a deliberate fashion to achieve a desired result whereas the typical concept of a short is undesirable, for the purposes of this application it is.

 

[PLANofMAN]

It takes just a few minutes using common supplies to wind a correct electrical coil. Kids do jump rings every day. This will take you about a minute to wind 16 wraps, de-wind the extra turns to leave a very tight center of 8 or 9 turns perfectly with the resulting metal memory of a screen door spring. No crunchy, squeezy, pinchy required. Torch it right on the screwdriver, if you like, and install it intact right on that KF. Invert the coil (8 turns facing up), separate the turns and extend into the posts, tighten in place and consider…those end legs are fighting to resume the position you wound them in. Always trying to be a coil. Pulse the mod and squeeze them together until you get an even burn from the center to perfect your contact coil. You now have an annealed burned in coil and you haven't had to manhandle a single wire.

We're using coils that weren't considered functional even at the start of electronics. t believe if you review these two threads you're going to find the basics you need and fine tune the building technique you're going to want for just about any kind of device you're likely to vape...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html

Happy Holidays. Good luck.

Your link(s) were broken. I fixed 'em.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html

 

[DancingHeretik]

And cotton is highly recommended, but flammable. Drench that cotton before you test fire and fire a few times before assembling the product and filling the tank. I think I heard someone say that it helps in creating a carbon layer between the coil and the cotton. I'm not sure that is accurate, but it works for me.

The Vamo and the MVP2 both check resistance without firing (like an Ohm Meter does). Although it does still run a tiny bit of current through the coil when testing still.

Creating a carbon layer is for stainless steel mesh, not cotton.

 

[MacTechVpr]

It takes just a few minutes using common supplies to wind a correct electrical coil. Kids do jump rings every day. This will take you about a minute to wind 16 wraps, de-wind the extra turns to leave a very tight center of 8 or 9 turns perfectly with the resulting metal memory of a screen door spring. No crunchy, squeezy, pinchy required. Torch it right on the screwdriver, if you like, and install it intact right on that KF. Invert the coil (8 turns facing up), separate the turns and extend into the posts, tighten in place and consider…those end legs are fighting to resume the position you wound them in. Always trying to be a coil. Pulse the mod and squeeze them together until you get an even burn from the center to perfect your contact coil. You now have an annealed burned in coil and you haven't had to manhandle a single wire.

We're using coils that weren't considered functional even at the start of electronics. t believe if you review these two threads you're going to find the basics you need and fine tune the building technique you're going to want for just about any kind of device you're likely to vape...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html

Happy Holidays. Good luck.

Your link(s) were broken. I fixed 'em.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html

Thanks PM! Doin' my best tryin' to get 'em to get to it!

Happy New Year! Good luck.