great information on the kayfun thanks. still going to get one at the first of the month. kinda nervous i am getting my dog spayed on Monday and she is the cutest happiest lovable dog ever i just don't want anything to go wrong.
kayfun clone 3.1 questions
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I recently purchased a kayfun clone, not sure the who the maker is as it has no markings and was the last one in my local B&M on display so of course they couldnt find the box and the girl at the counter was new so... anyway it has been the best purchase of vape gear i have ever made. been using it for about a week and half and have no, absolutely no issues with anything. I payed $40 for it would do it again, and prob will lol. Go for it, get one. I have or have had, about every style of topper there is and all had some issues of some type except this clone.
I honestly don't know. It's quite a new "problem" and not many people know this.
And some are ignorant and say "pff the cigarettes i smoked are way dangerous, so abit of lead doesn't worry me"
I'd care alot for the lead. I vape to stay healthier so vaping lead is not on my list. ^^
There's a reason why these brass clones are so cheap (looking at the 15$kayfun) also just go into that 15$ clone and read the comments of it ^^ They're not happy with it, and FT is quite stupid that they're keeping to supply brass attys. People don't want to buy that. Well they should have abit of kudos, as they've now recently started to state that they're made of brass. They didn't do that before. It was when these youtube videos got out they changed it. So it's kind of shady...
Thanks for your thoughts.
It's especially interesting as I have a KFL+ Clone on its way here. It's a tobeco and claims the materials are ss, so I'll be doing a little scratching when the slow boat from china arrives in NS. As relieved as I am about getting away from the ciggies, I've no more interest than you in stepping out of the frying pan and into the wok - if you'll pardon the poor pun.
I've heard a lot of good things about many of the clones; some QC issues, but nothing I recall about brass decks and posts. I hope this turns out to be less of an issue than I worry it may be.
PS @trentenmarschel : you have an adorable little pooch there. I'm sure she'll be good as gold post-op. Don't fret.
It's especially interesting as I have a KFL+ Clone on its way here. It's a tobeco and claims the materials are ss, so I'll be doing a little scratching when the slow boat from china arrives in NS. As relieved as I am about getting away from the ciggies, I've no more interest than you in stepping out of the frying pan and into the wok - if you'll pardon the poor pun.
I've heard a lot of good things about many of the clones; some QC issues, but nothing I recall about brass decks and posts. I hope this turns out to be less of an issue than I worry it may be.
PS @trentenmarschel : you have an adorable little pooch there. I'm sure she'll be good as gold post-op. Don't fret.
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Please don't fall for the latest scare-urban myth about lead poisoning from chrome, chromed brass or anything else. It is basically a bunch of over-inflated nonsense. Sorry to seem rude and authoritarian, but this nonsense has been making the rounds for the last few weeks on vaping forums and as often as we debunk it, it raises its stupid little head again. It's tiresome, and needs to be put to bed permanently.
For seasoned vapers out there - think about what protanks and clearos are made of...
Your Kayfuns etc., will be fine. I have three and with the exception of a little Taifun GS, I do not use anything else of my tons of stuff anymore.
For seasoned vapers out there - think about what protanks and clearos are made of...
Your Kayfuns etc., will be fine. I have three and with the exception of a little Taifun GS, I do not use anything else of my tons of stuff anymore.
Please don't fall for the latest scare-urban myth about lead poisoning from chrome, chromed brass or anything else. It is basically a bunch of over-inflated nonsense. Sorry to seem rude and authoritarian, but this nonsense has been making the rounds for the last few weeks on vaping forums and as often as we debunk it, it raises its stupid little head again. It's tiresome, and needs to be put to bed permanently.
For seasoned vapers out there - think about what protanks and clearos are made of...
Your Kayfuns etc., will be fine. I have three and with the exception of a little Taifun GS, I do not use anything else of my tons of stuff anymore.
Except for you can't scratch the protanks surface to reveal the brass. I've tried even with a screw it won't scratch.
On those brass posts a fingernail can reveal the brass. They're using lowgrade brass that's why its so cheap. Well if you want to use it, go ahead i won't argue about it. Personally i don't wanna risk it. There is some brass types that are considered safe however they're not the cheap brass. Also there's a reason why Brass waterpipes are now banned. Because it made the water contain to much lead.
And since this brass material is so "weak" soft, imagine what will happen when you heat up the coils to over 150c and juice lying on it. The chrome plating will come of for sure. It's not made to withstand that.
Again it's up to you, i just wanted to raise a fair warning for those who actually cares. Go do a research about brass and lead.
Edit: you didnt watch the video did you?
Sorry, there are "fair warnings" and then there is repeating inaccurate information and inadvertently scare-mongering and contributing to the spread and persistence of urban mythology.
You do not know what grade of materials are used, therefore it is not necessarily accurate to state that these are 'cheap' materials of the kind that would cause leakage if that leakage actually existed. Protanks are not necessarily produced with 'better' materials. They are manufactured in the same factories in the same industrial zone of the same city.
There has never been one iota of scientific evidence for claims that chromed brass used in bases or other parts of atties are dangerous to health. A lot of hysteria and hearsay, yes. Evidence, no.
I personally don't care a whit what people do or buy. But if inaccurate information is posted repeatedly, then that becomes problematic.
Sorry, but this is erroneous information as there is very little risk of lead getting into your eliquid from a chromed brass center post. The brass would literally have to reach a boiling point and melt in order for there to be any risk of lead contamination ... the melting point of brass is 1652 to 1724 °F, while the average atomizer heats up to 200-350 degrees Fahrenheit, which is very much below the boiling point of brass.
If your device came anywhere near 1652 degrees Fahrenheit, your hand would burn off, long before that brass even had a chance to melt.
It is one thing to share your own personal preferences regarding what you do, and do not feel safe using with regards to e cigarette products ... to each its own. But it is totally irresponsible to pass your personal preference off AS LAW, most especially when it is substantiated only by the shared fear of another vaper. Safe vapers are great dudes, and funny e cigarette vapers however, they are not scientists, engineers, or metallurgist, and from what I can gather, neither are you.
FACT .. brass must reach a boiling point, and melt in order for it to pose any risk of lead contamination from amount of lead contained within the brass.
You are entitled to your fears, and concerns, which at this point is a contaminate in and off itself when you pass around second hand, misinformation. You do not help your fellow vapers with misinformation, in fact you do them a disservice.
This is one of the most ridiculous and misinformed statements I have EVER read on this forum ... and you have to audacity to speak of the IGNORANCE of another? If that is not the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what is ... How long have you been vaping? 5 seconds
@bogmonster, you would do yourself well to NOT take any of the statements made by this individual with even a grain of salt. This topic has in fact been discussed many times, in many ways, on many forums.
In the end, make the choices that you are most comfortable living with, and be very discerning in whose advice you listen to ... mine included.
ever since i bought mine 2 weeks ago, it has been the only topper i use. the only complaint i have is the fill hole sucks,i only fill from the top.
i got the brushed steel. yesterday i bought ehpro russian 91% so looking forward to that.
vape on
i got the brushed steel. yesterday i bought ehpro russian 91% so looking forward to that.
vape on
didnt read any of the other posts yet but heres my take on the HCigar 3.1
Its an awesome piece of work... threads are smooth the seams are almost invisible, altho I only use the SS middle section ( not the clear part) there are no leaks what so ever considering the seals/orings/threads. Refilling is easy... I do it from the top with no holding holes/flipping etc ( I use 100vg) all I do is remove the top, add juice, put top back on and vape away.....
rebuilding coils is a breeze with this unit....
only thing I dont care for is having to empty the tank if I want to change the internals, but there is a neat trick that can be used to salvage the juice... use the top as a funnel to put the juice back into the bottle...
the HC3.1 is the best 44$ investment into my vaping gear I have made to this date...
Its an awesome piece of work... threads are smooth the seams are almost invisible, altho I only use the SS middle section ( not the clear part) there are no leaks what so ever considering the seals/orings/threads. Refilling is easy... I do it from the top with no holding holes/flipping etc ( I use 100vg) all I do is remove the top, add juice, put top back on and vape away.....
rebuilding coils is a breeze with this unit....
only thing I dont care for is having to empty the tank if I want to change the internals, but there is a neat trick that can be used to salvage the juice... use the top as a funnel to put the juice back into the bottle...
the HC3.1 is the best 44$ investment into my vaping gear I have made to this date...
hmmm you posted wikipedias lead poisoning... but did you look up brass on it too? Brass is made of copper and zinc.... no lead involved
I am not sure of this fact. Can you explain this further?
Why, for example, do brass plumbing fixtures pose a risk for lead exposure?
They are not subject to these high temperatures.
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It depends on how acidic the water in the pipes is (I think eliquids aren't acidic), and water pipes are also subjected to large stress and therefore decay. The lead content in even an all brass RBA is quite low, and RBAs aren't stressed in the same way as water pipes. I'm not particularly worried.
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Would the citric acids in fruit flavored e-juices or other tank cracking juices be a concern?
Its nothing that a google search, and some sound research on the topic (as it pertains to e cigarettes, and vaping) can't explain further for you in order to satisfy any inquiry that you, or anyone else has.
I am not a fan of second hand knowledge, so no one should take my word for anything. Researched on your own it would then be YOUR knowledge, and not what I told you... Although I do hope that you would look to a more credible source of information than Safe Vapers vape channel, or that of a newbie vaper. ;-)
And KenD also makes a good point in his post. Tap water, and e liquid are not the same thing.
@OP sorry for derailing your thread ... I came here for more info, and feedback on the Kayfun 3.1 myself.
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AAArrrghh no its the "we will all die from an atom of lead poisoning in brass" rearing its head (never mind the cadmium in stainless steel and chromium we all studiously avoid )
I've worked with metals on and off all my life, I spent my young teenage years working in my uncle's scrapyard cutting up brass, copper, kryptonite, doesnotexistium etc etc and I don't have any signs or features of metal fume fatigue nor lead poisoning, a British scrap yards bread and butter is brass, copper and lead and I have handled all in all weathers, cut up with torches, no masks in them days...
Seriously folks, you have more chance of health hazard from poor chrome plating than any brass in your atty, that iddy diddy coil o' wire is NEVER going to get hot enough to even melt lead let alone melt a metal that is a much higher melting point, 6-700 degrees minimum to make brass sweat.
How much lead do you think poor quality "pig" brass would have in a small atomiser sized unit? I doubt you could even find a gram overall and "pig" brass is called that because its pretty rough, pitty, poor machining and casting quality, those shiny looking things we get from China are almost certainly not an inferior grade because even a modicum of lead in there would cause electroplating issues, you can tell chromed pig brass by the pitting, dimples and holes.
This has become an urban myth, go read up on MFF and read how you have to inhale those molten droplets of metals every day for decades, this isn't warm metal or wet metal but molten particulates that are given off in burning fumes, the metal is actually burning for a few seconds and becomes embedded in your lungs which causes scar tissue and all manner of nasty effects.
Think about this logically too, that big Pharma and big Tobacco are really really keen in finding some reason to scare us all into not using e-cigs and so this myth goes round and round and round but is there any research showing this? Is there proven fact showing this?
Do you think, say the British government who want to close down e-cigs or some of the US state governments who are fairly rabid anti-ecigs would not seize on something like this? Big pharma are looking at 100's of billions of dollars of NRT product market going down the tube, they really fear the e-cig and they will do anything to protect their profits too.
Back on topic, I love my 3.1ES, I prefer it to the lite or plus but bear in mind it is a touch heavier and I had to put another magnet in my nemmy tonite as it kept firing it off hehe
FT's Rocket is bascially a 3.1 with fancy tubing rings but I was messing about and all parts interchange quite nicely with plus and 3.1 flavours of Kayfun.
I've worked with metals on and off all my life, I spent my young teenage years working in my uncle's scrapyard cutting up brass, copper, kryptonite, doesnotexistium etc etc and I don't have any signs or features of metal fume fatigue nor lead poisoning, a British scrap yards bread and butter is brass, copper and lead and I have handled all in all weathers, cut up with torches, no masks in them days...
Seriously folks, you have more chance of health hazard from poor chrome plating than any brass in your atty, that iddy diddy coil o' wire is NEVER going to get hot enough to even melt lead let alone melt a metal that is a much higher melting point, 6-700 degrees minimum to make brass sweat.
How much lead do you think poor quality "pig" brass would have in a small atomiser sized unit? I doubt you could even find a gram overall and "pig" brass is called that because its pretty rough, pitty, poor machining and casting quality, those shiny looking things we get from China are almost certainly not an inferior grade because even a modicum of lead in there would cause electroplating issues, you can tell chromed pig brass by the pitting, dimples and holes.
This has become an urban myth, go read up on MFF and read how you have to inhale those molten droplets of metals every day for decades, this isn't warm metal or wet metal but molten particulates that are given off in burning fumes, the metal is actually burning for a few seconds and becomes embedded in your lungs which causes scar tissue and all manner of nasty effects.
Think about this logically too, that big Pharma and big Tobacco are really really keen in finding some reason to scare us all into not using e-cigs and so this myth goes round and round and round but is there any research showing this? Is there proven fact showing this?
Do you think, say the British government who want to close down e-cigs or some of the US state governments who are fairly rabid anti-ecigs would not seize on something like this? Big pharma are looking at 100's of billions of dollars of NRT product market going down the tube, they really fear the e-cig and they will do anything to protect their profits too.
Back on topic, I love my 3.1ES, I prefer it to the lite or plus but bear in mind it is a touch heavier and I had to put another magnet in my nemmy tonite as it kept firing it off hehe
FT's Rocket is bascially a 3.1 with fancy tubing rings but I was messing about and all parts interchange quite nicely with plus and 3.1 flavours of Kayfun.
Kryptonite is only dangerous if you're from Krypton. Although some sources have claimed that the radioactive properties of it may pose a threat to humans as well
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PS @trentenmarschel : you have an adorable little pooch there. I'm sure she'll be good as gold post-op. Don't fret.
thanks very much she had a bad night last night i put her outside on her cable in my new apartment for the first time because it was nice out and she kept whining to go outside so she wanted to run around and play so i set up her cable and opened the window so i could keep an eye on her. she was out for about an hour and was running around but she got overly excited and started eating the grass and leaves and anything else she could find which i didn't know until later. but she came back inside and was making puking sounds she ended up puking like 7 times and all night she was dryheaving. poor baby i was giving her ice cubes to chew on because she wouldn't drink water and changed the blankets on my bed so that if she did puke on them it wouldn't be a big deal. but today i just gave her a small amount of dog food and she started making those sounds again so i think imma only give her water the rest of the day till she gets all the rest of the stuff out of her system.
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