Kayfun Models vs. Russian 91% models.. (Airflow)?

[ph0kused]

You might give the Aqua atomizer a look mine is in the mail so I cant say how good or how bad but it has the features you are looking for.

The Aqua looks verrrryyy interesting. I love UVO - I got my Turtleship mod from UVO... actually purchased it at VapeRev in Cerritos, CA - but still, UVO puts out good stuff.

A question about the Aqua... Those 4 holes at the top - are those airflow control holes? The look much bigger than the R91 & the KFL & KF3.1

Unfortunately it does not look to have a clear/frosted window to see your juice level... that's a bummer, and a very nice feature on the R91 & Kayfuns.

It is also on the steep side for price, but price is irrelevant to me. I'll spend whatever on vaping. In my mind it's all for a good cause, so dropping $200.00 + on an atomizer, mod, whatever is for a good reason, that's how i justify it at least, as long as I'm not buying analogs - it's all good to splurge on stuff

Buzzlove ~ Do you know any other places to buy one of those Aquas? I may buy it right now strictly becuase all the other ones are out of stock, the r91% and all of the other kayfuns

 

[SissySpike]

The Aqua looks verrrryyy interesting. I love UVO - I got my Turtleship mod from UVO... actually purchased it at VapeRev in Cerritos, CA - but still, UVO puts out good stuff.

A question about the Aqua... Those 4 holes at the top - are those airflow control holes? The look much bigger than the R91 & the KFL & KF3.1

Unfortunately it does not look to have a clear/frosted window to see your juice level... that's a bummer, and a very nice feature on the R91 & Kayfuns.

It is also on the steep side for price, but price is irrelevant to me. I'll spend whatever on vaping. In my mind it's all for a good cause, so dropping $200.00 + on an atomizer, mod, whatever is for a good reason, that's how i justify it at least, as long as I'm not buying analogs - it's all good to splurge on stuff

Buzzlove ~ Do you know any other places to buy one of those Aquas? I may buy it right now strictly becuase all the other ones are out of stock, the r91% and all of the other kayfuns

I pmed you a shop fairy close to you that has some in stalk.

 

[ph0kused]

I pmed you a shop fairy close to you that has some in stalk.

Thanks !!

I'm friends with a few people there, didn't even think to call them up. Good lookin out!

 

[alangoooo]

On my omega atomizer with adjustable airflow, I have both of the air holes open completely, I think these are 1/8th holes each?
I was thinking of picking up a Kayfunlite Plus on Friday... and selling my Omega, but honestly I wish I knew someone who had the plus that I could try because I also like really big airholes for the air flow, I'm a lung hitter.

If anyone has an Omega and also the KFL+, can you tell me what adjustment you have on your Omega that would match the KFL+ at the most open adjustment?

Thanks

 

[ph0kused]

On my omega atomizer with adjustable airflow, I have both of the air holes open completely, I think these are 1/8th holes each?
I was thinking of picking up a Kayfunlite Plus on Friday... and selling my Omega, but honestly I wish I knew someone who had the plus that I could try because I also like really big airholes for the air flow, I'm a lung hitter.

If anyone has an Omega and also the KFL+, can you tell me what adjustment you have on your Omega that would match the KFL+ at the most open adjustment?

Thanks

I have an omega... it just sits... dont use it anymore

I'm not a fan of the way you have to wrap the kanthal around the posts, and I also hate how the airflow holes are on the bottom of the device, the airholes are where the juice-well should be...

It ends up flooding all the time... Then I saw the American version of the Nimb us, the patriot. The Patriot RDA is now my everyday RDA.

Not to get off topic, but I bought the omega because it looked so damn sexay! the concept of bottom airflow was a cool concept, but all they needed was like 2mm deeper of a juice well, and that RDA would be KILLER! oh yea, and get normal posts where you feed the wire through the hole rather than wrap around the posts.

 

[alangoooo]

haha I had the Patriot before my Omega and I must say it was pretty legit, but I just liked the adjustable airflow and the way the Omega looked and matched on my mod Building coils my first time on the Omega was definitely a pain in the ...... but after 2 or so more builds I got it down and it takes a few seconds only to wrap it around the posts.

I'm still debating if I should sell my Omega for a KFL, really want a tank so I don't have to keep dripping.

I have an omega... it just sits... dont use it anymore

I'm not a fan of the way you have to wrap the kanthal around the posts, and I also hate how the airflow holes are on the bottom of the device, the airholes are where the juice-well should be...

It ends up flooding all the time... Then I saw the American version of the Nimb us, the patriot. The Patriot RDA is now my everyday RDA.

Not to get off topic, but I bought the omega because it looked so damn sexay! the concept of bottom airflow was a cool concept, but all they needed was like 2mm deeper of a juice well, and that RDA would be KILLER! oh yea, and get normal posts where you feed the wire through the hole rather than wrap around the posts.

 

[ph0kused]

haha I had the Patriot before my Omega and I must say it was pretty legit, but I just liked the adjustable airflow and the way the Omega looked and matched on my mod Building coils my first time on the Omega was definitely a pain in the ...... but after 2 or so more builds I got it down and it takes a few seconds only to wrap it around the posts.

I'm still debating if I should sell my Omega for a KFL, really want a tank so I don't have to keep dripping.

It wasn't the build that annoyed me with the omega, it's the adjustable airflow holes that allow juice to drip out of the atty because the holes are below the coils. All they needed to do was put a juice well down there and that atty would rock!

I also bought it because it matched my mod!

I could really careless about having "adjustable" i always take mine to my local vape shop and dremmel out holes the exact size I want... here are the holes in my Patriot (3/32) (2.38mm)



one hole on each side of the cap.

I know the KFL / Russian 91% will be much more restrictive compared to my normal devices. But I've heard the flavor off a Russian 91%/KFL/KF3.1 are much better than most attys, and it's good to use 100% cotton, keep'em soaked since they have that 4ml juice tank, which is why I want one!!! I love dripping atty's and my dual coil sub 1.0ohm builds, but sometimes I just wanna vape and not re-drip... like on the golf course, or in the car!

Sometimes having to re-drip an atty on the freeway in southern California can be dangerous! I've almost gotten in a few accidents because of that, and I almost got in one the other day because I blew a cloud and basically tossed a vapor grenade in my car and was temporarily blinded for 2 seconds lol... Blow the vapor out the window! it was kind of scary, but I lol'ed at the same time... try to explain that one to the car insurance people

 

[alangoooo]

It wasn't the build that annoyed me with the omega, it's the adjustable airflow holes that allow juice to drip out of the atty because the holes are below the coils. All they needed to do was put a juice well down there and that atty would rock!

I also bought it because it matched my mod!

I could really careless about having "adjustable" i always take mine to my local vape shop and dremmel out holes the exact size I want... here are the holes in my Patriot (3/32) (2.38mm)

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one hole on each side of the cap.

I know the KFL / Russian 91% will be much more restrictive compared to my normal devices. But I've heard the flavor off a Russian 91%/KFL/KF3.1 are much better than most attys, and it's good to use 100% cotton, keep'em soaked since they have that 4ml juice tank, which is why I want one!!! I love dripping atty's and my dual coil sub 1.0ohm builds, but sometimes I just wanna vape and not re-drip... like on the golf course, or in the car!

Sometimes having to re-drip an atty on the freeway in southern California can be dangerous! I've almost gotten in a few accidents because of that, and I almost got in one the other day because I blew a cloud and basically tossed a vapor grenade in my car and was temporarily blinded for 2 seconds lol... Blow the vapor out the window! it was kind of scary, but I lol'ed at the same time... try to explain that one to the car insurance people

I know exactly what you mean, if I could take a picture in would, but my atty is often times wet and I have to wipe it dry, but it's alright. and that's the exact same reason I want a kayfun :9

 

[JollyRogers]

I'm a lung hitter, typically. I run a Patriot w/ duals on a Nemmy, but use a VaperV2 when out typically. He Vaper has dual air holes also, and run them wide open usually. So I happened to pick up a Kayfun Lite clone yesterday to try. Initially didn't like it, running a 10wrap 28g 1ohm "micro" with cotton wick. Draw was to tight for me to lung hit, then on a whim, removed he adjustment screw. Almost there, still a little tight, but I can lung hit at will now.

 

[Bern Diesel]

I recently recieved my 91% from an August group buy and was able to set it up and compare side by side with the Plus. Both with the same 0.8, 6 wrap kanthal micros with cotton and same Vanilla Custard ejuice. The 91 has an airier draw and adjustable post. Both still have the afc screws in but opened up to the max. But the flavor just doesn't seem to be on par with the Plus. Am I the only one experiencing this?

 

[ph0kused]

I recently recieved my 91% from an August group buy and was able to set it up and compare side by side with the Plus. Both with the same 0.8, 6 wrap kanthal micros with cotton and same Vanilla Custard ejuice. The 91 has an airier draw and adjustable post. Both still have the afc screws in but opened up to the max. But the flavor just doesn't seem to be on par with the Plus. Am I the only one experiencing this?

When you say the flavor doesn't seem to be on par with the KF... are you saying it's way off, or are you splitting hairs?

I don't see how it would be possible to get a dramatically different taste out of those 2 devices, seeing how the design is almost identical.

I'd be totally willing to sacrifice some flavor for an airy draw... that's the only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger on a clone. I don't dig clones, I always try and buy the OG model. Just got a Kraken original, I love it. Tough to build, but once you get it down, it's by far my best genesis atty I have in my arsenal, and I have about 6 different genny attys.

I'm not sure who out there in ECF land would be able to answer this, but out of all devices, which has the most wide open, airy draw?

1.) Kayfun Lite
2.) Russian 91%
3.) Kayfun 3.1

?

 

[Bern Diesel]

I figured it out. It was the airier draw on the 91% when afc is wide open on both (screw still in). The more airy, the less flavor depending on build. I'm more of a flavor guy and don't build these kind of tanks below 0.8 ohms. It's just not necessary. I never needed an airy draw from my cigs or, back in the day, "water pipes" or pipes or papers so I don't really need that with my vapes. I don't think anyone required an airy draw with any of those things when smoking, lol.

Drippers are more suited for airy draws if that's needed but even on my drippers I don't usually drill em out super big either. Then again, I don't build those below 0.4-0.5 ohms either. I'm also an old man who don't really care about having huge clouds, lol. I just want it to taste good and don't wanna go back to cigs. But my clouds are pretty good though anyway.

Btw, out of that list the 3.1 has the airiest draw, then the 91%, then the Plus. All 3 are even airier with the afc screw removed, but the flavor suffers a little

 

[sahsah]

The Kayfun Lite ($110 at VapeRev) has a non adjustable fixed air hole that is airy and quite possibly very close to what you are looking for. I personally love both of mine with a micro coil and cotton wick setup. The Russian 91% is basically the clone of the KFL, costs about the same, but it does feature an adjustable airflow and a juice fill port. The difference between the Kayfun and the Kayfun Lite is external finish (brushed, polished and matte for the regular, the Lite only comes in one finish), the regular has a juice fill port (somewhat fiddly), the regular has an airflow adjustment and a 4ml capacity for the Lite vs. a 5ml capacity for the regular ($175 for the regular Kayfun).

For my money I really love my Kayfun Lites.

I own several Russians and kayfuns, I can tell you for certain that it is absolutely not even close to what he's looking for. The kayfun, kayfun lite and KFl+ have airflow up to 1.5/1.6 mm. At their most open, and that's a single airflow hole, he's looking for almost four times that lol
i can tell you that the russian and russian 91%(my personal favorite out of all the rba's from both companies) have slightly more airflow then the kayfuns. I believe they're around 1.7/1.8 mm. With the AFC screw taken out of the Russians they are more than capable of doing very good lung hits. Hope that helped, Keep on vaping all you cloud-chasing cowboys (and cowgirls)

 

[sahsah]

When you say the flavor doesn't seem to be on par with the KF... are you saying it's way off, or are you splitting hairs?

I don't see how it would be possible to get a dramatically different taste out of those 2 devices, seeing how the design is almost identical.

I'd be totally willing to sacrifice some flavor for an airy draw... that's the only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger on a clone. I don't dig clones, I always try and buy the OG model. Just got a Kraken original, I love it. Tough to build, but once you get it down, it's by far my best genesis atty I have in my arsenal, and I have about 6 different genny attys.

I'm not sure who out there in ECF land would be able to answer this, but out of all devices, which has the most wide open, airy draw?

1.) Kayfun Lite
2.) Russian 91%
3.) Kayfun 3.1

?

I can answer that since I own all of them, even though I just wrote this in my last reply (the comment right above) I'll write this so that you definitely see it, because I know what it's like to buy the wrong device and it's no fun, so hopefully this helps. The russian and russian 91% definitely have the option of more airflow than any of the kayfuns! even with my kayfun lite plus v2 with the AFC screw taken completely out, the airflow still feels a bit too tight and constricted, even tighter than my Russians with the airflow just level with the outside of the device(and I'm talking about tight even for just mouth to lung hits. Conversely, with the Russians if you take the AFC screw out, it's wide open enough to even do lung inhales and pretty comfortably, when you're in the mood for them, so I really love that versatility and range, which makes the Russians, and specifically the 91% my easy choice for ultimate rebuildable. Just make sure, and this is crucial, not to get the russian 91% v2 because they incorporated this stupid spring loaded 510 connection, which results in the positive terminal being eternally unable to be tightened down securely. Trust me. Hope that helped, Keep on vaping all you cloud-chasing cowboys (and cowgirls) =]

 

[D. Waterhouse]

In a side by side test performed at 8:08 AM CST my Kayfun 3.1 clone with the airflow wide open has a slightly tighter draw than an Igo S with a 1/16" airhole, totally lung hit capable.

 

[CNCguy11]

I'm a lung hitter as well. I drip with dual 5/64" (just shy of 2mm per hole) so you could say I like an airy draw lol. Like some other people have posted, it takes a bit to get used to the air flow on the russian, but as for me I've come to thoroughly enjoy it. I actually don't even have it screwed out all of the way (open airflow), I have it a couple turns in from flush (slightly tighter airflow.) I figure its a fair trade off--Slightly tighter airflow but with the flavor comparable to that of a dripper, but with the convenience of a tank. Just my

 

[Vwls]

Just a suggestion here for my fellow lung hitters/airy draw vapers. Try the 3D by Atmomixani - you'll get the Tank on a Dripper experience you're looking for. You can even drill out the airhole(s) to 3/32 or whatever you like. Flavor is great - it's a Dripper in every way. Although it holds less juice in reserve than the Kayfun style atties it by far out-performs them for lung hits and air flow, so totally worth a fill midday if you're a heavy vaper.

Here's a review from a die hard lung hitter: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eview-3d-dimmis-dream-dripper-atmomixani.html

 

[ph0kused]

I can answer that since I own all of them, even though I just wrote this in my last reply (the comment right above) I'll write this so that you definitely see it, because I know what it's like to buy the wrong device and it's no fun, so hopefully this helps. The russian and russian 91% definitely have the option of more airflow than any of the kayfuns! even with my kayfun lite plus v2 with the AFC screw taken completely out, the airflow still feels a bit too tight and constricted, even tighter than my Russians with the airflow just level with the outside of the device(and I'm talking about tight even for just mouth to lung hits. Conversely, with the Russians if you take the AFC screw out, it's wide open enough to even do lung inhales and pretty comfortably, when you're in the mood for them, so I really love that versatility and range, which makes the Russians, and specifically the 91% my easy choice for ultimate rebuildable. Just make sure, and this is crucial, not to get the russian 91% v2 because they incorporated this stupid spring loaded 510 connection, which results in the positive terminal being eternally unable to be tightened down securely. Trust me. Hope that helped, Keep on vaping all you cloud-chasing cowboys (and cowgirls) =]

It's been awhile since I wrote the original post, so now here's what I have... Aqua Fotoon, Kayfun 3.1, Kayfun Lite+, soon to get a russian.

The aqua fotoon is the airiest out of the 3 RBA's, you can open it up to where it feels like you're sucking through a straw, very little resistance, and the nice thing is that you can build dual coils, it has native dual coil posts, 3 of them...like a dripper. The downside is it's a little tricky to get used to the build, even though I figured it out first go...but some people struggle with it I'm told... The main reason why I still go to the more restrictive Kayfuns is because of the Aqua's juice control, crappy design IMO. Twisting the tank and relying on o-rungs to keep a good seal is always a bad idea... 3 months usage the o-ring will start wearing out and leaking.

As for the russian, I'm still on the fence about it, if I can find the original (not a clone) for cheap, I'll buy it, and by cheap I mean $80.00. I'm not expecting to find a real russian for cheaper than that. One really nice thing I like about my kayfuns, that I'm not sure if the russian can do, is the kayfun's after market tank you can buy, the "M-Tank"...

Link from vape rev...

Vaperev Shop - Kayfun Tall M-Tank Transparent

I'd be more stoked to buy a Russian if I knew some polycarbonate tank extension was available for it... ever since I added the "m-tank" to my kayfun and replaced the old little plastic window, I've been so happy with it... being able to really see the juice levels, and being able to fill up 1-work-day's amount of juice.

 

[Bunnykiller]

the issue with the 3.1 and R91 is the positve pin air tube dia., that is the bottleneck in the airflow. Unfortunately it cant be drilled out without compromising the integrity of the +pin/tube.
I also have an RSST drilled to 1/10" and it is alot more breathable ( lung hittable) than the 3.1 or R91.

 

[Bowtecha]

Just my opinion here but the Russian 91% with the airflow screw removed produces great flavor and great vapor, and I'm a lung hitter as well, and I'd be willing to bet you could drill the airflow channel out a little bit.

Btw I'm running a K101 clone with a 1.2 ohm micro coil, 28 g kanthal build. (Single coil)

Either that or I'm running it on a sigelli 20 at about 11.5-12 watts