KR808 (V4L) vs. Ego-T.....I have issues.

[vermonter16]

I'm sure this has been beaten to death but....last year I spent awhile researching what I was looking for in an ecig and wound up with the KR808s from V4L. I vaped a lot and then got away from it (I wasn't committed). Well - now I'm back to give it another go. I dragged out my batteries and my carts and started charging....and realized that I had some issues.... The issues being:

The battery life sucks....I even get the XL batteries and they just don't last long enough. I have spent a lot of money on batteries just to have one handy and I didn't even vape that much so it was just downright annoying. So - when I did vape a lot like on the weekends I'd have to carry multiple batteries.

Is it me, the carts, or the batteries. At first the carts might taste great....and then quickly they seem to lose their flavor or amount of vape produced. I'm tired of that too.

I don't want a lot of hassle which is the reason I went with the V4L in the first place. But now I've got a ton of batteries, a ton of carts - used, new, almost empty? I don't even know anymore.

So - I was looking at the Joye Ego-T....what are your thoughts? Is it difficult to use? Am I going to kill it?

 

[K24A3]

V4L is good to start out with, but as you said, the standard KR808D batteries don't last long, and since there is filler in their carto's, the tend to clog up and produce less and less vapor. You can clean the carto's but it's a lot of hassle and they will never be as good as new.

So basically you need two things:

1) A bigger battery. An eGo-T 1000mAh will last about 3 times longer than the KR's. Or if you want battery that will literally last all day, you will need to upgrade to a Mod. I use a Mako Midi with takes a 14500 (AA size) battery which easily lasts a full day. Just make sure you buy a decent brand of battery such as AW. The cheap ones such as TrustFire won't last as long. Have a look at this Mod list for something that takes a 14500 (I don't recommend a smaller size battery since they won't last a full day) : Battery Tube e-Cig Mods | e-Cigarette Mods Database


2) Better carto's. Some options~

- RoyalSmoker Edition2 Cartomizer: No filler material so they can last months with little performance drop if you use clear juice. They perform waaaay better than standard KR808 carto's, but they can be a pain to refill.

- G4 Cartomizer: No filler material so they should last months. They perform better than standard carto's but not quite as good as the Edition2. However the G4 is extremely quick and easy to refill. I'm talking 5 seconds per cart. No burning, no messing around with spinning, waiting for the liquid to absorb. Hopefully they will release lower ohm G4's to improve the performance, but they are good enough for me for the time being.

- Other filler based carto's: They won't last as long as the two non-filler carto's above, but some of them perform quite well. The new Dual Coil carto's seem to be the pick of the bunch at the moment. I haven't tried them myself.

You could also go for Atty-based cartridges but it sounds like you prefer the convenience of cartomizers.

Stepping up from V4L, I think the G4's should suite your needs. A mate of mine stepped up from V4L to the 510 G4's with a 510 eGo-T and found them to be a huge improvement. So much so that he just bought more packs of G4's.

..forgot to mention, you won't kill the eGo, it's basically a thicker V4L battery with a 510 thread.

 

[vermonter16]

I'm going to print off what you said (ahemm....I'm at work) and read it over. I like your suggestions. I just want to do this right this time. Last year, I knew I would still smoke analogs even with having the ecig....it was my excuse to keep smoking. But - I don't want to smoke anymore. And I know I'm not satisfied with what I have....

 

[K24A3]

Ok no worries.

Ditching KR808 equipment and moving on to 510 equipment is a good move since 510 is the most popular thread type. Can't go wrong really.

 

[vermonter16]

I'm intrigued with the G4 cartomizers....those sound what I'm looking for although the other ones sound a lot better - I still need something 'easy' right now.

Ok - so....what is essentially my first step? 510 G4s and a 510 ego-T? I guess I'll have to go do a search and see exactly what I'm looking at. I'm a bit challenged when it comes to this stuff. Only because you through the G4s into the mix.

One more thing.....I don't want to say that the KR808s are bad by any means....I got my friend on them and that's all her and her husband use and they love it. But...I'm missing something....definitely missing something.

 

[K24A3]

Ok I'll have a quick look for you..

G4 Carto (make sure you get the 510 ones, not 901):
http://heavyvapor.com/product.php?id_product=139
http://www.avidvaper.com/products/G4-Cartomizer.html
http://www.liberty-flights.com/product.asp?id=96


eGo-T:
eGo equipment http://heavyvapor.com/category.php?id_category=5
...Grab the 1000mah ego-t battery and the ego USB Charger. Or get the starter kit if you wish.
Google for "ego-t" for more results based on your location.
I'm not sure about the standard eGo (I think the ego-t is a newer design), but the eGo-T is a good choice.

Edition2:
http://www.royalsmokers.com/Cartomizer.html
.. I can't really recommend the Edition2 since you are after something easy. You need to use a syringe or remove the inner caps, and are quite time consuming.
The G4's are very hassle free and are a good jump from V4L. Just pop the cap and fill straight from the bottle, then put the cap on.

The standard KR's are great for beginners since they dont know any better, but after a while their weaknesses surface then it's time to move on.
Note that the Edition2 and G4 also come in a KR808/901 thread (as opposed to a 510 thread), so you can stick to your V4L batteries if you really want to.

 

[uba egar320]

Ok no worries.

Ditching KR808 equipment and moving on to 510 equipment is a good move since 510 is the most popular thread type. Can't go wrong really.

Have to disagree. Carto's are way less hassle than atty's. I was firmly in the atty\dripping club for almost a year. They are just to hit and miss for me. I love my 808's but I feel your pain with battery life. You should really try a bigger battery like suggested, but I'd stay with the 808's, or a carto if I were you. Maybe give the IGO a look at NHaler • Smoking Alternatives It has a monster carto that works well, and has regular 808 threads on it. I really like the Bloog style cartos on it as well. The picig is another option, but I've never used it so I can't really comment on it. It's true that 510's are hugely popular. There is no doubt about it. But carto's are just much easier to use imo.

 

[K24A3]

Have to disagree. Carto's are way less hassle than atty's. I was firmly in the atty\dripping club for almost a year. They are just to hit and miss for me. I love my 808's but I feel your pain with battery life. You should really try a bigger battery like suggested, but I'd stay with the 808's, or a carto if I were you. Maybe give the IGO a look at NHaler • Smoking Alternatives It has a monster carto that works well, and has regular 808 threads on it. I really like the Bloog style cartos on it as well. The picig is another option, but I've never used it so I can't really comment on it. It's true that 510's are hugely popular. There is no doubt about it. But carto's are just much easier to use imo.

The 510 is just a thread type, you can get all kinds of cartomizers for 510 batteries such as the eGo-T.

Both the Edition2 and G4 come in 510 threads.

 

[uba egar320]

The 510 is just a thread type, you can get all kinds of cartomizers for 510 batteries such as the eGo-T.

Both the Edition2 and G4 come in 510 threads.

Very true also. I was just pointing out that I've kinda moved back to 808's after going through quite a few bigger batteries that used attys. And since he was talking about the egot, I thought I'd just drop my 2cents on atty's compared to cartos. Sorry about the confusion.

 

[Glam]

I agree with the above. After trying several set ups, I always keep going back to cartos. And the first thing I do is remove the end cap, throw it away and replace with a drip tip. Then when I refill, pull off the drip tip and fill a condum 1/2 full and insert the battery end into the condum--push down gently until you see the filler is saturated. Pull gently out of the condum, blow through the battery end until center hole is clear. Ready to vape. Using this method, I can reuse a carto (with close to chain vaping)for several days before loss of taste. Give this a try--it certainly has worked well for me.

 

[K24A3]

Very true also. I was just pointing out that I've kinda moved back to 808's after going through quite a few bigger batteries that used attys. And since he was talking about the egot, I thought I'd just drop my 2cents on atty's compared to cartos. Sorry about the confusion.

I'm a cartomizer person myself, I never found Atties to be great personally.

There is definitely good 808 equipment out there, I was a KR808 user for a year... but at the end of the day it's just a thread type.
The main reason I moved onto 510 threaded equipment is because it's so hard to find new products that have a KR808 thread.
Pretty much everything is 510 dominant these days.

I have a GGTB Mod with a KR808 cap and a 510 cap, both perform the same, but I just have so many more options with the 510 cap.

 

[fray]

It is all a personal preference. I do not like the ce2 cartos, some do, some don't. Tanks work well *most* of the time, but you can get leaks or poor wicking.

If I started vaping today knowing all that I know, I would get 2 1000 mah ego batteries and 2 510-t attys with tanks. The 510-t tanks seem to work better for me than the ego-t.

I take that back, I would have just got reo grand with 2 ohm 510 atomizers if I started vaping today.

 

[uba egar320]

I can understand that. And I would also be interested in trying a 510 carto at some point to see what everyone is talking about. But for now, after all the experiences\struggles I had over the last year and a half with different ecigs, I'm right where I need to be lol(until the next latest and greatest device pops up). Have a good day!

 

[K24A3]

I think there is a bit of confusion when 510 is mentioned. The Joye 510 was an Atomizer-only product for ages, which can be confusing since there are now 510-threaded cartomizers available.

Anyway in my opinion there is not much difference what thread you use (at least with the mods I use).

A 510 threaded Edition2 Carto will perform very similar to a KR808D-1 threaded Edition2 Carto, unless there is a design flaw that affects the airflow.

 

[uba egar320]

By edition 2, are you meaning horizontal coil? Would like to know for future reference.

 

[K24A3]

By edition 2, are you meaning horizontal coil? Would like to know for future reference.

Yes the RoyalSmokers Cartomizer Edition 2 (CE2) http://www.royalsmokers.com/Cartomizer.html
The G4 is also a horizontal design, which is the newer revision of the Vortex Carto produced by Kanger if I'm not mistaken

 

[vermonter16]

You know what? Those CE2s look really nice....hmmmm....

 

[Grandma SJA]

Love my tornado 510's. They last 6 hrs or better, and still have the same batteries a year later. carto's & 510's are what I would say for a new person who is off the little e cigs, will be able to use with ease. Some of the other stuff you need to read so you don't end up spending alot of money on nice stuff, but things you don't want or need.

 

[K24A3]

The main reason I switched from CE2 to G4 is because the CE2 is such a hassle to refill and because the inner ring in the CE2's break so easily (plus the leaking problems), which can put some people off. Especially for people used to standard KR808 carto's.

The G4 is a breath of fresh air, instead of taking ages to refill a CE2, it takes 3-5 seconds to refill a G4.

The G4's perform similar to the CE2's, except that the incoming vapor is cooler because the coil is at the bottom of the carto instead of the top.
I personally prefer warmer vapor, but if you are coming from a standard KR808 carto, you won't notice much temperature difference.
It was trade-off, but I prefer a quick and easy refilling method rather than warm vapor.

If you can't decide, perhaps grab a pack of CE2's and G4's and decide for yourself. Both are compatible with the eGo-T in 510 form.
But you may find that the G4's are simply more convenient in the long run.

 

[swedishfish]

The main reason I switched from CE2 to G4 is because the CE2 is such a hassle to refill and because the inner ring in the CE2's break so easily (plus the leaking problems), which can put some people off. Especially for people used to standard KR808 carto's.

The G4 is a breath of fresh air, instead of taking ages to refill a CE2, it takes 3-5 seconds to refill a G4.

The G4's perform similar to the CE2's, except that the incoming vapor is cooler because the coil is at the bottom of the carto instead of the top.
I personally prefer warmer vapor, but if you are coming from a standard KR808 carto, you won't notice much temperature difference.
It was trade-off, but I prefer a quick and easy refilling method rather than warm vapor.

If you can't decide, perhaps grab a pack of CE2's and G4's and decide for yourself. Both are compatible with the eGo-T in 510 form.
But you may find that the G4's are simply more convenient in the long run.

According to the website, the G4 can only be refilled 3-4 times. Is that true?