KR808D-1 or 510?

[syrianrue]

Hi guys,

I'm in the process of deciding which one of these vaps to get. If anyone has experience with them i would love to hear your thoughts on them.

I know 510 produces more vaps and gives better throat hit, and that the kr cartomizers are more convenient.... but do the cartomizers really do make THAT much of a difference?

for the 510 users... how often do you have to top off? and hwo long does each cart last before you have to refill again?

i hear with the cartomizer. you can fill it up and it would last you for about 1 pack worth of analogs before you would have to refill again.

also, there seems to be a 510 adaptor for the kr808d-1. with the adaptor, do you get the best of both world? the conveniece of kar808d1 cartomizers and the good vaps and throat hit of the 510?


i'm so torn between these two. but i so want to get a e cig asap. i just had an analog and i felt so guilty afterwards, not to mention the bad taste in my mouth lol

 

[raddiver]

for me, i prefer the 510. The taste is smoother and the vapor is there.
The throat hit i dont notice that much(that's never been a big deal for me).

The KR is VERY convenient. But to me the trade is a much harsher taste. Throat hit is very noticible(almost too much. see my comment above about TH)

In fairness to the KR, i have only had it a week and have only tried 4 different flavored cartos. But they are seem equally harsh to me. I have ordered cartos from a few different places and they should be in this week.
Im hoping that the vendor i got the carto's from with my original order just had a bad batch, and what im tasting/feeling is not the norm.

as far as topping off the 510. That depends. On a good day about 5, on a bad day, 15+.
YMMV

And honestly, I wouldnt expect for you to hit your vaping Sweet Spot (VSS) on the first try.
Ive been through 3 so far, and the 510 rates at the top. But for me, the search is not over.
-=RAD=-

 

[syrianrue]

ah i see. it certainly is convenient to have a cartomizers... just carry 2 carts with yo uand you're good for the night.

how about 510 for when you're out? do you have to carry the juice and accessories with you to the bar, club?

also, once you top off.. how long will it last before you have to refill all over again?

 

[cassavetes]

I only have a 510, but I'm looking into a Nebula just because it'd be more convenient when on the go. If you don't mind filling carts and topping off, I'd say the 510.

 

[raddiver]

ah i see. it certainly is convenient to have a cartomizers... just carry 2 carts with yo uand you're good for the night.

how about 510 for when you're out? do you have to carry the juice and accessories with you to the bar, club?

also, once you top off.. how long will it last before you have to refill all over again?

I'll admit it, a 3 piece is a pain when on the go. I generally carry 2 bats, 2 atty's and a 3 or 6 mil bottle of juice. Females have this much easier. They have a purse for the goodies. its hard finding a convenient carry pouch as a guy.

in regards to topping off, again that depends on how heavy your hitting it. If its 2 or 3 vapes here and there, then you can probably go 2 hours or so.
If you vape alot, then 30ish minutes.
If you're non-stop, ive had to top off in 10.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

for me, i prefer the 510. The taste is smoother and the vapor is there.
The throat hit i dont notice that much(that's never been a big deal for me).

The KR is VERY convenient. But to me the trade is a much harsher taste. Throat hit is very noticible(almost too much. see my comment above about TH)

In fairness to the KR, i have only had it a week and have only tried 4 different flavored cartos. But they are seem equally harsh to me. I have ordered cartos from a few different places and they should be in this week.
Im hoping that the vendor i got the carto's from with my original order just had a bad batch, and what im tasting/feeling is not the norm.

as far as topping off the 510. That depends. On a good day about 5, on a bad day, 15+.
YMMV

And honestly, I wouldnt expect for you to hit your Vaping Sweet Spot (VSS) on the first try.
Ive been through 3 so far, and the 510 rates at the top. But for me, the search is not over.
-=RAD=-

My experience is quite similar to RAD's. My first e-cig was the KR808D-1. Convenient, adequate vapor, strong throat hit, and intense flavor (but with an undertaste that I've never cared for). After two weeks, I switched up to the penstyle, which I love. It hits the big three (vapor/flavor/throat hit) out of the park. The battery life (i.e., puffs before recharging) of both devices is equally good: 280 mAh.

After five months (two weeks ago), I finally broke down and got a 510. It's right up there with the penstyle for me, but for different reasons. The vapor rivals the penstyle (I can't figure out how they do it in such a relatively small device). The flavor is more mellow, but very enjoyable. The throat hit is subdued, which is fine for me for much of my vaping. [I like strong throat hit sometimes.] The battery life is about half of the above: 150 mAH, but this is made up for by: the PCC and the rapid recharge (much faster than those 280 mAh devices). Long before your battery poops out, the one in your PCC will be ready.

The manual switch on the 510 (you do know that there is a button to push on this model, right?) is excellent: much better than the manual versions of the DSE801 (penstyle) or KR801D-1.

BTW, I never use carts (other than with the KR808D-1). I drip (even with an auto battery, which is a no-no). Filling and topping off carts are a pain in the tush.

If you want the best of both worlds (i.e., convenience of cartomizers with the virtues of the 510) - and you can afford it - get a KR808D-1 with GreenCig cartomizers. The vapor is fantastic (as Leaford has attested) and the flavor and throat hit are similar to the 510. As I've been writing this post, I've been switching back and forth between these two models. [NOTE: GreenCig carts only work with auto batteries.]

If you want inexpensive example supplier leads on any of these models, check out the thread link in my signature.

IM(not so H)O

 

[leaford]

If you want the best of both worlds (i.e., convenience of cartomizers with the virtues of the 510) - and you can afford it - get a KR808D-1 with GreenCig cartomizers. The vapor is fantastic (as Leaford has attested) and the flavor and throat hit are similar to the 510.

No, no, no... Don, you already asked me about this before. I said the GreenSmoke is fantastic when paired with a KR808D-1 battery, not GreenCig.

GreenSmoke is a LTv9 type. It has different threads than the KR808D-1, but at least one retailer (ePuffer for sure, and possibly Smoke51 and/or Blooog, but I haven't bought their batts recently to check) switched from LTv9/E9 to the KR808s, and kept their old threading, so you can use their KR808D-1 batts with GreenSmoke cartomizers, or any other LTv9/E9 type. That's the highest vapor producing combination I've ever found. But unfortunately, it's nearly flavorless and has almost no throat kick.

GreenCIG, otoh, produces pretty good vapor, true, but not that extraordinary, about like a penstyle. But it's nearly as tasteless as the LTv9/E9 type, and what taste they had was really unpleasant to me, rather musty or moldy tasting.

I did not like the GreenCig carts one bit, good vapor or not.

 

[Scottbee]

also, there seems to be a 510 adaptor for the kr808d-1. with the adaptor, do you get the best of both world? the conveniece of kar808d1 cartomizers and the good vaps and throat hit of the 510?

Sadly no. There are two different adapters available. One will allow you to use the KR808D-1 cartomizers on your 510 batteries.. and the other will allow you to use the 510 atty and cartridge on your KR808D-1 batteries. Battery capacity aside... when you're done you really are ending up with either a KR808D-1 or a 510.... not a hybrid that delivers the best of both! The magic really isn't in the batteries.

 

[syrianrue]

oh neat!. then i would definetly just get a 510 and get a k808d-1 cartomizer adaptor for it so i can also take it around with me and not worry about topping off in public.

do you have a link to this?

 

[Scottbee]

The 510 ---> KR808D-1 adapter can be gotten from Altsmoke.com

 

[syrianrue]

hmm i dont see it anywhere :\
if it's not too much trouble, would you mind showing it to me?

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

No, no, no... Don, you already asked me about this before. I said the GreenSmoke is fantastic when paired with a KR808D-1 battery, not GreenCig.

GreenSmoke is a LTv9 type. It has different threads than the KR808D-1, but at least one retailer (ePuffer for sure, and possibly Smoke51 and/or Blooog, but I haven't bought their batts recently to check) switched from LTv9/E9 to the KR808s, and kept their old threading, so you can use their KR808D-1 batts with GreenSmoke cartomizers, or any other LTv9/E9 type. That's the highest vapor producing combination I've ever found. But unfortunately, it's nearly flavorless and has almost no throat kick.

GreenCIG, otoh, produces pretty good vapor, true, but not that extraordinary, about like a penstyle. But it's nearly as tasteless as the LTv9/E9 type, and what taste they had was really unpleasant to me, rather musty or moldy tasting.

I did not like the GreenCig carts one bit, good vapor or not.

Leaford,

I deeply apologize for misquoting you ... and for reinforcing the confusion between GreenSmoke and GreenCig! For the record, it was intellectual sloppiness on my part, rather than deliberate deceit (not that the former is much better than the latter).

I just now tracked down the pair of posts (in the "where to find the best 801 attys for the Janty Stick" thread), to which you refer. I submitted my post in the wee hours of the morning (EDT) then went to bed ... and neglected to check in on that thread thereafter, so I missed your prompt reply.

Part of the intellectual sloppiness. The other part has been my assumption that GreenSmoke and GreenCig (by GreenTech) must be the same product, right? [Yes, I know what they say about ...-u-me.]

And I apologize to anyone who has read any other post by me (including my WWV Illustrated Guide) where I have confused the two products and, thereby, inaccurately claimed that Leaford praised the GreenCig.

I will do what I can to correct matters.

Don

 

[Lightgeoduck]

for me, i prefer the 510. The taste is smoother and the vapor is there.
The throat hit i dont notice that much(that's never been a big deal for me).

The KR is VERY convenient. But to me the trade is a much harsher taste. Throat hit is very noticible(almost too much. see my comment above about TH)

In fairness to the KR, i have only had it a week and have only tried 4 different flavored cartos. But they are seem equally harsh to me. I have ordered cartos from a few different places and they should be in this week.
Im hoping that the vendor i got the carto's from with my original order just had a bad batch, and what im tasting/feeling is not the norm.

as far as topping off the 510. That depends. On a good day about 5, on a bad day, 15+.
YMMV

And honestly, I wouldnt expect for you to hit your Vaping Sweet Spot (VSS) on the first try.
Ive been through 3 so far, and the 510 rates at the top. But for me, the search is not over.
-=RAD=-

That is very interesting... I know everyone has different opinions and experiences.... but I really didn't expect someone to say that they had a harsher TH on a cartomizer than a 510... you mentioned that you only taseted a few flavor cartos....but nic level is more of a factor on TH than flavor...

so what was the nic level of the cartos?nic level used on the 510?

also as far as a bad batch of cartos (which is possible) then maybe you are confusing what could be a dry burnt taste (if the dud cartos had no liquid) for harsh throat hit.

I am not doubting your experience and the opinion based off of it, but It would be nice to clear up some of the variables to understand your experience

 

[leaford]

Leaford,

I deeply apologize for misquoting you...
Don

That's quite all right, Don, it happens. And thank you for being a gentleman and owning up.

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

hmm i dont see it anywhere :\
if it's not too much trouble, would you mind showing it to me?

I believe Scottbee was referring to these adapters for using 801 or 901 or KR808D-1 attys with the 510 battery. Not sure why anyone would want to. The 510 batt has the lowest mAh (150) of the bunch (e.g., 801 and KR808D-1 batts are 280 mAh).

Unless you want a really good manual switch battery. The 510 is the best (by a long shot). So I guess the 280 mAh 510 mega battery would make a good manual switch 801 or 901 or KR808D-1. I have been really unimpressed by the manual 801 and KR808D-1 batteries.

NHaler carries an adapter that does it the other way around, i.e., enabling use of the 510 atomizer with KR808D-1 or 901 batteries (but not with 801 batts). That's interesting. I happen to like the KR808D-1 auto batteries.

But the entire 510 package (atty and batt, and with PCC) is tough to beat. These days, I switch back and forth between my manual 510 (and I don't even have a PCC yet) and my auto 801 penstyle. They are each superlative in their own way.

Hmmm... The more I think about that 280 mAh 510 mega battery with Altsmoke's adapter, the more intrigued I get. I love my 801 penstyle atty ... I like the 280 mAh capacity ... and I think the 510 manual switch is excellent. Might make a great penstyle experience. [Although I just looked at photos on the Altsmoke page

The 901 looks good (visualize all black or all silver), but the 801 looks patched together.] Oh well!

 

[DonDaBoomVape]

That's quite all right, Don, it happens. And thank you for being a gentleman and owning up.

I appreciate your understanding, Leaford! [It happens to be very important to me. Unbeknownst to you, you were my primary mentor in this wonderful world of vaping.]

And "gentleman" right back at ya!

 

[Scottbee]

Don,

When I use a KR808D-1 cartomizer on my 510 adapter I almost always am using one of my Mega batteries. Makes for a long PV (especially for me since I put a 901 whistle tip on the end of the carto!)... but it works well.

The primary reason for going this route was to leverage all of the 510 stuff that I already owned.. batteries, chargers, PCC.. etc..