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[Drozd]

Thank you for that information. These can make a lovely addition to the store. I would've never guess what they actually were. I'm sure finding caps wouldn't be so much of a problem, ie. long dripper. The colors and styles they are really nice. I'll put some thought into before asking you.
Ouch on the Tent! It must be worth it though, The tents that I have seen have been like actual apartments! Do you normally go camping?

Oh it's an old style all canvas tent...and it was custom made from drawings I sent...and it's 14' x 21' ......we camp alot in the summer for a medieval reenactment thing I do, alot of weekend long events...including a 2 week long event about an hour outside of pittsburg at the end of july beginning of august

 

[Iken]

Oh it's an old style all canvas tent...and it was custom made from drawings I sent...and it's 14' x 21' ......we camp alot in the summer for a medieval reenactment thing I do, alot of weekend long events...including a 2 week long event about an hour outside of pittsburg at the end of july beginning of august

Oooo I'm such a medieval fan!!! Did you see the previews for the new Clash of the Titans and Russel Crowe's Robin hood??? Oh man, for the past few years I was really big into reading the Wheel of time and the sword of truth series. Thats just so cool and exciting that you actually get involved! I been hunting for those themed restaurants since I was born! no luck though

Wow your having your own tent made based on your drawings?! That's amazing. Seeing your picture has artistry written all over it. Can you upload your tent drawing? I would really love to see how it turned out.

 

[Drozd]

Oooo I'm such a medieval fan!!! Did you see the previews for the new Clash of the Titans and Russel Crowe's Robin hood??? Oh man, for the past few years I was really big into reading the Wheel of time and the sword of truth series. Thats just so cool and exciting that you actually get involved! I been hunting for those themed restaurants since I was born! no luck though

Wow your having your own tent made based on your drawings?! That's amazing. Seeing your picture has artistry written all over it. Can you upload your tent drawing? I would really love to see how it turned out.

I don't have it yet as I'm still paying on it but it came from a company called panther primatives ...who did all the tentage for movies like hidalgo and the last samurai and dances with wolves...I actually took features from like 3 of their tents in their catalog and had them put them together to get exactly what I wanted..
Yeah what I do is actually belong to a historical educational re-enactment non for profit called the SCA... so we all pick a country and persona from between 600-1600 and try to recreate the clothing and art and stuff...as well as put on armor and fight... every year at the end of july/beginning of august we hold a war at a campground just outside off slippery rock called pennsic... about 12,000- 16,000 people show up on average..and people come from worldwide for it..it's really like one of those medieval resturants or a ren faire on HV..cuz everyone there is partcipating...and well it's a god time for the family really...stuff for all of us to do at a weekend long event and most of the weekend stuff costs us maybe $25 plus some meals for the entire weekend..stuff about the SCA (society for creative anachronism) and Pennsic war are pretty easy to find online if you google it...the medieval times resturants though...one in chicago, like 2 in new jersey, one in flordia, and 2 in cali.. so not all that easy to find...SCA stuff is world wide and chances are more likely than not that theres probably a group local to you...

 

[JamBandPhan]

I got my silver 901 atty's today, and they sure do look slick on the silver laser! They vape really nice too, I am starting to think I may like these more than the 510. I have an abundance of 510 atty's so I won't be ignoring them any time soon, but the 901's sure have a nice smooth, billowing, tasty hit (once you blow out the nasty primer). I think I will be well stocked for the road and festival time this summer, between the new 901s, the 510s and the adapters, extra batteries and PV's that I recently purchased.

 

[JamBandPhan]

oops, double post...

I love my laser!!

 

[Iken]

I got my silver 901 atty's today, and they sure do look slick on the silver laser! They vape really nice too, I am starting to think I may like these more than the 510. I have an abundance of 510 atty's so I won't be ignoring them any time soon, but the 901's sure have a nice smooth, billowing, tasty hit (once you blow out the nasty primer). I think I will be well stocked for the road and festival time this summer, between the new 901s, the 510s and the adapters, extra batteries and PV's that I recently purchased.

Lol Jam, you have been on a roll! Thank you very much!!!

 

[JamBandPhan]

OK, so is there a protected 10440 battery that will fit in the silver laser? Or- is there another model of battery that will fit that is protected? After reading about somebody's chuck exploding in their face (2 unprotected 3v batteries), I am a bit more concerned about using anything unprotected. It just isn't worth getting hurt...

 

[skydragon]

OK, so is there a protected 10440 battery that will fit in the silver laser? Or- is there another model of battery that will fit that is protected? After reading about somebody's chuck exploding in their face (2 unprotected 3v batteries), I am a bit more concerned about using anything unprotected. It just isn't worth getting hurt...

I would like to know this as well.

 

[Iken]

OK, so is there a protected 10440 battery that will fit in the silver laser? Or- is there another model of battery that will fit that is protected? After reading about somebody's chuck exploding in their face (2 unprotected 3v batteries), I am a bit more concerned about using anything unprotected. It just isn't worth getting hurt...

I really hope so Jam, I had my battery order switched to Trustfire's 10440 protected, but I'm hearing that it's not going to fit the silver laser's now. There has been a few reports of explosions lately. The user's that these accidents are happening too have mixed reasonings. The one was using 2 different batteries (cr2 and 1 cr-123a) to achieve high voltage, another was using 2 unprotected batteries, stacked.. And another was using the batteries in the opposite directions! Battery explosions tend to happen when the user is stacking more than battery into a unit. I don't believe that there has been any reports regarding a single battery incident as of yet. You have to keep in mind that most batteries than the one's online are unprotected as it is. Even down to a USB pass-through.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I know the trend seems to be stacking them, or not charging properly, or buying the wrong kind of battery, but it would be nice to be as safe as possible. I heard of people using other batteries that are similar to the 10440 (10450 I think??) not sure about those numbers, might have to back track to see if I can find the postings. I am not having any problems with the blue 10440 that I took out of my PT to use in the laser, I just don't know if it's protected or not, it does not say, but then neither does the gray trustfire that everyone seems to agree that it is protected, but does not say anything on the label indicating that. I am sure the chances of a single battery going bad are slimmer, but if you get a bad atty, or adapter that causes some kind of short, it only takes a couple of seconds for the battery to get hot and vent, which could be bad considering we are holding these things in our hands, close to our faces. I just want to play safely, and help others do the same.

 

[JamBandPhan]

Ultrafire 10440s 500 mah protected are what I use. They fit perfect.

Found this earlier in the thread...

 

[JamBandPhan]

I have a 901 that works great with the 501 adapter. I'm using 10430 500 mah and 10440 360 mah batteries and they work good.

Here's another one...

 

[mpetva]

I believe most of the 10440 & the 10430 are UNPROTECTED!
From everything I've read it is very hard to find a protected one in that size

 

[Electricnut]

I thought the Ultrafires were protected, but maybe I'm wrong. Trying to remember why I thought that. Can't even remember where I bought them now, Isaac thought they were mislabeled.

 

[aspen]

This info has been on the forums but not sure if everyone has seen it or pays attention.
good advice I think from the pirate man.
1) Do have a battery tester. Do use it.
2) Do have many sets of batteries.
3) Do rotate between those sets in order.
4) Do label batteries and keep the sets together.
5) Do swap bottom and top battery position once in a while.
6) Do swap out batteries before they go completely dead
7) DO NOT buy batteries known to suck. (blue CR2's from ebay for example)
8) Do stop vaping if the PV feels warm to the touch.
9) Do throw away batteries showing age or wear, along with their partner in the set.
10) Do throw away batteries that fail on a battery tester.
11) Do remove your atomizer when you put your PV in a pocket no matter WHAT kind it is.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I thought the Ultrafires were protected, but maybe I'm wrong. Trying to remember why I thought that. Can't even remember where I bought them now, Isaac thought they were mislabeled.

I can not find anything but the gray trustfire that is supposed to be protected for the 10440 on line. I tried to put one in my laser and it barely fit, and I did not get any reaction from the atomizer (though I have not tried to charge them yet as I am waiting on my charger to show up) So I decided to try another one, and sure enough the atty is sizzling...so I guess the first one was just dead.

So there you have it. I was able to gently push the end cap onto the positive end of the battery, it was a snug fit but I managed to work it on all the way, then put the negative end of the battery into the laser and got it to close down on the gray 10440 protected Trustfire battery, but again it was a tight fit. I just hope these are really protected, since there is nothing saying it is on the label.

 

[JamBandPhan]

I got my lithium multi-charger today, so I charged up the gray Trustfire bats, one still did not work at all even though it showed that it was fully charged (not sure if it just was not making contact with all that plastic labeling wrapped around the ends or what) so I put the 2nd one in, I tightened the end cap, then suddenly on one of the turns, the atomizer started sizzling, and I was not pressing the button, so I backed the end cap up a turn and it stopped. I am sure it was putting too much pressure on the inside parts where the button lines up, triggering a connection even though the button was not being pressed. Be aware that the size of these gray Trustfire protected batteries is almost too much for the laser. I still got the cap to stay on, and it seems to be working fine now. It can be a potential problem though if you are not careful how tight you put the cap on with these protected batteries. Just wanted to pass this along...

** so I took some advice from another laser mod user and ordered some protected batteries and 10440 specific charger from Janty USA just to be extra safe. I still plan to use the gray Trustfire for now, until the ones from Janty arrive. I am not having any problems with it working, but what I am hoping is the ones from Janty might fit better. If not, then I will just have a few extras laying around for later. I wish AW made 10440 PCB rechargeable.

 

[mpetva]

I got my lithium multi-charger today, so I charged up the gray Trustfire bats, one still did not work at all even though it showed that it was fully charged (not sure if it just was not making contact with all that plastic labeling wrapped around the ends or what) so I put the 2nd one in, I tightened the end cap, then suddenly on one of the turns, the atomizer started sizzling, and I was not pressing the button, so I backed the end cap up a turn and it stopped. I am sure it was putting too much pressure on the inside parts where the button lines up, triggering a connection even though the button was not being pressed. Be aware that the size of these gray Trustfire protected batteries is almost too much for the laser. I still got the cap to stay on, and it seems to be working fine now. It can be a potential problem though if you are not careful how tight you put the cap on with these protected batteries. Just wanted to pass this along...

** so I took some advice from another laser mod user and ordered some protected batteries and 10440 specific charger from Janty USA just to be extra safe. I still plan to use the gray Trustfire for now, until the ones from Janty arrive. I am not having any problems with it working, but what I am hoping is the ones from Janty might fit better. If not, then I will just have a few extras laying around for later. I wish AW made 10440 PCB rechargeable.

Looking at them I don't think the batteries at Janty USA are protected either. They only have a groove at 1 end, not both???? I thought protected ones have two groves, one at each end. Please educate me!
Janty USA - E-CIGAR BATTERY

 

[Iken]

Yes, those are unprotected. Mostly (my guess is All) 10440 that are used in e-cigs are 10430or 10440 both unprotected. The reason why the Trustfires are not fitting in accordingly is because of the pcb (circuit board built under the positive terminal) protection adds just a bit more room than that's needed. UNprotection with a single cell battery is fine. They have been used for decades. Unfortunately I have 40 of these Trustfires coming

 

[JamBandPhan]

Well, as I posted previously, I got the gray protected Trustfire to fit in the laser mod, it was just a really tight fit, and you have to be careful how tight you screw the end cap back on, so it does not force the battery into the switch mechanism, making it to move out of place, causing the atomizer to run continuously with out the button pressed. I wonder if you used a slightly thicker O ring on the end cap, if it would help prevent over tightening the cap to the point of making it push the button housing out of place. Or maybe securing the button mechanism better inside so it won't move so easily?

I contacted Janty, and they said in my email that the batteries they sell are protected, indicated by the p at the end of 10440p listed on the battery label. If this is the case, then the battery I have in my passthrough is protected because it also reads 10440p. The problem I see is when I put the blue battery next to the gray battery, there is obviously NO ciricut installed at the end, so how is this protected? I went ahead and orderd the Janty batteries on good faith that they are not lying to me, but I have some doubts. Until they arrive, I won't be able to compare, and if they are the same as the one in my passthrough, then I am even more confused. Ultimately they need to be protected, and I am getting frustrated with all the confusion about this. I don't understand why the protected ones are not being labled as such (gray Trustfire) and how people can claim the ones that appear to not be protected, as such, simply because there is a p on the lable, and no other evidence of the mechanism. Is there more than one kind of protection on these batteries? I read somewhere that AW uses a different protection method, from my understanding, forcing the + button top to separate from the battery, breaking the connection if the heat or voltage gets beyond a cirtain point (like a fuse popping) instead of relying on a circuit board to monitor the voltage/heat, like on the Trustfire batteries.

I just want to find answers so we can stop going around on this issue, and can't seem to find anything solid.