I've only been vaping about 2 weeks now, using Joye 510. Successfully weaned off of analogs, but experiencing an annoying problem. Every time I drip 2-3 drops or fill a cart (not overfilled, no "pooling") I get juice leaking out of the 4 airholes at the brass ring connecting the atomizer and battery. Didn't notice this problem at first, but now consistently happens when I drip or use a full cart. Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions?
Leakage at connection between atomizer & batt
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Using the original filler that came with the cart. Pulled it out and rinsed it, blotted w/paper towel then dryed. Tried the straw mod in a couple of the carts but that didn't help...
That usually means the atomizer has too much juice in it. My atomizer (I have a 510 too) can usually hold 3 drops if its dry, 4 drops and I get leakage. I don't use carts at this point, pretty much just direct drip on the atomizer.
There might be a defect with your atomizer, do you have a spare that you can try and see if you're still having the problem?
There might be a defect with your atomizer, do you have a spare that you can try and see if you're still having the problem?
Yes, I have a spare atomizer and battery, but they leak as well. On another side note, the spare atomizer had a "thread" hanging out of the bridge that I pulled out (larger diameter than a stray fiber from the original cart filler) and seems to dry out rather quickly, even when I drip. Is this a part of the atomizer intended to hold juice? Also, when you direct drip, do you use a dry or empty cart or just leave off the cart altogether and vape directly from the atomizer?
For dripping I use an empty cart as a mouthpiece, and just drip 2 drops into my 510's atty at a time. While I can get away with 3 at times (if its dry or the juice is thick etc) I find that risking a leak is more trouble to clean up than dripping 2 drops at a time more often.
Something to keep in mind tho, not all drops from all bottles are the same size, so if you find 4 drops leaks, try 3, if 3 leaks sometimes, either risk it for more vapes between drips or just use 2
(posted this for those that use 4 or more drops, the type of atty also affects this, some can take 6+ but not mine)
My atty's only have 2 air holes here, I expect you have a REALLY light drag with the 4 hole type there. As your stock carts seem to be leaking when you refill them, I would suggest getting some stuff to replace that with. If the filler is not tight enough it will leak just from gravity (thinner juices will be most prone to this)
As filling a cart with fluval or polyfill or the tea bag matierial or the blue fish tank filter pads is not an exact science it will require some trial and error to get the right ammount of filler in, while still letting enough fluid wick into the atty to get a good vape. And as I mentioned the thickness/thiness of your juice will affect this also. (Also some stock carts will have less filler than others and be more prone to leaks, not an exact science to be sure!)
I would suggest experimenting with plain PG (THIN juice) and or VG (THICK juice) and different filler types/ammounts to find what works out best for you. This way you wont waste expensive juice while finding the right ammount / type of filler that works best for whatever your vaping.
The best stress test I found is to fill a cart, pop it on the atty and draw on it as hard as you can a few times as that is most often when one will leak for me if the filler is not tightly packed enough in the cart, or is too pourous etc.
As far as the atty itself goes, when you look into it you see the raised bridge, that part is intended to make contact with the filler in a cart and wick juice from the cart, past the bridge and deeper into the atty where it is then heated to make the vapor.
Hope this clears that bit up for you
Something to keep in mind tho, not all drops from all bottles are the same size, so if you find 4 drops leaks, try 3, if 3 leaks sometimes, either risk it for more vapes between drips or just use 2
(posted this for those that use 4 or more drops, the type of atty also affects this, some can take 6+ but not mine)My atty's only have 2 air holes here, I expect you have a REALLY light drag with the 4 hole type there. As your stock carts seem to be leaking when you refill them, I would suggest getting some stuff to replace that with. If the filler is not tight enough it will leak just from gravity (thinner juices will be most prone to this)
As filling a cart with fluval or polyfill or the tea bag matierial or the blue fish tank filter pads is not an exact science it will require some trial and error to get the right ammount of filler in, while still letting enough fluid wick into the atty to get a good vape. And as I mentioned the thickness/thiness of your juice will affect this also. (Also some stock carts will have less filler than others and be more prone to leaks, not an exact science to be sure!)
I would suggest experimenting with plain PG (THIN juice) and or VG (THICK juice) and different filler types/ammounts to find what works out best for you. This way you wont waste expensive juice while finding the right ammount / type of filler that works best for whatever your vaping.
The best stress test I found is to fill a cart, pop it on the atty and draw on it as hard as you can a few times as that is most often when one will leak for me if the filler is not tightly packed enough in the cart, or is too pourous etc.
As far as the atty itself goes, when you look into it you see the raised bridge, that part is intended to make contact with the filler in a cart and wick juice from the cart, past the bridge and deeper into the atty where it is then heated to make the vapor.
Hope this clears that bit up for you
Thanks much for the info NightShadow. I guess it will take some experimenting with to figure out what works best. I'll try the empty cart and 2 drops directly on the atomizer first and see what happens. I kinda like the idea of primarily dripping and not having to mess with refilling the carts anyhow. I'm only a light vaper (5-6x per day) so it's not that much of a hassle to just drip when I feel the urge. Might have to look into the PTB or other filler material for refilling carts. What have you found works best in the 510 carts?
Debra, to answer your question, it is leaking on both attys. But based on the performance of my spare that I pulled the thread from, I'm guessing that I've made a mistake and funked that one up. Time to order another couple of spare attys. At least I still have one that works normally, save the leakage problem...
Yeah, I remember this thread too as it led to me tearing up an atty while experimenting.
From what I remember, pulling this thread out was bad and not recommended.
I find that if I take the filler out to clean it and am rough with it, enough to change its shape and consistency, I too leak. I think keeping the filler in tact as much as possible retains its ability to absorb, and hence, detract leakage. But that's my 2 cents.
Well, the stock stuff that comes in them is not bad to be honest. The main drawback is since its made of little fibers they can singe, get a dark spot where they meet the bridge and end up tasting nasty after a few refills worth. Cleaning does remedy most of the problem, so if you remember to clean them every refill or 2, and they did not leak to begin with by being a fraction too small then they ar are ok.
Stock stuff for my carts was fluval, I have also tried polyfill, which is very similar overall, but perhaps even more fibery to me.
Presently when I must use a filler I am using the blue fish tank filter pads that are not at all fiberous, they are like a loose sponge or well..air filter type deal. This does need to be compressed in a cart or it will leak like a sieve. This seems to hold up to heat better, and not char as easilly as other stuff I have tried. This stuff is VERY springy and does not soak up juice like the other types above that I can never seem to empty.
After direct dripping though I am afraid no filler yet discovered will be as a nice of a vape for you, and you may decide to simply direct drip like I do while at home anyhow.
All any can do is tell you what they like, I would rather say whats out there and encourage some experimentation to find what you like best as you are best qualified to decide that
Stock stuff for my carts was fluval, I have also tried polyfill, which is very similar overall, but perhaps even more fibery to me.
Presently when I must use a filler I am using the blue fish tank filter pads that are not at all fiberous, they are like a loose sponge or well..air filter type deal. This does need to be compressed in a cart or it will leak like a sieve. This seems to hold up to heat better, and not char as easilly as other stuff I have tried. This stuff is VERY springy and does not soak up juice like the other types above that I can never seem to empty.
After direct dripping though I am afraid no filler yet discovered will be as a nice of a vape for you, and you may decide to simply direct drip like I do while at home anyhow.
All any can do is tell you what they like, I would rather say whats out there and encourage some experimentation to find what you like best as you are best qualified to decide that
I did the same thing and killed an atty, just today as a matter of fact. That "thread" is actually the wick. Here's the forum thread that Jim Davis pointed me in the direction to:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-have-crap-but-they-work-better-without.html
Some say it doesn't matter, and some say it does. After I cleaned out an atty this afternoon, it was pretty much worthless. Even with a cart. It was a 2 month old atty but still it had been working strong up until today. As for leaking, I'm gonna have to guess the Atty is flooded. When you take a puff on your 510 does it make a gurgling sound/noise? If so then it's flooded. Best thing to do is blow the atomizer out on a tissue or paper towel until no more juice comes out on it and try again. Hope this helps!
OK, so I just tried direct dripping on the atomizer with 2 drops and no leakage. Must be that the 3 or 4 drops I was using flooded the atomizer resulting in the leakage I described. While I'll have to drip more often to avoid running the atty dry, it is preferable to having to wipe excess juice all the time. Thanks for all the advice! Still have to experiment with other types of filler material for refilling carts, but dripping, as long as it is convenient, seems the way to go for me.
Glad that is working out for you
As cheap as the different filler materials are, you can pretty much try them all and find what you like best, the trick with each is to find the size that wicks well withought leaking for you and your juices. I am fairly sure any filler will be a dryer vape than a direct drip, but there are times when you won't want to drip a lot (driving etc) so having some that works for you is a good idea even if you dont use them a lot.
What juice are you using?
Johnson Creek, eg. is rather thin. But if you're not using ptb (that can cause leakage) or JC juice, then you're likely overfilling and/or overdripping. 2 drops on an atty on refill is enough. Fill the cart to where it is just moist on top - not bubbled. Does your cart fit snug on the atomizer? There were some oversized attys that were causing some problems earlier but it's likely you have one of those unless you bought a used kit.
Another thing would be to clean the threads on both the atty and batt.
Using only 2, maybe 3 drops on a direct drip seems to have solved the leakage problem. Still getting some minor leakage out the end of the cart at times, but I guess I'm probably slightly overfilling them...Now off to find some blue foam or other fish tank filter material. When using foam in the carts, is the straw mod necessary or advisable for better filling?
Don't know what "brand" of juice I have though. Purchased 3 10ml 24mg bottles of varying tobacco flavors from Rocky Mtn. Vapor to see which one or ones I might prefer. I don't know if they make their own or buy from someone else. I cut it down (when I got about 1/3 into the bottle, I refilled w/unflavored 0mg juice from Americas Best Wholesale). Seems it might be a little thin, which may be adding to the leakage problem. Slowly getting the handle on these issues, but they seem to be being resolved thanks to the advice I've received on the ECF boards so far. Thanks again for the help! Almost 3 weeks now and not even a drag from an analog since my last cigarette!
Your RMV juice should be good. As far as the straw mod goes, I'd still use it with anything except I find 801 carts do better with a bottom filler 'needle tip' squeeze bottle, but the physics would still be in play even with the foam - if there is juice on top then the bottom air will stop it from moving down on fill and wicking up on using.
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