Let it Steep? If I'm ordering from a vendor I don't feel I should have to do their job for them!

[MagicMike]

Hello All,

I've read a ton of ejuice threads on various vendors and I see comments about how you should let certain vendors products Steep. I know as a consumer I don't want to purchase something and then put it in a dark place for two weeks before I'm able to enjoy my purchase.

Vendors should be responsible for the steeping process as only they should know the amount of time needed for this process.

How long does a barrel of Jack Daniel's take to mature? Just like with people, a barrel of whiskey doesn't mature with age. It's ready when it's ready. We judge it with a sip.

I hope the ejuice industry will mature quickly and provide customers with products that are ready to consume, as I don't wish to wait 12 years for 12 year old scotch.

Cheers,
MM

 

[pkj]

Here is how I see it, ymmv

If a juice supplier allows the juice to steep in the lab
then
our choices will be limited.

There are many different levels of nicotine and even more choices when it comes to pg / vg ratio. Our juice would be more costly, and our choices would be narrowed.

 

[Chimney34]

A lot of vendors mix their e juice to order. Hence the need to steep. Some vendors give you options like extra flavor shots, pg/vg, & your desired nic level etc... There are some who sell pre steeped juices but not all juice will need to steep but will still continue to get better with time. Some juice may need more or less time to steep. It really all depends on you & your taste as well. you might like it day 1 while someone else might like it better on day 10. I thought this was a little annoying at first but at least I know I'm not getting some juice that sat around for ages waiting for me to buy it. There are several ways that have been discussed on here to speed up the steeping process as well. Now that I've learned what I like I just order it far enough in advance so that by the time I get done with my last bottle it will have steeped for at least a week or 2 depending on the juice.

 

[bnrkwest]

Yes some need steeping, even if you DIY some need to sit to be their best. There are vendors that give their juice bottles a warm bath so they are pre steeped so to speak. High Desert Vapes does that and I never have to let theirs steep, they are great right out of the mail box bnrk

 

[MagicMike]

There are many different levels of nicotine and even more choices when it comes to pg / vg ratio. Our juice would be more costly, and our choices would be narrowed.

Perhaps that can't be accomplished in someone's kitchen, but it's easily accomplished. There are overseas vendors with 200+ flavors and 5 nicotine levels. As far as being less costly it would be JUST the opposite, it's FAR more expensive to create 10 or 20ml's per batch than it would be a 1000ml or 10000ml per batch. In fact when creating larger batches you can be more accurate in measurements as well. So not only would it be cheaper, it would be more consistent on a batch by batch basis.

There are actually vendors that are mixing the juice's into the very 10ml bottle you are receiving, this is a tedious labor intensive process that will be replaced by vendors that can produce fine products and understand the term economy of scale.

MM

 

[MagicMike]

There are several ways that have been discussed on here to speed up the steeping process as well.

The eJuice vendor that wins will learn this, but as a consumer I want to fill my atty and go. Would you pay $150 for a bottle of wine that the vendor claimed would be perfect in 17 years? Not likely.

I have read every post in the Ultrasonic cleaner quick steeping method's version I, II and III. However it's really the eJuice vendors responsibly to learn such stuff if we want to become mainstream and have any chance of the numbers needed to take on big tobacco.

When cars first were invented they were a novelty and you would gladly ride your horse instead of fiddling with such a device, however now they are gas and go. I want to order, fill my tank and vape.

MM

 

[LisaR]

Magic Mike, I understand where you are coming from, but I totally disagree. Personally, I LOVE that I am ordering from small, non-corporate vendors. I appreciate that if I put "extra strawberry, please" in my order comments, the vendors that I order from will do their best to accommodate. I adore the fact that I mentioned to a vendor that his cheesecake flavor was excellent with a little nectarine in it, he put Nectarine Cheesecake on the menu within the hour. But then, I'm also someone who will buy my vegetables at a farmer's market if I can, and I can't think of anything more sublime than meeting the winemaker when I visit a winery. And I have no problem if the wine maker tells me that his wine needs 6 months to a year to mature. (Isn't it fantastic that our juice only needs a week or two?).

I guess there are all kinds of consumers out there, but personally, I am loving being a part of the industry at a time when vendors actually respond to your comments on their threads or websites, and care what we actually think of their products. I don't mind steeping.

 

[Rickajho]

If steeping liquids annoys you that much then I suggest you just step aside and don't buy those liquids. As soon as any given vendor drops from the retail marketplace from failure to secure your business I'm sure we will all hear about it.

 

[KraKsX]

its simple, there are a few companies that are with you, BUY FROM THOSE
i think most of us enjoy how things are now, and are in no rush to have things change

lots taste great out the mailbox, then better after a week
a few REALLY NEED STEEPING (and should say it on web site, because they know it)

you want it pre-steeped, you pay extra for that... I understand that... so should you

or just buy your juice from china

 

[PLANofMAN]

I prefer to have my juice made to order, and here's why. Juice has a limited lifespan. The nicotine is the main organic component and will start to decay, that is why some vendors put an expiration date on their product. Generally, a year is considered the maximum life span for an ejuice..

If you know what you like, then the responsibility to order early enough to allow for steeping falls on you. It's a shame that we live in a world of instant gratification.

 

[MagicMike]

This is a reply to the last three posts, I would like my mom to start vaping* and for vaping to become mainstream before the FDA shuts it down. Juices produced in someones kitchen in a way that can't be quantified by a lab tech in a white coat by the Obama administration lackeys at the FDA is likely or possibly a thing of the past. As a Ron Paul fan I wish it were otherwise, however sadly regulation is part of business in this 'new version of our USA', while my initial post was about Steeping, I believe this is part of an overall maturing of the industry to which I was speaking too.

* My Mom is not going to start vaping, while the industry is providing difficult to use products that require effort to consume, when she's enjoying a product that is light it and enjoy it.

I'm quite likely to move to DIY, however that is for the 1% of the 1% of the ex smokers that are vaping. I'm trying to bring up the larger issue that products should be easy and ready to use.

IF your products are not ready to use and require steeping, then it should be clearly indicated on such product along with your recommended steep times and such.

MM

 

[JusticeKnuckles]

I feel your pain with steeping mm, but in the same breath I've never complained about letting one of favorite cigars sit 3 - 6 months in my humidor just so I can enjoy a mellower smoke with deeper character.

My issue with steeping is that there really doesn't seem to be a clear science about it... Some say warm bath, some say shake once a day and leave the lid off but the nipple on... Some say shake twice a day and never remove the cap... Others say just keep the top and nipple off and forget about it for a while... I would feel better about steeping if I knew how to do it properly.

Steeping can be a pain when you are waiting until your supply runs low/dry before you put in an order... This puts a conflict on the timing where it's like "well I'm out of juice now but I JUST got this stuff and it needs to steep..." If you can get into good habits where you order ahead of time, steeping really doesn't seem all that bad it's only an issue when you are waiting on your juice to steep and you have nothing else to vape... In my humble opinion of course...

I definitely agree with the member that stated his/her love for small vendors who are offering their hand made selections to us but require a bit of steeping. I have no problem with that as long as they offer a truly wonderful product! back to the cigar thing... I would often age a wonderful, expensive cigar in my humidor but would rarely take any stock in aging some cheapo stogie I found in a sampler pack. Goes into vaping for me, I'm happy to steep a great juice that is unique

 

[KraKsX]

I'm quite likely to move to DIY

understand, DIY NEEDS TO STEEP! so that has no issue in the convo

 

[MagicMike]

If you know what you like, then the responsibility to order early enough to allow for steeping falls on you. It's a shame that we live in a world of instant gratification.

I would hope that we wouldn't expect our elderly smokers to become members of ECF, read thousands of posts in order to enjoy the benefits of Vaping!

Keep it simple stupid.

MM

 

[KraKsX]

I would hope that we wouldn't expect our elderly smokers to become members of ECF, read thousands of posts in order to enjoy the benefits of Vaping!

Keep it simple stupid.

MM

lots taste ok without steeping... just better with!

try out TheVaporRoom.net (site talks about steeping) i dont need to steep from them, yet i do leave cap off one day, normally after filling a clearo of it
taste good without the one day, but better the next

one day, dont *****

 

[PhreakySTS9]

Fact: Many juices NEED to steep. Just the way it is. Fact: Many vendors offer dozens upon dozens of juices. Now add all the different nicotine strengths, extra flavor shots, menthol addition, etc. you're looking at thousands of possibilities from some sites. Do you really expect them to make a thousand batches of juice to keep on hand, steeped and ready to go at all times? What if only half of them are even purchased and they end up loosing a bunch of money. NOT trying to be a jerk, just trying to shed some light. Believe me, this horse has been beaten over and over and over, and it's still dead as far as I can tell...

 

[MagicMike]

I feel your pain with steeping mm, but in the same breath I've never complained about letting one of favorite cigars sit 3 - 6 months in my humidor just so I can enjoy a mellower smoke with deeper character.

This goes to vendor expectations! You were prepared to wait, because you had been taught too expect that for the best enjoyment of their product.

However I don't see anyone making recommendations or stating that their products are best 'steeped in a cool dark place for two weeks' before consumption.

AGAIN IF your products are not ready to use and require steeping, then it should be clearly indicated on such product along with your recommended steep times and such.

MM

 

[hairball]

I would rather have mine freshly made, try it out of the box, and make my own decision as to whether or not it needs to steep...I don't want a vendor doing this for me. Plus, you don't know how long it's been sitting on a shelf...no thank you.

 

[Rocketpunk]

There are vendors who sell pre-steeped juice.

Again, not to be a walking commercial, but check out Vaporcast, Smokeless Image, or Altsmoke for pre-steeped Niquid juice. These juices do not require steeping as they have already been steeped.

A google search goes a long way.

 

[Rocketpunk]

One last thing: I think the very thing you're upset with is a very good thing. By whipping up bottles fresh, the vendor is able to cater to their purchaser's tastes. For example, Mount Baker Vapor (is this the vendor you have a beef with?) lets you mix and match any flavor in their repertoire. A buddy mixed peach with lemonade and James (or whoever did it) came up with an excellent ratio that tasted exactly like those pink/yellow peach ring candies.

One last thing and I'll shut up: To quote Yoda, "Patience, for the Jedi it is time to eat as well." Learn patience when it comes to steeping. It's always worth it in the end.

Hello All,

I've read a ton of ejuice threads on various vendors and I see comments about how you should let certain vendors products Steep. I know as a consumer I don't want to purchase something and then put it in a dark place for two weeks before I'm able to enjoy my purchase.

Vendors should be responsible for the steeping process as only they should know the amount of time needed for this process.



I hope the eJuice industry will mature quickly and provide customers with products that are ready to consume, as I don't wish to wait 12 years for 12 year old scotch.

Cheers,
MM