Liberty Stix new in Ohio

[macaddict]

Admin Note
We have been informed that Liberty Stix has been sold and is under new ownership.
Products and prices are different (and 2009 prices are irrelevant in any case).

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I found this company online and wondered if anyone has tried their product. According to the web site they make all the carts in the USA and are registered with the FDA. They are also sold at Discount tobacco in Mentor, OH. So...anyone in the Mentor area tried these?

 

[swoods93631]

$50.00 for 20 prefilled carts... wow, 5.00 for 2 carts.... hmmm not so cheap

 

[Houdini]

Not so cheap is right. Another company saying 1 cart = 1 pack of cigs too.
I got 100 carts for $64 from a China company.

 

[tada1096]

their web page was removed
what does that mean

 

[Houdini]

Liberty Stix

 

[macaddict]

Not so cheap is right. Another company saying 1 cart = 1 pack of cigs too.
I got 100 carts for $64 from a China company.

I'm very new to this so I don't know about pricing except that Bloog carts are 4/$10 so that is about the same. I just thought the key thing here is they are made in the USA. China prices are great but isn't it better to buy carts made here that don't have to get through customs? I got all excited about e-cigs and ordered a Red Dragon and the Vapor King on the same day to get started. I love the Vapor King and the Red Dragon is ok for a night in a bar. I'm hooked on vaping but I can't buy carts for either one right now. I think it would be great if more companies produced right here in the USA

 

[macaddict]

Thanks for the link Houdini. I'm not allowed to do that

 

[kcrlshell]

This appears to be a 2-piece design - like Smoke 51, but they sell separate atomizers in addition to carts and batteries. How does that work?

 

[Terraphon]

it's another sham company IMO

 

[SpamboMan]

I can't post URLs yet, but it's on Newsnet 5.com. An assist on the link would be appreciated. This also has a working link to the Freedom Stix site.

It appears (to this newbie) that this is a rare balanced story on E-cigs.

However, I'm confused about the websites claim about being approved by the FDA though the story mentioned that the FDA hasn't officially acted on E-cigs yet.

Also its funny, that even a newbie like me (a month of vaping) has figured out that E-cigs were invented in China despite the claims on the website to the contrary.

While it's nice to see an American company making and selling E-cigs (sounds like they are still made in China though), this one doesn't pass the smell test.

I'll stick with my NJoy for now.

 

[jamie]

I can't post URLs yet, but it's on Newsnet 5.com. An assist on the link would be appreciated.

It's in the News section.

 

[megan]

I found this company online and wondered if anyone has tried their product. According to the web site they make all the carts in the USA and are registered with the FDA. They are also sold at Discount Tobacco in Mentor, OH. So...anyone in the Mentor area tried these?

Do you know if they sell e-juice at discount tabacco? I'm not far from mentor and it would be worth the trip for that!! I'm tired of waiting for shipments of juice.

megan

 

[SpamboMan]

I've tried this Liberty Stix. The owner is sort of a jerk at first, but once ya get to know him he's a pretty accomodating dude. Told me how he went from his Mom's basement to some huge facility in Cleveland. We chatted a bit. I like his product better than NJoy....mostly because the cartridges are much better in flavor.

He went into great detail about how his company came about.... his atomizer and cartridge, which is FDA Registered, are apparently different than anything else out there....Said he'd take the Pepsi challenge to anyone out there...which made me laugh.

Also said he has a new technology coming out NOT from China in a few months. I am interested to see what he's got cooking...but skeptical cause MOST of the companies are foreign or multi level marketing. He may be on to something with the American cartridge though....my Njoy carts have like a carmelly taste when I try them next to Liberty Stix....

Are there any other American cartridges out there with proprietary formulas...I like LS but would like to try others.... Im a big fan of these things but wanna make sure I have the best one....and if they aren't putting me back $150 that's even better. LS was $30 when I bought it, but now $40.

The new technology sounds interesting!

I'll have to dig around to see about the FDA approval thing.

Thanks for the post.

 

[so2late4me]

I am not sure the FDA would feel the need to regulate ecigs made in the USA. their chief concern seems to be keeping questionably made ecigs and sham companies out. How can we get more us manufacturers involved? We need to gain the support of the non smoking public, as well as smokers. We all want the same thing, To have our rights respected, the freedom to make our own choices(not have others force their choices on us) and clean air. If we work together we will all win.

 

[macaddict]

Do you know if they sell e-juice at discount tabacco? I'm not far from mentor and it would be worth the trip for that!! I'm tired of waiting for shipments of juice.

megan

I don't think they sell juice at all. I only see carts on their web site. I was hoping for the same thing, a local source.

 

[macaddict]

The new technology sounds interesting!

I'll have to dig around to see about the FDA approval thing.

Thanks for the post.

According to the web site, they have registered with the FDA. I don't think that means they have approval. I really don't know what "registered" means. But I will try to keep up with what this company is doing because I like that they are manufacturing in the states.

 

[ozrick]

"FDA registered" just means they've applied to be tested and /or approved by the FDA. In the current climate I'm not sure that's going to happen at the moment. A bit misleading especially when trying to use that to differentiate themselves from the competition. It's this type of wording that got the e-cig market into such trouble around the world. "Safer than a cigarette" now makes the FDA and health organizations around the world HAVE to test these items to make sure the claims are actually true. If they'd just said an "alternative to traditional tobacco" we might all be free to do what we like.

Dumb PR people and bad wording has painted this industry into a corner.

 

[Closet Toker]

"FDA registered" just means they've applied to be tested and /or approved by the FDA. In the current climate I'm not sure that's going to happen at the moment. A bit misleading especially when trying to use that to differentiate themselves from the competition. It's this type of wording that got the e-cig market into such trouble around the world. "Safer than a cigarette" now makes the FDA and health organizations around the world HAVE to test these items to make sure the claims are actually true. If they'd just said an "alternative to traditional tobacco" we might all be free to do what we like.

Dumb PR people and bad wording has painted this industry into a corner.

Yes, they should redo and "Americanize" the claims

 

[Sebastian]

Houdini,
Our cartridge comparison to 3/4 - 1 pack of cigs is based on a mix of the amount of nicotine and the number of puffs. You get your fix after 3-4 drags. No it doesn't have the same number of drags as a traditional pack of cigs, but you certainly can get the equal number of fixes. A cigarette is a finite item, you burn it at one end and you get your fix after 3-4 drags. HOWEVER, because you have already paid for the rest of the cigarette, you smoke it to the .... (also it tastes even worse if you put it out and relight it later).

With Liberty Stix, you don't build into that nicotine addiction if you use our unit properly. You get your fix, put it back in your pocket and whether it's 5 or 50 drags it tastes exactly the same.

Best Regards,
Sebastian
Liberty Stix President

P.S. Our carts are expensive because they are American...Would you rather ingest something from China? Or pay a VERY small amount more for something made in America and extracted from American Tobacco...which basically supports AMERICAN business.

 

[Terraphon]

Thanks for the info....

I called them about the FDA registered thing and they said it is not to be confused with FDA approved...which is why they word it registered with the FDA, it's simply states that "all their cards are on the table for all to see, so if regulation does come down the pike, they are trying to be the most compliant in the industry."

Apparently the owner says that nobody else has been able to get any type of FDA registration...to his knowledge.

I pointed them to this forum and they responded by saying that they don't market Liberty Stix as tobacco cessation, just as a healthier smoking alternative.

I asked about buying juice and their response to THAT is that they have calibrated machines that saturate the cartridges to an optimal saturation point. When the consumers drop juice into their own cartridges, quality control is out of their hands and it can compromise the quality of their brand because of potential 'dropper' incompetence. They said when people oversaturate by filling their own carts, that people sometimes destroy the atomizers....makes sense i guess...

eh, the guy did have responses pretty quickly to each of these questions, I actually wouldn't mind selling their product down in Jacksonville, but he is keeping it restricted to only certain venues because it's not in line with their brand building mission.

I want to see this machine in action. Otherwise, shenanigans.